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3 spatial dimensions= the universe
3 spatial dimensions + 1 Temporal dimension contained by infinite time compression=totality of time
4 spatial dimensions= physical space that contains both the 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimensions with it infinite time cycle
This is where the problem starts man, you can keep 3 spatial + 1 temporal dimension with 3 dimensional spatial dimension because there is no relationship between spatial dimension and temporal dimension in this regard.

Because if the "physical spatiality" here is 3-dimensional, including this will give you at least 3 spatial dimensions. The temporal dimension is irrelevant in this regard.

But let's assume this is as you say. So be it
4 spatial dimensions + 1 temporal dimensions with its infinite time dimensions with multiple different other time axis
4 spatial dimensions + 2 temporal dimensions with infinite time compression
I guess I didn't make myself clear, but with the infinite temporal dimension spanning these space-time continuums they "can share the same direction and axis" so that doesn't give it an extra temporal dimension and extra axis.

They may still be extending along essentially the same temporal axis, but what you need to do is prove that this extra axis must extend along a different axis, which is essentially perpendicularity. Just look at the page and revisions Lmao.
First part
the universe have its length, breadth and width making a 3 dimensional axis of the universe, this is infact a normal thing
Second part
as we discussed in this thread and this thread, the totality of an entire space time continuum makes and forms a single cycle of time, which is discussed in the OP, each world spawns infinite cycle of time, again it is in the OP, creating a literal work with infinite cycle of time therefore each world is 2-A in clearance to that, each world have their own separate origin,@Georredannea15 the space time continuhm
The argument more or less depends on an overarching temporal dimension, but, as I noted above, the temporal axis in space may be the same as the temporal axis along which space-time continuums extend, unless you prove that they extend in different axes and directions, this would still be 4-D, not 5-D. Also, if it has its own time, as you mentioned, it is no longer a space.
A quote from DT's comment;

So a time dimension just encompassing multiple timelines should in itself indeed not suffice, as that could still go into the same direction (i.e. flow into the same future, just on a spatially greater scale).
In short, as long as the time axis of this space does not extend in different directions with space-time continuities, they act as a common temporal dimension, that is, they do not gain you anything because they extend along the same direction. As I said, your arguments still tread on the threshold of old standards

You will have to prove that this extends in different directions, both with specific statements and feats.
 
This is where the problem starts man, you can keep 3 spatial + 1 temporal dimension with 3 dimensional spatial dimension because there is no relationship between spatial dimension and temporal dimension in this regard.

Because if the "physical spatiality" here is 3-dimensional, including this will give you at least 3 spatial dimensions. The temporal dimension is irrelevant in this regard.

But let's assume this is as you say. So be it

I guess I didn't make myself clear, but with the infinite temporal dimension spanning these space-time continuums they "can share the same direction and axis" so that doesn't give it an extra temporal dimension and extra axis.

They may still be extending along essentially the same temporal axis, but what you need to do is prove that this extra axis must extend along a different axis, which is essentially perpendicularity. Just look at the page and revisions Lmao.

The argument more or less depends on an overarching temporal dimension, but, as I noted above, the temporal axis in space may be the same as the temporal axis along which space-time continuums extend, unless you prove that they extend in different axes and directions, this would still be 4-D, not 5-D. Also, if it has its own time, as you mentioned, it is no longer a space.
A quote from DT's comment;


In short, as long as the time axis of this space does not extend in different directions with space-time continuities, they act as a common temporal dimension, that is, they do not gain you anything because they extend along the same direction. As I said, your arguments still tread on the threshold of old standards

You will have to prove that this extends in different directions, both with specific statements and feats.
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This is where the problem starts man, you can keep 3 spatial + 1 temporal dimension with 3 dimensional spatial dimension because there is no relationship between spatial dimension and temporal dimension in this regard.

Because if the "physical spatiality" here is 3-dimensional, including this will give you at least 3 spatial dimensions. The temporal dimension is irrelevant in this regard.

