Tensura Revision: Part 5 (Tier)

[Jozaysmith?]

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Now to the main Dish
In this this thread we noticed how Velgrynd was threatening to destroy a space Time continuum in addition
Zalario is capable of destroying Dimensions

“…”
Charys was a majin of great strength. Even to Zalario, who had destroyed many dimensions- Volume 16 chapter 1

each of those said Dimensions contain parallel worlds
And as explained
-The original Dimension contains 3 worlds which are the spiritual realm, Cardinal world and demon realm or so called hell overlapping on each other, with Different Time Axis
Destroying a dimension depending on context is 2-C and i explained why Zalario's is 2-C

The Labyrinth​

The Labyrinth, was created with a superior power from Veldanava who himself Created the Multiverse

"Even Ciel-san assured me that Ramiris's ability was in a seperate category. According to Ciel, Veldanava didn't grant it but instead it was a part of God's abilities that was lost and is now dwelling inside of her. This is what I was told, so I have no doubt that Ramiris's words are true."- Volume 18 Chapter 1​

The Labyrinth is filled with Dimensions that isn't even easy to destroy by Veldora, who is superior to Zalario, but Velgrynd was capable of laying waste of 50 Floors
Which contains Universe sized Time Dimensions
So in conclusion Top tiers should be upgraded to 2-C

 

[BlackCat]

I agree

but The original Dimension 1 Dimension=2-C(3 SpaceTime) and a 1 Floors maze has at least 1 Dimension. And Velgrynd can destroy 50 floors in one place. That means 50×3=150 SpaceTime.

That means any character equal or stronger than her will get 2-C (150 SpaceTime) I understand correctly yes or no?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

I agree

but The original Dimension 1 Dimension=2-C(3 SpaceTime) and a 1 Floors maze has at least 1 Dimension. And Velgrynd can destroy 50 floors in one place. That means 50×3=150 SpaceTime.

That means any character equal or stronger than her will get 2-C (150 SpaceTime) I understand correctly yes or no?

It can be interpreted that way
As explained Veldora who is superior to Zalario find it difficult to destroy two floors at once

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Agree it's been discussed long ago so it's easy to understand

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

agree

 

[ashen]

Agree, simple and seem logical to me.

 

[Amon.vl]

Agree

 

[Shiraito983]

Following

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The Zalario 2-C part seems straightforward to me, but I'm unsure about the 50 floors thingy

@Elizhaa @Firestorm808 @Qawsedf234 @Planck69 @Lonkitt would you be willing to help here?

 

[Elizhaa]

Honestly, the references should be there for the scans because they are difficult to check for me.
Zalario's case and scaling seem like they could be fine, but what is the reference since I don't remember seeing it, and the Ramaris' labyrinth floor arguments seem somewhat vague, so what are the references for full context?

 

[Mizuki67]

pretty sure the scans were taken from vol 15, vol 16, vol 20 and vol 21 you can check it

Honestly, the references should be there for the scans because they are difficult to check for me.
Zalario's case and scaling seem like they could be fine, but what is the reference since I don't remember seeing it, and the Ramaris' labyrinth floor arguments seem somewhat vague, so what are the references for full context?

i will just give you the source of all the scan so that is much easier for you to evaluate. We made a mistake before that is why i am giving info of were the scans were taken from

Labyrinth Floor scan
“Sister Velgrynd, you are as fierce as ever. Even I can’t easily pierce through the levels of the labyrinth like that…”

He could probably destroy one or two levels by force if he distorted the labyrinth’s isolated dimension. However, he definitely could not penetrate multiple layers at once, even when cranking out as many magicules as possible. -vol 15 prologue

No need to fear. As long as you and I work together, no matter who the opponent is—“ Veldora tried to explain, but he didn’t get a chance to finish his sentence, as Velgrynd suddenly summoned a crimson spear in her hand.

“Ma-Master! This is bad. If we don’t do something, even ‘Labyrinth Creation’ might not be able to protect us!”

That goes without saying—Veldora thought.

“I know! Everybody, prepare for impact!!”

No one needed a second warning. Everyone immediately took a defensive stance, and moments later a violent onslaught assaulted the labyrinth.

“N-no way…”

“I’ve confirmed that the damage has spread to the fiftieth floor…the upper floors have been destroyed.” -vol 15 prologue

Additional scan for labyrinth

ベニマルが『時空間操作』で繋げた退避場所は、迷宮の〝外縁部〟にあった。
The refuge Benimaru had connected with using Space-time Maneuvering was on the outer
edge of the labyrinth.
迷宮内なのに外縁部と呼ばれるのには、それなりの理由がある。
There was a good reason why it was called the outer edge, despite being inside the
labyrinth
そこは、時空の狭間なのだ。
It's a space-time interstice.
迷宮は異界──つまり、亜空間に隣接しており、数多の別次元世界アナザーワールドとも接している
場所にあった。であるからこそ、迷宮の外が基軸世界であるのならば、迷宮の内側こそが〝外縁部
〟と称されているのだった。
The labyrinth was adjacent to another world—in other words, a subspace—and bordered
by countless other worlds, the Otherworlds. That was why, if the outside of the maze was
the base world, then the inside of the labyrine was called the “outer edge.” - vol 21 Chapter 4

