I believe I simply will be unable to explain the stuff to you then. For a matter of fact, Ayanokouji said "will she" and not "can she". Secondly, he is not dumb enough to make a claim without any kind of opinion behind it. Come on now, this is not debatable, the claim is completely reliable.
Lol this is an entirely irrelevant example you're bringing up. I think this is becoming baseless as well.
Except for the fact that the point you brought up doesn't mean anything lol.
A character that can destroy a chair would wasily wreck a chair in one hit but somehow can only kick it away? Cmon now. You have to realise that this doesn't make any sense bruh.
The third scan I presented happened after Nagumo stating that he wasn't going to stop Fuuka from breaking a chair. I feel like you're blindly rejecting my arguments.
It isn't irrelevant. It would have been if Ayanokouji hadn't been sure about her capability. She was affirmed to be able to destroy a chair by actually 3 characters (including Ayanokouji, Nagumo and Suzune), which in fact means that all of these characters know the capabilities of their own verse and their thinking aligns, meaning that the claim is 100% reliable, if not, an imaginary destruction by Ayanokouji or others would have been close to reality. I am not going to debate this anymore, this isn't even nitpicking, it is straight up bad interpretation of grammar.
I have already said that this feat is reliable. Secondly, the snapping the chair into two is the lowest of the lowballs, because destruction of chair legs has wielded a result into megajoules for me, and of course, I didn't use the destruction values but the material tensile graphs for that.
They cannot "only kick it away". I don't know why you are trying to interpret Ayanokouji's "I think that she's going to kick the chair away." as "I think that she cannot destroy a chair." when literally Suzune herself was sure of Fuuka's destructive capabilities even after Ayanokouji said it. Secondly, no character ever doubted or said that she couldn't destroy a chair. For a matter of fact, I wouldn't have accepted your opinion even when it would have been stated by another character other than Ayanokouji simply because Ayanokouji wouldn't lie and has never overrated a character.
Ayanokouji said that she will destroy the chair before Nagumo even said that, I don't need to address it.
Wrong. Ayanokouji wasn't sure as he pointed out two different things that can happen to the chair, Nagumo said she can break the chair but didn't say she would do it in one hit (and she can take her time a lot), Suzune was just cautious around her, nothing suggests that she thought she would break the chair or something. These statements aren't reliable at all. I don't think you understand what valid statement means whatsoever.
You keep on misunderstanding my point. According to you, Fuuka would destroy the chair in one hit when Ayanokouji himself says that she would only kick it away in one hit, not destroy or break it.
Lol being cautious around her means she is sure about her destructive capabilities? What kinda interpretion is that? Fuuka was furious and dangerous at this scene so for sure Suzune is cautious around her.
You probably used the full volume of the chair's leg. You should've done the same thing for the chair's legs as you did with the snapping it into two option.
I didn't even make that comment towards the first scan but whatever. Also, don't act like Ayanokouji only said that she can destroy it when there are two statements of him saying she would kick it away and a statement of Nagumo saying that she would simply break it (not in one hit+break, not destroy). This is simply an unreliable statement.
At this point, I would recommend you go over all of this feat once again. Ayanokouji said it when he knew that Nagumo would stop her. It legit means that she has a limited number of a single hit due to Nagumo of course being narratively more agile than Fuuka. Secondly, Ayanokouji saying that simply means she's going to do it in a single hit.
Basically bad interpretation,
I literally used compression formula and just the bending cross-section with Pythagoras and divided that in half. Moreover, that would give
I literally didn't act like Ayanokouji only said she can destroy it. He legit said that it was up to her whether she wants to destroy it or kick it. Him saying that she will probably kick it is basically his prediction of what will happen, he didn't change his opinion, but just did some prediction of what character move will happen which he usually does.
Yeah and the "kick it away" option twice and the second statement literally invalidates your argument about Fuuka being able to one shot the chair. I don't understand how you don't get it.
Fuuka only being able to kick the chair away is a big anti-feat to what you suggest lmao. Fuuka can only kick the chair away in one hit but can't break it in one hit. She needs to take multiple hits to break it which is literally what Nagumo suggests. Ayanokouji doesn't have to say "can she break the chair" to question her abilities especially when there are some other options he himself presents.