But let's assume this is as you say. So be it

I guess I didn't make myself clear, but with the infinite temporal dimension spanning these space-time continuums they "can share the same direction and axis" so that doesn't give it an extra temporal dimension and extra axis
Literally didn't argue about that
About DT
So a time dimension just encompassing multiple timelines should in itself indeed not suffice, as that could still go into the same direction (i.e. flow into the same future, just on a spatially greater scale).
That's just a single world lmao
We haven't talked about the space that contains that and sub space that contains that and all of its entirety too

Uhhhh, am safe to call mod now, let me argue with them.
 
The physical space that works in 4 dimensions is the space that contains all the timelines, like the two threads i posted it talked about Zalario destroying multiple timelines existing in one dimension, these dimensions are also called walls, these are then contained in sub space, which not just contains timeline in all of its entirety but also have its own time which flows different from all worlds and literally is a super time that can't be interacted with because of its different pattern which is why we also used the law of subspace for better clearance
Actually, the first problem starts where I marked in bold, I mean that "4-dimensional spatiality is not required" in order to have space-time dimensions with 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension within you.

3 spatial dimension is enough for this.

But even if we put that aside, you still don't get very far from the overarching temporal dimension this way, because the arguments more or less go around in circles.

Yes, if you had something to say that every time point has a space-time continuum.

This would be 5-D as written in the OP, but unfortunately these are 4-D my friend.

Like I said, bad luck for you 'cause all that shit has changed
Literally didn't argue about that
About DT

That's just a single world lmao
One world or multiple worlds... It's basically the same
We haven't talked about the space that contains that and sub space that contains that and all of its entirety too
I thought I had already touched on and answered the other things above and in the OP.

Especially this “infinitely different” inclusive space and others.
 
This is where the problem starts man, you can keep 3 spatial + 1 temporal dimension with 3 dimensional spatial dimension because there is no relationship between spatial dimension and temporal dimension in this regard.

Because if the "physical spatiality" here is 3-dimensional, including this will give you at least 3 spatial dimensions. The temporal dimension is irrelevant in this regard.

But let's assume this is as you say. So be it

I guess I didn't make myself clear, but with the infinite temporal dimension spanning these space-time continuums they "can share the same direction and axis" so that doesn't give it an extra temporal dimension and extra axis.

They may still be extending along essentially the same temporal axis, but what you need to do is prove that this extra axis must extend along a different axis, which is essentially perpendicularity. Just look at the page and revisions Lmao.

The argument more or less depends on an overarching temporal dimension, but, as I noted above, the temporal axis in space may be the same as the temporal axis along which space-time continuums extend, unless you prove that they extend in different axes and directions, this would still be 4-D, not 5-D. Also, if it has its own time, as you mentioned, it is no longer a space.
A quote from DT's comment;


In short, as long as the time axis of this space does not extend in different directions with space-time continuities, they act as a common temporal dimension, that is, they do not gain you anything because they extend along the same direction. As I said, your arguments still tread on the threshold of old standards

You will have to prove that this extends in different directions, both with specific statements and feats.
What you typed here is completely wrong. As long as it holds 4d universes and they are not touching one another it is a 5d space. Significant enough and it is low1c. You are confusing 2 ways of getting low 1c with 1. Different time flow or axis you keep mentioning has been repeatedly agreed on by staffs not to be a criteria any longer for stuff like this
 
What you typed here is completely wrong. As long as it holds 4d universes and they are not touching one another it is a 5d space. Significant enough and it is low1c.
Lmao no where did you hear that?

The extra vertical axis (5th axis) is what ensures that multiple 4-dimensional structures stay at 0 volume so that they do not touch each other parallelly.

This is true in all verses, but this will never scale unless you prove that this axis and the 5th dimensional volume are infinite.
You are confusing 2 ways of getting low 1c with 1. Different time flow or axis you keep mentioning has been repeatedly agreed on by staffs not to be a criteria any longer for stuff like this
And yes, I changed it later(Or rather, it was always the default, so I changed it.) Even just looking at the quote is enough.
 
Lmao no where did you hear that?

The extra vertical axis (5th axis) is what ensures that multiple 4-dimensional structures stay at 0 volume so that they do not touch each other parallelly.

This is true in all verses, but this will never scale unless you prove that this axis and the 5th dimensional volume are infinite.

And yes, I changed it later.
You saying no and then proceeding to repeat what I said but explaining more with words makes no sense. I know the reason they don't touch, I didn't feel a need to explain why.