Talking about Ramiris Skill
No, it’s okay. Ramiris built her labyrinth using superior power that can isolate even dimensions. Defeating it would be a difficult task even for me. No matter what she does, she can’t touch me as long as I stay here. - vol 15 prologue

Dimension that contain 3 worlds

Then, at long last, humanity was born, its fate interlocked with a parallel world in another dimension. They were fertile, capable of adapting to their environment; they had richly individualistic egos, along with a curiosity attuned to the mysteries of the world. Veldanava was delighted. He loved this fragile species more than any of the others. So he decided to remove any threats from the world that could prevent the humans from continuing to exist. Feldway was given the task as well, and with his own hands, he defeated a slew of would-be menaces and monsters.

But the last remaining adversary was a tricky one. It was Ivalage, the World-Destroyer Dragon who would later become king of the cryptids. Nobody knew where Ivalage came from or, in fact, how it came into creation at all. Did it reach here from some dark corner of the universe or the edge of another dimension? The only thing they knew for sure was that it was disaster incarnate. It was as powerful as a True Dragon but so lacking in intelligence that communication was impossible. Because of its destructive instincts, it had the potential to destroy the entire world in time. Even Feldway himself couldn’t take it in a one-on-one battle. .
- vol 16 prologue

In another world, order could be found—the semi-physical world that neatly overlapped the more spiritual realms, such as the elemental and demon worlds.
- vol 16 prologue



Time axis scan


Zalario’s nemeses, the insectars, were covered with exoskeletons, so a normal sword would be damaged by repeated slashes. In order to prevent this from happening, Zalario had refined his technique to cut accurately at the enemy’s weakest points. Since time in the other world and the Cardinal World were different, Zalario felt as if he had been fighting for more than tens of billions of years. Despite this, his skill with the sword had plateaued because he specialized in the characteristics of insectar enemies. Nevertheless, some of them were unusually good fighters, so Zalario’s strength had reached an unimaginable level. - vol 20 Chapter 4

Called forth, he looked at his surroundings. He had grown lazy in the peace of the underworld, oblivious to the passage of time on the surface.- vol 16 epilogue

OP has already updated and added some other scans u can check it out

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Honestly, the references should be there for the scans because they are difficult to check for me.
Zalario's case and scaling seem like they could be fine, but what is the reference since I don't remember seeing it, and the Ramaris' labyrinth floor arguments seem somewhat vague, so what are the references for full context?

“…”

Charys was a majin of great strength. Even to Zalario, who had destroyed many dimensions- Volume 16 chapter 1

Added to the OP

 

[CodeCCLL]

I've discussed this before both on discord and tensura cosmology revision thread, So I agree with the OP.

 

[Shiraito983]

Agree FRA

 

[Mizuki67]

pretty sure the scans were taken from vol 15 prologue, vol 16, vol 17 and vol 21 you can check it

i will just give u all the references that the op sent

updated my reply.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Bump

 

[Wikisource]

Everything is fine

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This looks good to me.

 

[Shiraito983]

bump

 

[Jozaysmith?]

bump

Why are we bumping?
All we have to do is wait for Elizhaa to re-evaluate since i gave him or her the required references

Everyone here seems to be Fine with Zalario but need better work on Labyrinth

 

[Trigger]

This looks good, I agree

 

[Elizhaa]

I guess the labyrinth’s points seem fine; I am curious: what is the reference for this scan?

Also, the first couple scans of chapter 21 would be better evidence than the first image, which is from chapter 22, just by itself; it can give proper context to the location where Rimuru held the event from chapter 21 on floor 95, which was mentioned by Veldora and Milim, who wanted to go there; otherwise, it is vague by itself and could be seen as easily being another location without context.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

I guess the labyrinth’s points seem fine; I am curious: what is the reference for this scan?

Also, the first couple scans of chapter 21 would be better evidence than the first image, which is from chapter 22, just by itself; it can give proper context to the location where Rimuru held the event from chapter 21 on floor 95, which was mentioned by Veldora and Milim, who wanted to go there; otherwise, it is vague by itself and could be seen as easily being another location without context.

Okay thanks would update it

 

[Jozaysmith?]

I guess the labyrinth’s points seem fine; I am curious: what is the reference for this scan?

Volume 21 actually

 

[Mizuki67]

pretty sure the scans were taken from vol 15, vol 16, vol 20 and vol 21 you can check it

i will just give you the source of all the scan so that is much easier for you to evaluate. We made a mistake before that is why i am giving info of were the scans were taken from

I guess the labyrinth’s points seem fine; I am curious: what is the reference for this scan?

Also, the first couple scans of chapter 21 would be better evidence than the first image, which is from chapter 22, just by itself; it can give proper context to the location where Rimuru held the event from chapter 21 on floor 95, which was mentioned by Veldora and Milim, who wanted to go there; otherwise, it is vague by itself and could be seen as easily being another location without context.

I have already given all the source / reference

 

[Elizhaa]

I have already given all the source / reference

Alright

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