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So, this CRT sucks, it's an unreadable mess and I'll just refresh it with a new one.
This will only be about the cosmology, the next CRT(s) will be about who actually scales to said cosmology, hax additions, calcs, and whatever else...
Zurvan and Dreams
Dreams being Type 1 concepts is accepted here, where Zurvan is the Sea of Dreams, and in said sea Serge could see the origin of time, its end, and all of the infinite timelines, as they're the basis of the reality itself. But there is more.
The truth itself (or also the universe as said in the japanese version) is contained in dreams, and the Dreamstone, a stone discovered from the humanity's ancestors, holds dreams and has created concepts such as Love and Hate. Other evidence of said stone existing before humankind, is that it can be found only in the prehistoric era, and Ayla describing it as a powerful object.
Tia could also see in her dream that there are infinite worlds, possibilities and dreams, as a proof, again, that dreams hold universes and all of their concepts.
The verse follows MWI, and worlds exists as much as exist possibilities, and this is proven from the Reptitites, a race which predates humanity, theorized to still exist in another timeline because of MWI, and this is proven true, as Terra Tower/Dinopolis is nothing but a city made in a timeline where Reptites still existed, and was forcefully brought from the Earth itself in the main timeline, and in Chrono Trigger there's a gate which leads to an alternate future where only Reptites exist and humans are completely unknown.
Meaning that the timelines make up a 2-A Multiverse, and Zurvan is Low 1-C due to it holding the timelines, their concepts, as well as the beginning and end of time, clearly treating infinite 4D as a finite part of itself.
Temporal Dimensions
A thing that can be argued to make the verse higher than just 5D is the mention of Multiple Temporal Dimensions. The Black Omen in the localized version is said to transcend space and time, but in the Japanese, it's said that it travels through the temporal dimensions. There is another statement about said Temporal Dimensions, aka when Lavos started to distort the temporal axes. This pretty much can imply that the multiverse that is contained in Zurvan is not merely 3+1D, but 5D in itself as it would be 3+2D, aka Low 1-C, thus making Zurvan 6D. Whenever this is accepted as legit or not, I do not really know, but at very least it should be included as a likely, given that there are multiple mentions of said temporal dimensions, so I can think that is literal.
AKA I can see Zurvan as either straight up 6D or 5D, likely 6D, both are good.
Darkness Beyond Time
This is not exactly for tiering but for range.
The premise is Miguel meeting the main cast in a time distortion, saying that said distortion is a future that was erased.
After Miguel's defeat, he explains what this erased future actually is. Is a future which was supposed to be the timeline where Lavos has emerged and destroyed the world, reducing it to an apocalyptic state. Crono and his friends at the end of the game defeat Lavos, saving the future from preventing its destruction from Lavos, essentially changing history and overwriting the timeline. Thus the previous timeline where Lavos succeded in destroying the world has been completely erased due to the paradox. However, said timeline was about to return, overwriting the one that Crono and his friends have fought to "create", if it wasn't from FATE sending this timeline back to the void from where it belongs, killing Miguel and whoever was still inside it, meaning that the Darkness Beyond Time is the place where deleted timelines go to rot, as also explained in this CRT.
The Darkness Beyond Time requires to go beyond space and time to access it, as it exists beyond the borders of time and lacks a beginning or an end, with everything being reduced to nothing there.
Meaning that the Darkness beyond time is above Low 1-C range, whenever is 5D or 6D.
Who scales?
For now only the Time Devourer in his "eventually" tier. Lavos' normal range will change from "Interdimensional" to "Low Complex Multiversal" and nothing else kek.
Votes
Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus (5D, likely 6D cosmology and above baseline range), @PrinceofPein (5D cosmology and above baseline range), @ThanatosX and TheGreatJedi13 (5D cosmology and above baseline range), Rakih_Elyan (5D cosmology), Vietthai96 (5D, possibly 6D cosmology), Maverick_Zero_X (5D cosmology)
Disagree: @PrinceofPein (6D cosmology), TheGreatJedi13 (6D cosmology), Rakih_Elyan (6D cosmology)
Neutral: @ThanatosX (6D cosmology), Maverick_Zero_X (6D cosmology)
This will only be about the cosmology, the next CRT(s) will be about who actually scales to said cosmology, hax additions, calcs, and whatever else...