No you don't need to prove they are infinite. Tf? All you need to prove is they are significant enough in size compared to the 4 dimensional structures. I don't know where you got this infinite statement from.
And please if you want to continue saying this quote faq for this infinite statement
 
You saying no and then proceeding to repeat what I said but explaining more with words makes no sense. I know the reason they don't touch, I didn't feel a need to explain why.

No you don't need to prove they are infinite. Tf? All you need to prove is they are significant enough in size compared to the 4 dimensional structures. I don't know where you got this infinite statement from.
And please if you want to continue saying this quote faq for this infinite statement
Space being infinite in itself doesn't matter, as space at that level is infinite in some sense anyway. You would need to be told that either specifically its 5 dimensional volume is infinite or that specifically the 5th dimensional axis (the one you add to the standard timelines) is infinite (or very large) for that to work. But I figure if you have information that specific then you wouldn't need this thread. In general, infinite could mean infinite by 3D or 4D standards, or in the sense of countably infinite times larger than a spacetime continuum, so that is just not enough.
As you can see in this quote, you can be scale as long as you prove that this extra axis and volume are infinite or universal. Don't get me wrong, I'm talking about the axis and volume of space, not the size of space

Otherwise no!! Part of what you said is true, but part of it is wrong and incomplete.

All you need to prove is they are significant enough in size compared to the 4 dimensional structures.
Besides, this has already nuked.
 
As you can see in this quote, you can be scale as long as you prove that this extra axis and volume are infinite or universal. Don't get me wrong, I'm talking about the axis and volume of space, not the size of space

Otherwise no!! Part of what you said is true, but part of it is wrong and incomplete.


Besides, this has already nuked.
I told you when you want to respond to me next quote faq please. None of what you said is relevant to even the faq. You yourself already agree it contains a 2a structure in itself and it has it's own extra axis. Go to the faq and look for yourself. I promise you will see this is valid for 5D. although it is still a case by case bases but saying according to the new rules it doesn't qualify is completely wrong
 
I told you when you want to respond to me next quote faq please. None of what you said is relevant to even the faq. You yourself already agree it contains a 2a structure in itself and it has it's own extra axis. Go to the faq and look for yourself. I promise you will see this is valid for 5D. although it is still a case by case bases but saying according to the new rules it doesn't qualify is completely wrong
This is already 5-D, I don't object to that, but it's not Low 1-C... It's just a non-scaling, trivially 5-dimensional space, the part that scales is only 4-dimensional part (4th axis)

Let me even give you some information. All such verses have 5-D spaces but none scale to Low 1-C. You'll need QS for this

I think that's the part you don't understand, and the places I've quoted already address the points discussed about this.
To elaborate, a structure larger than 2-A meets the requirements for qualitative superiority over them if it either explicitly mentions an uncountably infinite number of universes or has portrayals/statements of being bigger in size than 2-A structures to the point that even infinite multipliers on top of the size of that structure are of no relevance to it. Multiversal structures past Low 2-C frequently have a distance of unknown length along a 5th dimensional axis separating them. That isn't automatically Low 1-C, as for Low 1-C the distance must be known to be of non-insignificant size.
Well... Here.
 
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As you can see in this quote, you can be scale as long as you prove that this extra axis and volume are infinite or universal. Don't get me wrong, I'm talking about the axis and volume of space, not the size of space

Otherwise no!! Part of what you said is true, but part of it is wrong and incomplete.


Besides, this has already nuked.
While I don't understand a lot of what you said, I'll bring in something that is already agreed upon to prove that sub-space is 5D

A spacetime continuum with two time axis, instead of just one, could likewise be visualized as a line comprised of uncountably infinite points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the entire regular timeline with 3 space and 1 time dimension. It would hence be one level of qualitative superiority above a timeline and as such baseline Low 1-C. Similarily, adding even more time dimensions would add one level of qualitative superiority each time.

Now after reading this, please read this thread

Now I would be quoting some of the things that the admin explained, you can check yourself by reading the thread I gave, that I didn't change the admin's wording while quoting it.
It would be the bare minimum needed to fit all of them. If they all have a different temporal axis then the total cosmology (which isn't Space C) would be 6th Dimensional.
A universe is just 3-A. A Low 2-C feat requires destroying space-time since it would entail destroying an Aleph-1 amount of 3-A spaces.

