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Bleach TYBW Anime Cour 1 AP/Durability Revisions

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Again, the Asauchi challenge is heavily implied by Ohetsu not to test the individual's strength or how much they understand their power ('cause during the challenge they're not even using their zampakuto (their power), they're both broken and unusable). The test is instead implied to test their conviction in themselves/their own identity - it's the whole reason Ohetsu sent Ichigo away to find himself in the first place, and why he aced the test once he returned
Imma give my 2 cents. So the thing is right, ohetsu sent them down to fight the Asauchi. The challenge there isn’t the Asauchi beating them or not, it’s to see if they will get accepted or not. That’s what’s the test is about. However, them being relative via fighting the same Asauchi isn’t contingent on if the test was of power or of character, really.
 
Idk if this is relevant to this thread, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't bankai Yamamoto stated to be clashing with past Almighty Yhwach who is like star lvl. Why is Bankai Yama only country lvl here. Or am I reading the chart wrong? I am not caught up with the anime.
 
Idk if this is relevant to this thread, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't bankai Yamamoto stated to be clashing with past Almighty Yhwach who is like star lvl. Why is Bankai Yama only country lvl here. Or am I reading the chart wrong? I am not caught up with the anime.
Bankai Yama is 1 Yottaton planet level on that chart, and possibly 5 Yottatons large planet level
 
dk if this is relevant to this thread, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't bankai Yamamoto stated to be clashing with past Almighty Yhwach who is like star lvl. Why is Bankai Yama only country lvl here. Or am I reading the chart wrong? I am not caught up with the anime.
He’s planetary to possibly large planetary there…

also, no, that was never stated.
 
Idk if this is relevant to this thread, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't bankai Yamamoto stated to be clashing with past Almighty Yhwach who is like star lvl. Why is Bankai Yama only country lvl here. Or am I reading the chart wrong? I am not caught up with the anime.
He didn't used Almighty when fought Yama. And Almighty is hax not AP.
 
He didn't used Almighty when fought Yama. And Almighty is hax not AP.
Yes but he became star lvl after he regained his entire power as mentioned in the prophecy right? and then he was able to stab soul king who is star lvl. So initial Yhwach who didn't lose any power should be star lvl in AP. Which means Bankai Yama should be star lvl.
 
Yes but he became star lvl after he regained his entire power as mentioned in the prophecy right? and then he was able to stab soul king who is star lvl. So initial Yhwach who didn't lose any power should be star lvl in AP. Which means Bankai Yama should be star lvl.
It was not talking about his thousands year old power. It's about almighty. He didn't opened his eyes. Please read the chapter again.
 
My initial comment was about AP. Not sure why you're bringing up Hax. Is his star lvl AP dependent on his almighty?
?? Yhwach never said he was stronger than his current Self.

Base Yhwach ~ Bankai Yama ( Tybw ) > Old Bankai Yama > old Yhwach without Almighty

What you are trying to say doesn't make sense.
 
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Why is Base current Yhwach > Base old Yhwach if he just regained his lost power according to the prophecy? He shouldn't get any stronger than before. How did he go from being planet lvl to stabbing soul king who is star lvl. This is what I'm confused about.
 
Why is Base current Yhwach > Base old Yhwach if he just regained his lost power according to the prophecy? He shouldn't get any stronger than before. How did he go from being planet lvl to stabbing soul king who is star lvl. This is what I'm confused about.
Feats says so. It's already in the OP check it.
 
Why is Base current Yhwach > Base old Yhwach if he just regained his lost power according to the prophecy? He shouldn't get any stronger than before. How did he go from being planet lvl to stabbing soul king who is star lvl. This is what I'm confused about.
Also it's funny old sasakibe had enough AP to Stab old Base Yhwach. Unless you want to say Royd durability > Old Yhwach > current Yhwach
 
Also it's funny old sasakibe had enough AP to Stab old Base Yhwach. Unless you want to say Royd durability > Old Yhwach > current Yhwach
This is exactly my confusion. How is this possible? "Feats says so" doesn't cut it. We need to make sense of given info or deem it inconsistent.
 
What's your confusion exactly?.
Current Yhwach who stabbed soul king (should already be star lvl)= Yhwach 1000 years ago before he lost anything ~ Bankai Yama etc. So Bankai Yama should be star lvl. Also the point mentioned above by EldemadeDityjon about Sasakibe.
 
