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Marvel Comics: Captain America's High 1-B shield

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Captain America's shield should have High Hyperverse level durability for taking a hit from Odinforce Thor with only a dent he later hammered out (2003, Avengers Vol 3 #63). This durability is consistent, as the five times it's been broken show:
  1. (1982, Avengers Vol 1 #215) Molecule Man disintegrated it with his High 1-B hax.
  2. (1984, Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars Vol 1 #12) Doctor Doom broke it with the Incomplete Cosmic Cube Beyonder's High 1-B power.
  3. (1991, Infinity Gauntlet Vol 1 #4) Thanos shattered it with the Infinity Gauntlet's Low 1-A power.
  4. (1998, Captain America Vol 3 #13/#21) A High 1-B wish from the Incomplete Cosmic Cube Beyonder's power caused a molecular flaw that shattered the shield via vibranium cancer.
  5. (2011, Fear Itself Vol 1 #5) Cul Borson breaks it with his High 1-B power augmented with humanity's fear.
 
I'm not sure about the feat of surviving being hit by Thor, but I don't think being destroyed in some way by high 1-B powers makes the shield high 1-B.

Universal characters destroying a planet doesn't make the planet universal.

I'm willing to bet surviving the hit from Thor is an outlier, so I'm leaning towards disagreeing, but I will wait to see what others think.
 
Hasty12345 said:
I'm not sure about the feat of surviving being hit by Thor, but I don't think being destroyed in some way by high 1-B powers makes the shield high 1-B.

Universal characters destroying a planet doesn't make the planet universal.

I'm willing to bet surviving the hit from Thor is an outlier, so I'm leaning towards disagreeing, but I will wait to see what others think.
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To be an outlier, the shield would have to have been consistently damaged by stuff far weaker than High 1-B. The point of bringing up the five times it's been broken was to show that only forces equal to or above High 1-B have ever damaged it, so it can't be an outlier.
From our Powerscaling page:
Character A has a City level feat. Character B lost to Character A, yet still put up a considerable fight, was able to harm him and clearly made Character A exert effort into defeating Character B, then it is safe to assess that Character B has City level Attack Potency and Durability as well.
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Odinforce Thor clearly had to exert himself to dent the shield, though he probably could have broken it if he'd kept hammering away at it, so yes, the scaling is valid.
 
Neutral for two reasons
1. Our consistency rules regarding comics
2. Only one of those feats (Thor) are valid durability feat. The remaining is not durability feats cause the shield was literally destroyed. It is not a durability feat if the shield did not survive the attacks.

Hence it is safe to say this can be considered an outlier.
 
PrinceofPein said:
Neutral for two reasons
1. Our consistency rules regarding comics
2. Only one of those feats (Thor) are valid durability feat. The remaining is not durability feats cause the shield was literally destroyed. It is not a durability feat if the shield did not survive the attacks.

Hence it is safe to say this can be considered an outlier.
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IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
To be an outlier, the shield would have to have been consistently damaged by stuff far weaker than High 1-B. The point of bringing up the five times it's been broken was to show that only forces equal to or above High 1-B have ever damaged it, so it can't be an outlier.
From our Powerscaling page:

Odinforce Thor clearly had to exert himself to dent the shield, though he probably could have broken it if he'd kept hammering away at it, so yes, the scaling is valid.
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Currently neutral, but I don’t think bringing up examples of High 1-B stuff breaking the shield is good support for it having High 1-B durability.
 
LordTracer said:
Currently neutral, but I don’t think bringing up examples of High 1-B stuff breaking the shield is good support for it having High 1-B durability.
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As I said:
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
To be an outlier, the shield would have to have been consistently damaged by stuff far weaker than High 1-B. The point of bringing up the five times it's been broken was to show that only forces equal to or above High 1-B have ever damaged it, so it can't be an outlier.
From our Powerscaling page:

Odinforce Thor clearly had to exert himself to dent the shield, though he probably could have broken it if he'd kept hammering away at it, so yes, the scaling is valid.
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Well I guess it makes sense that the shield downscales from the weakest character that broke it, but I also agree that it needs more feats of surviving hits from strong people if it's a 2-A or 1-C unable to break the shield should be good.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
As I said:
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I saw what you said, I don’t think that logic works very well. Yes, the shield blocking an attack from Odinforce Thor (even though it still took damage) is a High 1-B feat, but including examples of it being destroyed by other High 1-B things don’t exactly paint a picture of the shield being that tier consistently.

If you could find other examples of it actually withstanding High 1-B attacks, then you could argue consistency.
 
LordTracer said:
I saw what you said, I don’t think that logic works very well. Yes, the shield blocking an attack from Odinforce Thor (even though it still took damage) is a High 1-B feat, but including examples of it being destroyed by other High 1-B things don’t exactly paint a picture of the shield being that tier consistently.

If you could find other examples of it actually withstanding High 1-B attacks, then you could argue consistency.
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Basically this.

Heck, even Tier 2 feats or Tier 1 feats below High 1-B for the shield's durability would be good support.
 
Agree the upgrade, though I recommend gathering some more supporting feats.

The shield also withstood an attack from a Celestial (A.X.E.: Judgment Day #4)



Edit: Cap's Shield also endured a blow from Incomplete Odinforce Thor, who was momentarily unable to control his actions. (Thor (Vol. 6) #15)

 
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Planck69 said:
The shield withstanding a being that can kill 1-Bs isn't a good support feat?
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Considering one of the feats is that Thor had to make an effort to dent the shield but the celestial who casually killed Thor can't event scratch it, does that seem consistent?
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Considering one of the feats is that Thor had to make an effort to dent the shield but the celestial who casually killed Thor can't event scratch it, does that seem consistent?
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Yes? It's not a direct focused attack from the Celestial so it's entirely likely that it didn't do as much against the shield as a focused blast did.

Also, what are you even trying to say here? That it should be higher? Cause so far it's;

  • 2 feats of it tanking High 1-B attacks.
  • High 1-B to Low 1-A attacks being needed to break it.
 
The celestial was very casually killing all the top tiers in there including phoenix force 1-A (should be comparable to other phoenix hosts), and you think it's good to have a 1-A character support a 1- B tier? Even being AoE it's still doesn't make it infinitely inferior.
Not saying it's higher I'm saying that specific fest does not support 1-B
 
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Basically what they said. It is not so consistent to get a solid rating.
1. Thor held back and could dent it.
2. It could withstand damage from someone who can casually kill Thor.
 
NaturalDestroyer said:
When did that happen?
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