By the same metric Space C is just a Low 1-C space, for holding an infinite snapshot of a 4D construct. But would need to destroy Space C both physically and temporally to get 6D.
Furthermore, a Dimension contains at least 3 Worlds, with different time axis, for which it was accepted previously in this thread as 2-C, but for some reason no one seems to have being brining the thing related to time axis here.


Now, while what the thread starter said about worlds having different timelines [yet at one time only one exists due to world contradiction] me true, I will also add this :

UJNplWz.png

RAW : マイには無限に等しい寿命があるが、それでも無理だと断ずる他ない。何しろ、次元ごとに時間軸は異なっているからだ。
DeepL Translation : Mai has a lifespan that is equal to infinity, but even so, we have no choice but to declare that it is impossible. After all, each dimension has a different time axis
Furthermore, this is stated not once but multiple times :
5bGm5m4.png

RAW : 目標の人物の波長に向けて跳ぶ方法もあるが、異なる次元にいては辿れなかった。また、目標地点の時間軸、位置座標、その他の情報が判明していたとしても、そこを隔てるように次元の壁があれば、マイの力では越えられないのである。
DeepL :
There was a way to leap toward the wavelength of the target person, but it could not be traced in a different dimension. Also, even if the time axis, location coordinates, and other information about the target point were known, there would still be a dimensional wall, Mai's power would not be able to cross it.
If you read the thread carefully, you'll notice that in my question in the OP there, the space-time C was exactly what a Dimension is.
Now with this, I have proven that Dimensions have different time axis, and as given in one of the threads I gave [The previous tier upgrade for TenSura], Worlds are accepted to have different time axis.

Thus, a Dimension, going by the quote of the admin that explained my question in the other thread I gave, would be 5D physically[inside space], and 6D as a whole [Space-time]

Meanwhile sub-space holds all of it, and would thus also be 6D.

This is all for now....
 
While I don't understand a lot of what you said, I'll bring in something that is already agreed upon to prove that sub-space is 5D



Now after reading this, please read this thread
I read it and... You basically confused different time axis with different time flows.
Now I would be quoting some of the things that the admin explained, you can check yourself by reading the thread I gave, that I didn't change the admin's wording while quoting it.


Furthermore, a Dimension contains at least 3 Worlds, with different time axis, for which it was accepted previously in this thread as 2-C, but for some reason no one seems to have being brining the thing related
Again, not universes with different time axis, but universes with different time flows.

Please stop expressing these as the same thing.
Now, while what the thread starter said about worlds having different timelines [yet at one time only one exists due to world contradiction] me true, I will also add this :

UJNplWz.png



Furthermore, this is stated not once but multiple times :
5bGm5m4.png



If you read the thread carefully, you'll notice that in my question in the OP there, the space-time C was exactly what a Dimension is.
Now with this, I have proven that Dimensions have different time axis, and as given in one of the threads I gave [The previous tier upgrade for TenSura], Worlds are accepted to have different time axis.
Are these statements canon? If so, yes, subspace could be 5-D.
Thus, a Dimension, going by the quote of the admin that explained my question in the other thread I gave, would be 5D physically[inside space], and 6D as a whole [Space-time]

Meanwhile sub-space holds all of it, and would thus also be 6D.

This is all for now....
No, it can't be 6-D.

Because in such extra temporal axis issues, unless you prove that the extra temporal dimension comes with a vertical axis, even if it is a different temporal dimension from the others, it will not gain you anything.

For example;

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This is orthogonality.
And that gives you an extra axis, but without that the extra timelines and other things are all a common temporal dimension and extend in the same direction.


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This is not orthogonality and will not gain you anything. Because they all share that axis



Subspace can contain multiple space-time continuums where time flows differently from each other, but another extra timeline that spins them in an infinite loop won't give you +1 unless it's orthogonal as I illustrated. No.

We have already revised these.
Honestly the biggest thing I can see here is 5-D. (Maybe and if the statements are canon)
6-D still doesn't show up. But it might be 5-D, man.
Well, this is also a bit muddy, but it could be possible.
 