Current Yhwach who stabbed soul king (should already be star lvl)= Yhwach 1000 years ago before he lost anything ~ Bankai Yama etc. So Bankai Yama should be star lvl. Also the point mentioned above by EldemadeDityjon about Sasakibe.
We only consider Yhwach having Star level AP when he activates his current version of the Almighty as explained on the profile itself, Yama doesn't fight against that version of Almighty Yhwach, so he wouldn't scale to the value we have for WSK like Almighty Yhwach does.
 
We only consider Yhwach having Star level AP when he activates his current version of the Almighty as explained on the profile itself, Yama doesn't fight against that version of Almighty Yhwach, so he wouldn't scale to the value we have for WSK.
Alright so, I haven't been active on VSBW so I won't unnecessarily bother you. But a couple of things.
  1. Could you link me the thread where it was discussed why Almighty also has AP and not just hax?
  2. Why did you mention "current version". Didn't he just regain his previous power that he lost? Why is there a difference?
  3. (Edit: Some) Links on Yhwach's profile don't seem to be working. At least the ones in AP.
 
Alright so, I haven't been active on VSBW so I won't unnecessarily bother you. But a couple of things.
  1. Could you link me the thread where it was discussed why Almighty also has AP and not just hax?
  2. Why did you mention "current version". Didn't he just regain his previous power that he lost? Why is there a difference?
  3. (Edit: Some) Links on Yhwach's profile don't seem to be working. At least the ones in AP.
Yhwach Absorbed powers from characters like masaki and other powerfull Quincies. You know that should already give him one hell of an Amp and Base Yhwach states he is already above other Stern's which includes Royd who could put up a fight against low end relative to
This is exactly my confusion. How is this possible? "Feats says so" doesn't cut it. We need to make sense of given info or deem it inconsistent.
Shikai Yama.

Bankai Yama x5 > Shikai Yama
Yhwach with Blut 5x > Base Yhwach > Royd ~< Shikai Yama < Bankai Yama > Old Bankai Yama > Old Yhwach.
 
And Almighty is hax not AP.
Incorrect, this has been continually Discussed on the wiki and shown to be wrong. The almighty blatantly amps Yhwach’s attack potency and physicals


Why is Base current Yhwach > Base old Yhwach if he just regained his lost power according to the prophecy?
Rewatch the cour and find out…


Bankai Yama x5 > Shikai Yama
This is only “possibly” for now


Could you link me the thread where it was discussed why Almighty also has AP and not just hax?
My brother in the Reiō… he literally goes from being shat on by Ichibēi to one shotting him with a telekinetic attack and stabbing the sealed Reiō…

this same Reiō is relative to Butterfly Aizen, who’s far far far above regular shinigami like Bankai Yamamoto. If he can go from being stabbed by ******* Sasakibe of all people and dying to Yamamoto specifically holding back his Bankai and withholding his true power… it’s ******* obvious the almighty gives him an amp.
 
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Are you sure Post-Gantonden Ichigo isn't above Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō Ichigo? Because that is what Kirio's statement meant that as she wasn't being specific on the version of Ichigo.
No, that Ichigo isn't above Mugetsu. Only True Zanpakuto Ichigo is.
 
No, that Ichigo isn't above Mugetsu. Only True Zanpakuto Ichigo is.
Anime Continuity =/= Manga Continuity, True Zanpakuto Ichigo was stated by Zero Division was stated to be still weaker than both Bankai Yamamoto and Base Yhwach in the Anime Continuity which is never stated in the Manga Continuity.
 
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Ichibe implied Base Yhwach is still a threat to True Shikai Ichigo.
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He further implied that other Shinigami are still stronger than Ichigo.
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Ichigo is currently training to surpass other Shinigamis.

Bankai Yamamoto > Base Yhwach > True Shikai Ichigo
 
True Shikai>=Mugetsu via Yhwach statement.
Anime hasn’t gotten there yet, in the manga that was after Ichigo did all the Reiokyu training, he hasn’t completed Reiokyu training yet. His current TS self just scales unquantifiably above his FB Bankai.
 
It’s the same continuity, the manga just off-screened the training.

It is still early to call that Ichigo as “true zanpakuto”, given the actual (true zanpakuto) is obtained when he cut Yhwach at the end. Let alone calling already this Ichigo true zanpakuto when Ichibei point out is still within the limits of shinigami. Ichigo is still training in order to unlock his potential. This ain’t the true shikai we see in the manga Already fully trained.

also brining up this stuff now is pretty much useless. Just wait the anime to catch up to those points.
 
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