Challenging High 6-B Fairy Tail

[CinCameron20]

@Matthew - An inaccurate assessment.

Yes, my initial post called out high 6-B via statement as being ridiculous/Hyperbole (and my early comments), as the linked Scan in OP showed a 6-C tier explosion. As the thread went on, I learned more about the context and other feats.

Also, you said it yourself: Etherion can destroy a "country". Ilia is a country--the smallest one. Why are we using Fiore which is more than double its diameter? Especially when the biggest feat of Etherion has a blast radius less than half of the radius of Ilia in the first place.

I'm not ignoring the manga. You don't see that, though.

If you'd hadn't noticed, I dropped the Hyperbole argument ages ago.

 

[TriforcePower1]

1) Because Fiore is a country. And why exactly should we pick the low-end and not average?

2) The problem is that the blast was still growing. We see that the Eterion's ray is still outputting energy, meaning that the explosion wasn't completed yet.

3) Then pick average country, not the smallest one just because you want to downgrade the verse

 

[DodoNova2]

• From what I've heard, Fiore is one of the smallest
• So, you say that according to your calculation, the explosion does not include a whole country when the manga says it several times, logic
• I think that averaging the explosion of all countries is a good thing at least it will avoid a Low End
• I do not know the feat in seven so I can not answer lol

@BlackeJa We are talking about calc also...

 

[CinCameron20]

@Dodo - You are twisting words around. I wont say it again after this.

1) There are 4 countries smaller than Fiore. I literally posted the world map.

2) How about you look at the image I linked in the calculation instead of playing around with sarcasm? That's the feat in Seven, and Etherion's best known feat. It very CLEARLY doesn't cover an entire country.

 

[Antvasima]

Given that Fiore is a small country relative to others in the Fairy Tail world, I think that it should be used as a gauge.

 

[BlackeJan]

I don't know what you want us to do BlackeJan. We have already seen that blog post.

Oh so u guys r talking about Cin's calc righ....now I feel bad

 

[Soldier_Blue]

I agree with Matthew on Etherion. I disagree with some of the High 6-B character ratings (besides Acnologia), but I agree on Etherion being a legit country buster.

Besides Etherion's country busting capability being repeatedly shoved down our throats, there is the fact that the Alvarez empire (which has at least three High 6-Cs among their ranks) put off invading Ishgar for a long time because of their super-weapons. Alvarez decided to invade Ishgar only after they were sure that Etherion wouldn't be a threat to them (due to the Magic Council being destroyed).

It makes no sense for Etherion to be in the 6-C to High 6-C ballpark with three High 6-C characters being afraid of the weapon.

 

[CinCameron20]

"Character says this and that". I KNOW, and I already posted images of Etherion's blast radius being drastically smaller than any of the countries, but okay.

 

[BlackeJan]

Well I all honestly that Calc looks good but the other Calc also looks good....why don't we find a middle ground?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

So the blast is the inconsistency seeing as it contradicts every statement and the entire plot, rather than the entire plot and every statement and logic being inconsitent.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Matthew - that'd be a fair argument... except there's other displays like the one in the OP where the blast doesn't cover an entire country either.

 

[Antvasima]

@BlackeJan

It might be best if you stop interfering.

@All

So, should we keep the profiles as they are, and close this thread, or let DodoNova2 get his calculation placed in a blog and evaluated?

 

[CinCameron20]

@Ant - I'm still fairly adamant on my point that if there are several feats from Etherion that don't line up with the statements made, we shouldn't have High 6-B scaling to Fiore or even 6-B when scaling to Ilia.

 

[BlackeJan]

Ok....we get different results on Etherion & it's goving everyone a headache....no matter what it's still a country buster so like I said BEFORE why don't we try & find a middle ground here since we found a calc that's lower the High 6B (no matter what country we Calc that's small it's gonna be different)

 

[DodoNova2]

@Dodo - You are twisting words around. I wont say it again after this.
1) There are 4 countries smaller than Fiore. I literally posted the world map.

2) How about you look at the image I linked in the calculation instead of playing around with sarcasm? That's the feat in Seven, and Etherion's best known feat. It very CLEARLY doesn't cover an entire country.

