- 4,677
- 1,176
Thanks to @Zefra3011 for volunteering to calculate this:
This will upgrade the verse by a lot and will upgrade many characters, both in Attack Potency and Durability, and speed. This will be a relatively simple thread, as it only concerns scaling.
Attack Potency:
The following scaling chain can be employed in scaling of the characters:
1.20299186865 MJ < Ichika Amasawa (Did the feat very casually) < Tsukishiro Tokinari <= Shiba Katsunori < (likely "?") Takuya Yagami << Yuki <? Shiro ? Current Ayanokouji <? Kid Ayanokouji <<? Prime Ayanokouji
For attack potency, the characters lower than Ichika should be upgraded to at least 15 kJ (Baseline Wall level) and used in their matchups, considering how Kushida could take on hits from Ichika, and if the difference was really so much, then Kushida would have just died (the current low tier durability is 4.4 kJ, and 1.2 MJ against it would be around 272x of difference, which is enough to kill a person).
So, except for Arisu Sakayanagi, basically all the currently existing profiles can be upgraded to at least baseline Wall level.
Speed:
The scaling chain here changes a bit, Considering 342,338 is very close to supersonic, Takuya who is capable of blitzing Ichika casually would receive the supersonic baseline rating, With Yuki and above upscaling Takuya
So it would be more like this;
342.338 m/s < Ichika Amasawa (Did the feat very casually) < Tsukishiro Tokinari <= Shiba Katsunori < Supersonic Baseline (likely "?") Takuya Yagami (Blitzed Ichika casually) << Yuki <? Shiro ? Current Ayanokouji <? Kid Ayanokouji <<? Prime Ayanokouji
Ayanokouji's Y2V7 statement:
In Year 2 Volume 7, Ayanokouji makes a statement,
Usage: We can highball Ichika to a 30 as used in Ayanokouji's statement. Please note that Ayanokouji declared 30 as the highest among his opponents, but we can highball Ichika to a 30, so that Ayanokouji can get the lowest possible AP and Speed upon this statement.
(This would scale to all the versions of Ayanokouji, and with an "At least [Tier], higher" for both Attack Potency and Speed to employ the Ichika highball done to lowball Ayanokouji. This should also be added as a note in Ayanokouji's profile, with the thread mentioned for its explanation.)
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This will upgrade the verse by a lot and will upgrade many characters, both in Attack Potency and Durability, and speed. This will be a relatively simple thread, as it only concerns scaling.
Guide for comparisons in scaling chain:
- "<" indicates superiority for the character written next to the character written before. The number of "<"s can indicate different types of superiority. "<" indicates superiority, "<<" indicates the character being much superior, and "<<<" indicates the character being massively superior.
- "<?" and "<<?" would indicate at least much superiority (but can be higher) and at least massive superiority (but can be higher) respectively.
- "?" indicates that no real comparison can be made between characters upon the current information provided in the story.
Attack Potency:
The following scaling chain can be employed in scaling of the characters:
1.20299186865 MJ < Ichika Amasawa (Did the feat very casually) < Tsukishiro Tokinari <= Shiba Katsunori < (likely "?") Takuya Yagami << Yuki <? Shiro ? Current Ayanokouji <? Kid Ayanokouji <<? Prime Ayanokouji
- Tsukishiro Tokinari will be superior to Ichika Amasawa due to the fact that Ichika herself said that if she attacked Shiba and turned him away for one, he could come back with twice as hard later, and Ayanokouji himself implied that Tsukishiro was only slightly inferior to Shiba (explained in the next point).
- Shiba Katsuonori is slightly superior (so "<=") to Tsukishiro Tokinari, as Ayanokouji himself said it.
- Takuya is superior to both Tsukishiro Tokinari and Shiba Katsunori due to a simple reason. Tsukishiro had to plan to take on Ayanokouji with two people, while Takuya himself was said to take Ayanokouji (but both of them were proved wrong), but this implies Takuya's higher capabilities. And to be fair, this is actually very debatable, so we can just have Takuya be described as much superior to Ichika.
- Yuki is superior to everyone before due to belonging to the 4th generation, which had stricter curriculum, and she had passed everything which Takuya did and she was also one of the final survivors in the White Room.
- Shiro is superior to Yuki because while he belonged to the same generation, he had better results than her.
- Current Ayanokouji and Shiro, for now cannot be compared. Though current Ayanokouji would take if a comparison were to happen, as he has much more feats and Shiro basically scales through narratives.