Then yes, if the statements are canon, this might be a good thing for Veldanava and Rimuru upgraded to 5-D. :coffee:

I mentioned 6-D because it was mentioned above, I just said I disagreed with it.
 
I read it and... You basically confused different time axis with different time flows.

Again, not universes with different time axis, but universes with different time flows.

Please stop expressing these as the same thing.
However what was accepted, and what was added in the profiles, was different time axis.
Are these statements canon? If so, yes, subspace could be 5-D.
Yes, they are from Volume 21. And to be sure that there wasn't a translation error, I even checked it with several translators other than DeepL, like Yandex and google for example, do you want those results too?


However, my hold for now is still on at least 5D, while also leaning a bit towards this 6D part as a whole...
Edit : Also Veldanava's omnipotence over it....
 
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Honestly the biggest thing I can see here is 5-D. (Maybe and if the statements are canon)
6-D still doesn't show up. But it might be 5-D, man.
Well, this is also a bit muddy, but it could be possible.
Also, for two space-times with different time axes, is it generally assumed that the direction of their time axis, in comparison to one another, is also different?
 
In the notice with more context god will be 6D, idk if we can use author statements but from God diverted self did all things come from
Like some kind of shadow or something from his mind, but this lacks serious level of context so i would wait until volume 22&23 which author promise to focus on everything that is untouched
But there's no 7D parameter until future notice
Maybe promise land? Idk
Well that's beside the point, please no derailing next time @Tempestdragon6 ask your question in general discussion
 
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Yeah i dont see why this is low 1C

Now, while what the thread starter said about worlds having different timelines [yet at one time only one exists due to world contradiction] me true, I will also add this :

UJNplWz.png

Furthermore, this is stated not once but multiple times :
5bGm5m4.png

If you read the thread carefully, you'll notice that in my question in the OP there, the space-time C was exactly what a Dimension is.
Now with this, I have proven that Dimensions have different time axis, and as given in one of the threads I gave [The previous tier upgrade for TenSura], Worlds are accepted to have different time axis.

Thus, a Dimension, going by the quote of the admin that explained my question in the other thread I gave, would be 5D physically[inside space], and 6D as a whole [Space-time]

Meanwhile sub-space holds all of it, and would thus also be 6D.

This is all for now....
Different time axis not will give you higher dimension, hold some space and time is not give you low 1C tier

Yeah every space between several time and space is now 5D by default but not low 1C

Soo you can take the 5D but not the low 1C tier. Yeah insignificant 5D
 
Yeah i dont see why this is low 1C


Different time axis not will give you higher dimension, hold some space and time is not give you low 1C tier

Yeah every space between several time and space is now 5D by default but not low 1C

Soo you can take the 5D but not the low 1C tier. Yeah insignificant 5D
?? Am not even using the space between worlds logic here, as I said, this is a different approach from how the thread starter proposed it AT FIRST.

And it seems you haven't even read the quote I mentioned from FAQ..... and neither the threads I linked.... please read them before bringing in your argument.
 
?? Am not even using the space between worlds logic here, as I said, this is a different approach from how the thread starter proposed it AT FIRST.

And it seems you haven't even read the quote I mentioned from FAQ..... and neither the threads I linked.... please read them before bringing in your argument.
I read that, thats why i say different time axis not give any higher D

You say it will be 5D (inside space) thats why i brought space between worlds or yeah space that contain space times
 
DB use hypertimeline argument. This thread not
False equivalence. Just search again before comment
Brother you have clearly not even read the threads I linked -_-

Than I'll explain in simple terms.

Sub-Space contains all the countless Worlds and Dimensions in TenSura.
The great spirit of time is the higher time axis, the concept of time itself that exists throughout the past and future.

Dimensions have their own time axis, different from one another.

Please read the quotes from the admin that I gave again

It would be the bare minimum needed to fit all of them. If they all have a different temporal axis then the total cosmology (which isn't Space C) would be 6th Dimensional.
A universe is just 3-A. A Low 2-C feat requires destroying space-time since it would entail destroying an Aleph-1 amount of 3-A spaces.

By the same metric Space C is just a Low 1-C space, for holding an infinite snapshot of a 4D construct. But would need to destroy Space C both physically and temporally to get 6D.