Bruh I'm not even talking about the first scan. I literally said that for the third scan I presented where Ayanokouji stated that she can kick the chair away but you somehow took that like I said that for the first scan. The destroying option is legit unusable as the same character who stated that literally contradicted it.
"Will she destroy the chair or kick it away" literally means that she would certainly do one of the options he presented to the chair but Ayanokouji isn't sure what she would do to it. When there is a statement including "or" in it, you don't simply take the one that gives the best result, you take the one that is more reliable. The more reliable in this case is the "Kicking it away" option as he literally states that she would kick the chair away without destroying it after this statement.
Yeah no, Fuuka doesn't have to compress the chair or anything. She can just kick the legs off and you should've just used the same thing you used to snap the chair.
I already answered the "will or can" part you always presented and you're still misunderstanding my point about the "Kicking it away" thing Koji stated (I'm starting to think that you are doing that on purpose now).
Basically, you are interpreting the "I think she will kick the chair away" as "She cannot destroy the chair". This is some massive fallacy. Anyways, like I said, and much like I would hate to repeat myself again, saying stuff like "Will she eat the ice-cream or the sandwich?" and then saying "I think she will eat the sandwich." doesn't mean "She cannot eat the ice-cream" in any way.
I think you should probably research upon what an anti-feat is. Moreover, I asked you to actually find an anti-feat, not declare the feat which you are wanting to prove invalid as an anti-feat, you need a lot of guts to do that. Secondly, your interpretation is invalid like I said.
Did Ayanokouji specifically mention "Oh I was wrong, she cannot destroy the chair now" specifically? If not, then we are done here. Nothing invalidates the fact that he believes that Fuuka can destroy the chair.
Precisely. Yes, he means that she would certainly do either of the options. I needed you to mention this yourself.
Literally both are reliable, none was contradicted by any sentence in the entire conversation. I calculated the possibility where she destroys the chair, I am not the one but you are free to calculate the possibility where she kicks it away, if that's all you want to do.
He literally never said "Oh crap, she's weak, she cannot destroy the chair, sorry audience.". Furthermore, the ice-cream and sandwich example which I stated already applies to this.
I think you seriously need to reconsider my statement. I never said "compress the chair", I was just wanting to use the young's modulus formula. That would be the thing you would have learnt in high school years back, unless you are still in one.
No, I am not plotting anything against you. Secondly, you basically never answered the "will or can" part, stop thinking that you did lol, I read like one and half pages of replies and didn't find anything regarding your "answered the will or can part".
And you still don't understand what I said in the first place
I never said she CAN'T break the chair because Nagumo ALSO stated that she has the ability to do so. I'm trying to say that Ayanokouji stated that she looked like she was gonna kick the chair away and only kick the chair away which means that she indeed can't break any part of the chair in one hit because Ayanokouji would state that too.Bruh. If someone can kick the chair away without breaking it, that meanz that they can't break the chair in one hit. Simple as that.
Yeah, no. He doesn't need to specifically state that when he already invalidated it himself.
Focus on the "or" part. Also, Koji himself invalidates the feat being done in one hit like I said.
He contradicted it being done in one hit himself. I'm not saying she can't break the chair. I' saying that she can't do it in one hit.
Like I said, that doesn't have to be stated directly.
Ah misunderstood then. That still doesn't change the fact that she can just snap the legs in half which would certainly not yield a result more than 50 KJ, let alone a Megajoule like you said. You simply have to repeat the snapping the chair's top calc (the one you got 96 KJ from) to the legs.
It was the one you said "I needed you to mention this yourself" thing. Stop twisting my words bruh. I never said that she can't break the chair because Nagumo clearly states it. You really have to work on your reading because this is only getting long because you keep misunderstanding my points and presenting counter arguments of things that weren't even my arguments.
It can just be a different kind of chair with cushion lol. Not a good argument at all.
Those aren't vents though.
This is getting ridiculous by the minute.And you still don't understand what I said in the first place
Bruh. If someone can kick the chair away without breaking it, that meanz that they can't break the chair in one hit. Simple as that.
Yeah, no. He doesn't need to specifically state that when he already invalidated it himself.
Focus on the "or" part. Also, Koji himself invalidates the feat being done in one hit like I said.
He contradicted it being done in one hit himself. I'm not saying she can't break the chair. I' saying that she can't do it in one hit.
Like I said, that doesn't have to be stated directly.