- Kid Ayanokouji is superior to current Ayanokouji (I know this take sounds absurd, but many people have started to accept it). Current Ayanokouji was breaking down in cold sweat while fighting two characters (Tsukishiro and Shiba) who could engage in a rough battle and Kid Ayanokouji was without any kind of difficulties, taking on 6 fighters. These 6 fighters were brought by the White Room instructors in Volume 0, and Kid Ayanokouji had already defeated all of the instructors in the White Room. Someone can debate that a single or lesser than 6 White Room instructors would equalize 6 of them, but it isn't actually debatable, considering that nothing was stopping White Room instructors from grouping together on Ayanokouji, so it is better to assume that they already had, and it is clear that the fight with the 6 of them was basically for training purposes. (Scans)
- Prime Ayanokouji, without a debate is much superior to everyone before, he passed beyond the Beta Curriculum, and he is also the pinnacle of the strength which Ayanokouji could possess.
For attack potency, the characters lower than Ichika should be upgraded to at least 15 kJ (Baseline Wall level) and used in their matchups, considering how Kushida could take on hits from Ichika, and if the difference was really so much, then Kushida would have just died (the current low tier durability is 4.4 kJ, and 1.2 MJ against it would be around 272x of difference, which is enough to kill a person).
So, except for Arisu Sakayanagi, basically all the currently existing profiles can be upgraded to at least baseline Wall level.
Speed:
The scaling chain here changes a bit, Considering 342,338 is very close to supersonic, Takuya who is capable of blitzing Ichika casually would receive the supersonic baseline rating, With Yuki and above upscaling Takuya
So it would be more like this;
342.338 m/s < Ichika Amasawa (Did the feat very casually) < Tsukishiro Tokinari <= Shiba Katsunori < Supersonic Baseline (likely "?") Takuya Yagami (Blitzed Ichika casually) << Yuki <? Shiro ? Current Ayanokouji <? Kid Ayanokouji <<? Prime Ayanokouji
Ayanokouji's Y2V7 statement:
In Year 2 Volume 7, Ayanokouji makes a statement,
The thing about this line is that it can be used for scaling.Amasawa's fighting abilities, which she had learned in the White Room, were the real deal. Even up against people with formal training like Horikita and Ibuki, or people who learned how to fight on their own out in the real world like Ryuuen, Amasawa would be the clear victor. However, as for the question of whether she could compete with me on equal terms, that wasn't even up for discussion. If my opponent's skill level jumped from five to twenty, or even to thirty, they still weren't anywhere close to a hundred.
- Ayanokouji Kiyotaka, Year 2 Volume 7
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Misconception: The line uses the word "skill" which means the knowledge and techniques used by a fight, so it only refers to level of fighting knowledge Ayanokouji possesses compared to his opponents.
Clearing the misconception:
Syougo Kinugasa, the author of the novel sometimes does use "skill" as a word for abilities. In the paragraph, Ayanokouji talks about Amasawa's abilities, and then uses the word "skill level" instead of just "skills" to actually clear this up. More reasoning:
Clearing the misconception:
Syougo Kinugasa, the author of the novel sometimes does use "skill" as a word for abilities. In the paragraph, Ayanokouji talks about Amasawa's abilities, and then uses the word "skill level" instead of just "skills" to actually clear this up. More reasoning:
- The setting: Ayanokouji says this right after blitzing Ichika a couple of times. Blitzing doesn't require knowledge (or techniques) but rather speed and here, Ayanokouji also attacked Ichika and gave her body a definite kind of momentum which made her lose her fighting stance. This would only require Attack Potency and Speed, coupled with proper sense of fighting, but not actual fighting techniques and skills. So, Ayanokouji is likely referring to these two abilities rather than actually his battle techniques and stuff.
- Second mention: As implied before, the skills likely refer to the AP and Speed of Ayanokouji. However, there is a second time this is mentioned as well. In Year 2 Volume 8, Kushida (someone who spectated Ayanokouji). She also refers to that as "Ayanokouji's skills", further proving the point that this scene uses "skill" word for actually combat abilities like AP and Speed.
Usage: We can highball Ichika to a 30 as used in Ayanokouji's statement. Please note that Ayanokouji declared 30 as the highest among his opponents, but we can highball Ichika to a 30, so that Ayanokouji can get the lowest possible AP and Speed upon this statement.
- Attack Potency: Taking Amasawa's current AP as a 30 and Ayanokouji as a 100, we get Ayanokouji's AP as (100/30)*1.20299186865 = 4.0099728955 MJ (Wall level).
- Speed: Taking Amasawa's current speed as a 30 and Ayanokouji as a 100, we get Ayanokouji's speed as (100/30)*342,338 = 1141,126666667 m/s (Supersonic+).
(This would scale to all the versions of Ayanokouji, and with an "At least [Tier], higher" for both Attack Potency and Speed to employ the Ichika highball done to lowball Ayanokouji. This should also be added as a note in Ayanokouji's profile, with the thread mentioned for its explanation.)
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