If you can apply just a bit of logic here, Sub-Space holds the [uncountably]infinite snapshots of the entire world, all the worlds and dimensions, thus would be 5D SPATIALLY.
 
Yeah i dont see why this is low 1C


Different time axis not will give you higher dimension, hold some space and time is not give you low 1C tier

Yeah every space between several time and space is now 5D by default but not low 1C

Soo you can take the 5D but not the low 1C tier. Yeah insignificant 5D
? I don't get it
 
Sub-Space contains all the countless Worlds and Dimensions in TenSura.
Yeah not higher D, unless you show some qualitative superiority proof
The great spirit of time is the higher time axis, the concept of time itself that exists throughout the past and future.
For have higher time axis, you must have continous time progress of timeline
Concept of time is not higher time axis, unless you can prove that concept is have physical time structure and that time structure is flow beyond the reach of timeline. Concept just give you AE or CM by default
Dimensions have their own time axis, different from one another.
Yeah, different time axis but each time axis not qualitative superior to one another. It just multiverse by default
Please read the quotes from the admin that I gave again
The first quote qaw talking about higher time axis, it not just some axis or line that interconnected with each other

The second, yeah uncountable infinity or aleph 1 is needed for higher D
If you can apply just a bit of logic here, Sub-Space holds the [uncountably]infinite snapshots of the entire world, all the worlds and dimensions, thus would be 5D SPATIALLY.
Wait... uncountable infinity snapshots of 3D or 4D???
Yeah it hold aleph 1 amount of 3D snapshot, but 4D snapshots??? I dont see in any scan that subspace hold aleph 1 amount of space times or 4D
 
I Am discussing with Qawsed, if he acknowledges 5D then other disagreements become irrelevant
If he disagrees then agreements become irrelevant
So lets refrain from continuous arguments on time dimension or anything
 
I Am discussing with Qawsed, if he acknowledges 5D then other disagreements become irrelevant
If he disagrees then agreements become irrelevant
So lets refrain from continuous arguments on time dimension or anything
Just call him for evaluate this thread
 
Again, not universes with different time axis, but universes with different time flows.

Please stop expressing these as the same thing.

I just reread the OP, and it seems the thread starter has already given different scans for different time axis for Worlds, not just the flow of time, I seemed to have missed to mention those, sorry.

For have higher time axis, you must have continous time progress of timeline
Concept of time is not higher time axis, unless you can prove that concept is have physical time structure and that time structure is flow beyond the reach of timeline. Concept just give you AE or CM by default
I would have addressed this as well, but it seems to not be necessary as I seem to have skipped a part of the OP, where the person gave scans for how a World has its own time axis. This would thus not need the GS of time as there's already the existence of the dimension's time axis.
The first quote qaw talking about higher time axis, it not just some axis or line that interconnected with each other

The second, yeah uncountable infinity or aleph 1 is needed for higher D
That is needed when the same space-time holds 3 space and 2 time dimensions, that case is different from this one, where a space-time holds another while both have different axis of time.
Wait... uncountable infinity snapshots of 3D or 4D???
Yeah it hold aleph 1 amount of 3D snapshot, but 4D snapshots??? I dont see in any scan that subspace hold aleph 1 amount of space times or 4D
nvm, even the Dimension in this case would hold that many 4D snapshots [as I gave the reason above as to why], so just the sub-space holding the dimension itself should be enough for at least 5D.
 
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However what was accepted, and what was added in the profiles, was different time axis.
Not different time axis, different time flows...
Let me give a simple example. For example, if 1 minute = 50 seconds in one universe's timeline, and 60 seconds in another universe's timeline, this indicates that these two timelines have different time flows, but it does not mean an extra axis.


Or if one time flows from the past to the future and the other from the future to the past, this is also a different flow and does not mean an extra axis.
Yes, they are from Volume 21. And to be sure that there wasn't a translation error, I even checked it with several translators other than DeepL, like Yandex and google for example, do you want those results too?


However, my hold for now is still on at least 5D, while also leaning a bit towards this 6D part as a whole...
Edit : Also Veldanava's omnipotence over it....
Even if Veldavana covers it and even transcends it by an infinitely difference wouldn't make it 6-D, which is true not just for God but for the entire wiki
 
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