Zurvan and Dreams
Dreams being Type 1 concepts is accepted here, where Zurvan is the Sea of Dreams, and in said sea Serge could see the origin of time, its end, and all of the infinite timelines, as they're the basis of the reality itself. But there is more.
The truth itself (or also the universe as said in the japanese version) is contained in dreams, and the Dreamstone, a stone discovered from the humanity's ancestors, holds dreams and has created concepts such as Love and Hate. Other evidence of said stone existing before humankind, is that it can be found only in the prehistoric era, and Ayla describing it as a powerful object.
Tia could also see in her dream that there are infinite worlds, possibilities and dreams, as a proof, again, that dreams hold universes and all of their concepts.
The verse follows MWI, and worlds exists as much as exist possibilities, and this is proven from the Reptitites, a race which predates humanity, theorized to still exist in another timeline because of MWI, and this is proven true, as Terra Tower/Dinopolis is nothing but a city made in a timeline where Reptites still existed, and was forcefully brought from the Earth itself in the main timeline, and in Chrono Trigger there's a gate which leads to an alternate future where only Reptites exist and humans are completely unknown.
Meaning that the timelines make up a 2-A Multiverse, and Zurvan is Low 1-C due to it holding the timelines, their concepts, as well as the beginning and end of time, clearly treating infinite 4D as a finite part of itself.
Temporal Dimensions
A thing that can be argued to make the verse higher than just 5D is the mention of Multiple Temporal Dimensions. The Black Omen in the localized version is said to transcend space and time, but in the Japanese, it's said that it travels through the temporal dimensions. There is another statement about said Temporal Dimensions, aka when Lavos started to distort the temporal axes. This pretty much can imply that the multiverse that is contained in Zurvan is not merely 3+1D, but 5D in itself as it would be 3+2D, aka Low 1-C, thus making Zurvan 6D. Whenever this is accepted as legit or not, I do not really know, but at very least it should be included as a likely, given that there are multiple mentions of said temporal dimensions, so I can think that is literal.
AKA I can see Zurvan as either straight up 6D or 5D, likely 6D, both are good.
Darkness Beyond Time
This is not exactly for tiering but for range.
The premise is Miguel meeting the main cast in a time distortion, saying that said distortion is a future that was erased.
After Miguel's defeat, he explains what this erased future actually is. Is a future which was supposed to be the timeline where Lavos has emerged and destroyed the world, reducing it to an apocalyptic state. Crono and his friends at the end of the game defeat Lavos, saving the future from preventing its destruction from Lavos, essentially changing history and overwriting the timeline. Thus the previous timeline where Lavos succeded in destroying the world has been completely erased due to the paradox. However, said timeline was about to return, overwriting the one that Crono and his friends have fought to "create", if it wasn't from FATE sending this timeline back to the void from where it belongs, killing Miguel and whoever was still inside it, meaning that the Darkness Beyond Time is the place where deleted timelines go to rot, as also explained in this CRT.
The Darkness Beyond Time requires to go beyond space and time to access it, as it exists beyond the borders of time and lacks a beginning or an end, with everything being reduced to nothing there.
Meaning that the Darkness beyond time is above Low 1-C range, whenever is 5D or 6D.
Who scales?
For now only the Time Devourer in his "eventually" tier. Lavos' normal range will change from "Interdimensional" to "Low Complex Multiversal" and nothing else kek.
Votes
Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus (5D, likely 6D cosmology and above baseline range), @PrinceofPein (5D cosmology and above baseline range), @ThanatosX and TheGreatJedi13 (5D cosmology and above baseline range), Rakih_Elyan (5D cosmology), Vietthai96 (5D, possibly 6D cosmology), Maverick_Zero_X (5D cosmology)
Disagree: @PrinceofPein (6D cosmology), TheGreatJedi13 (6D cosmology), Rakih_Elyan (6D cosmology)
Neutral: @ThanatosX (6D cosmology), Maverick_Zero_X (6D cosmology)
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