Honestly not even sure if that calc is valid to begin with, given that punches require proper body technique and training to pull off right.
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So...is that the only case where we don't allow an irl phenomenon to take place in a vs battle?
But that calc is KE using a 475 lbs man, I did a KE calc using the average weight of a human with the highest end of our average human speed and got just over 104.75 joules, which is near baseline athletic human
That involves changing tier boundaries entirely (Which will need its own CRT, it can't be done here) and still doesn't tell us how far we'd need to go to one-shot even then.
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Well we could just use our 10-B to 9-C difference multiplier again, the whole reason it’s being called into question here is because “regular” humans can punch at 9-C levels, but that isn’t the case based on my post above
I don't think a single conclusion has been reached at all
We haven't came across one from the looks of it so far
We still need to change it regardless
With what else is there for a minimum one shot value? We'd likely have even more exaggerated multipliers that you don't necessarily need in order to one shot.
How do you change something that has nothing else to fall back onto other than a case-by-case basis?
7.5 is more of a value to knock someone unconscious from a single hit then a instakill.
That still counts as a one-shot, you don't necessarily need to lethally kill someone for that
I thought you were speaking solely about the 7.5 value having problems.
A one shot table for specific parts of the body would be more plausible than making 7.5 the standard for the entire body.
Wasn't that the point of this thread?
And now you seek to change it despite having no solid value to rely upon.
Not even remotely so, simply because of the inconsistencies of durability in fiction treating all parts of the body linearly and making them all the same durability. IRL you'd suffer massive internal damage if you took a punch directly regardless of how strong you were, because our organs aren't solid bricks of steel, they're very fragile bags of flesh, yet in fiction characters do gut punches and punches to the face and head on a regular basis, often times with 3-A levels of power, and their internal organs have to survive said blunt-force trauma otherwise they'd literally be dead within seconds after they land blows on each other.
Define "automatically be defeated".
Automatically be defeated In my view is the damage received is so great that someone would die or go comatose. They wouldn't be alive or conscious for another second after the hit. This is what most people think of one shot (immediate death).
You don't necessarily have to suffer mortal wounds for it to be considered a one-shot, just that the character has to be damaged well enough to no longer have any strength left to fight back, willpower not included.
I see. But when you put it that way. It still take sat least more than one 7.5 times stronger hit to be lethal till that point.
Which I've already pointed out doesn't necessarily need to be
You did?
This is pressure, not joules.