Ah misunderstood then. That still doesn't change the fact that she can just snap the legs in half which would certainly not yield a result more than 50 KJ, let alone a Megajoule like you said. You simply have to repeat the snapping the chair's top calc (the one you got 96 KJ from) to the legs.
What would that even change lol. Are u trying to insult me or something?
It was the one you said "I needed you to mention this yourself" thing. Stop twisting my words bruh. I never said that she can't break the chair because Nagumo clearly states it. You really have to work on your reading because this is only getting long because you keep misunderstanding my points and presenting counter arguments of things that weren't even my arguments.
LOL, I was planning to take it to only 50 thread messages, and I am not going to do it further. Thanks for the reminder to everyone though.
Bro is back
I would personally Simply go for "At least Wall level" for everyone and that's it
My argument doesn't even involve this but ok.
She doesn't need to hit the seat.
I can't find any relation between this and my arguments. Like, I only said she can kick it away lol.
An "At least Wall" rating for Ayanokouji was already agreed upon many people, including me in a past thread. I'm more than fine with that.
Makes sense, I don't specially know if the thing I did is even correct as I only did it after seeing the Demon Slayer supersonic+ to hypersonic rating for a feat. So, to summarize.
That's also good. But following the wiki statistics manner, I believe it would be better to give the "higher" ratings for making the profiles better.
Why do low tiers scale to Fuuka? Fuuka scales to Shiba holding back who should scale above all of the low tiers.
We don't know how much was Shiba holding back. So, the statements is the only thing Fuuka has. Except for her athletic statements and her insane OAA of 96 to 100 (tbh even Sudou has 96 OAA and got no-diffed by Housen who has 81 OAA). So, she's basically a low tier if we were to scale her with statements. She's not like Ichika who can take on two low-tiers easily (or I should say an entire Awakened Nanase) herself.
I mean like, there are statements of Fuuka being able to fight aganist a Holding Back Shiba well. I think she should scale to mid tiers with ease.
Fun fact: I scaled her high. I mean, I scaled her as a high-tier in the verse. And I was even theorizing that she could be a mysterious person like Kouenji, but she basically isn't. Ayanokouji himself said that Shiba was just trying to entertain her.
Yes I know but Shiba states that he "didn't put too much pressure on her" which literally means that she fought aganist a Holding Back Shiba. That Shiba should still scale to mid tiers imo.
Ayanokouji, despite being able to no-diff even the high tiers of the verse, held back to the point where he has to use like 100 strikes to knockout Ryuuen just to extend the fight more (he actually has a statement where he himself said that he can knock out Ryuuen in a single hit). This thing itself shows that an insanely high-tier can hold back to the point where he is being shown as only some levels above a character who he should be able to take an army full of. Her holding back Shiba will not give a good tier, as we don't know by how much was Shiba holding back. Secondly, DBZ characters who are MFTL+ can walk are not unable to walk at human level speeds. A character can simply hold back to a level of a low-tier. Secondly, Shiba was mostly likely holding back to Fuuka's level. Shiba, for one, is an incredibly intelligent individual himself.
This can work too, No?
Fuuka stated that she could hold off Shiba for at least a minute or two after analyzing their fight aganist Ayanokouji without knowing he would hold back tho. That would mean that Fuuka has the ability tank a hit from Shiba.
That would be a lot of assuming to be honest. Ngl, but I have found Analytical Prediction feats for literally Suzune, Fuuka can have that as well. If she has, then Shiba's amazing speed wouldn't overwhelm her on the spot, he will need to maintain at least some proximity. Secondly, we don't even know if Shiba will hit Fuuka with a punch, he can simply use some Judo throws as he wishes. Fuuka should be scaled only through her statements, which on a glance don't get her above even Suzune, but I would say let's get her to at least comparable, due to the fact that except for Suzune's praises, her statements are the same as Fuuka.
Assuming he would use Judo throws is weird too though? He didn't use them aganist Koji as well which means he mainly uses punches.
I literally didn't assume anything, I was saying "he can use it", and not "he will use it". It is like assuming that Fuuka would become a mid-tier without any kind of battle experience or fighting training upon their geniuses which is a mandatory thing in the verse for actual scaling. Things like "I don't think/I think" and "imo" are one of the reasons why people scale Kouenji second in the verse while he doesn't have feats which exactly prove that. I don't think I will trouble myself explaining this anymore.