• Okay, they are the average of all countries bust
• I think this is a good point. But unfortunately that is not enough,

The explosion is not necessarily over, it is still growing, the same way that the photos in the OP that does not reach its final size or even the size of the explosion you have show

and also contradict the plot

 

[Antvasima]

@CinCameron20

Well, you seem to be outvoted this time. It has happened recurrently to myself as well.

 

[BlackeJan]

Can someone tell me how u guys r able 2 tell if the explosion is still growing? It's in manga so how could y'all tell

 

[CinCameron20]

@Soldier - i'm not arguing for 6-C Etherion. The calculation I posted places it at Low 6-B+ for NTF.

 

[Mindovin]

My suggestion

Calc smallest country and calc largest country.

Tier: Low 6-B possibly higher at most 6-A and matching attack potency with a link to the calc blog or something similar. If someone wants it they can calc every country.

Note: Numbers randomly selected and I never watch/read Fairy Tail.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

@CinCameron

I would like to point out that the Magic Council was wary of destroying that island with Etherion for fear of causing country wide destruction. They're afraid of the kind of power Etherion can unleash. The fact that the wielders of the weapon itself are afraid of causing country-wide destruction should be enough to indicate that the statements are not mere hyperbole.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

@Soldier - i'm not arguing for 6-C Etherion. The calculation I posted places it at Low 6-B+ for NTF.

Okay then. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we close this thread? I would appreciate if DodoNova2 could place his calculation in a blog though, with included scaling images.

 

[DodoNova2]

I will do it as soon as possible

 

[Soldier_Blue]

I will do it as soon as possible

Thank you for the help.

 

[BlackeJan]

So....did we find an answer/agreement?

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Yes. DodoNova will make a blog. And we'll agree on which results to apply later. Well, whichever the calc group members approve.

 

[BlackeJan]

Alright well hopefully we will be told of the calc

 

[BlackeJan]

So what conclusion did we reach?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Looks like High 6-B is gonna stay.

 

[BlackeJan]

Really? Where's the blog at?

 

[BlackeJan]

My suggestion

Calc smallest country and calc largest country.

Tier: Low 6-B possibly higher at most 6-A and matching attack potency with a link to the calc blog or something similar. If someone wants it they can calc every country.

Note: Numbers randomly selected and I never watch/read Fairy Tail.

Is this a good one?

 

[TriforcePower1]

I think we already agreed to keep Etherion High 6-B

 

[CinCameron20]

Uh, we did not agree upon that.

Also, i've heard that my calc was rejected. Where was it rejected? I don't see it here unless i'm blind.

 

[BlackeJan]

Uh, we did not agree upon that.

I don't think u got my message on the wall dude but the calc was rejected unless u have another way of doing a different & acceptable calcing & getting the same results, then High 6-B will remain

 

[Antvasima]

The premise of the calculation was rejected here. We want a calculation based on Fiore's size instead.

 

[CinCameron20]

It was "rejected" by Dodo and Matt.

Like I've said before, the scans never said it would envelope Fiore. They said "a country". I don't see why we'd have to use Fiore when there are 4 other countries of smaller size.

But Widespread Destruction and Near-Total fatalities for Fiore is 31.95TT (6-B) and somewhere in High 6-B respectively.

 

[BlackeJan]

The premise of the calculation was rejected here. We want a calculation based on Fiore's size instead.

Actually he did use Fiore for the calc but tbh I feel that they should be 6-B or 6-B+. Cin is right however since no one ever said it can destroy Fiore but a country so we should calc the other countries that r smaller then Fiore & see what we get. If we were to get a low 6-B the I would suggest meeting in the middle

 

[CinCameron20]

I did not use Fiore for the calc. How many times must i repeat myself?

 

[BlackeJan]

I did not use Fiore for the calc. How many times must i repeat myself?

Could had sworn U did. I looked at the calc & there was a pic of Fiore w/ a line going down it

 

[Antvasima]

I think that a country of roughly average Fairy Tail world size seems better to use. In fact, isn't Fiore a fairly small country comparatively speaking?