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Bleach Revisions: Thousand Year Blood War

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Yeah. He should also be superior to a base Bazz-B. Pretty much all the non-fodder Sternritter is comparable to him.

Edit:mad:Piercer I'm honestly confused as to how you worked that out. I'm only seeing the abusing of multiplier which Bleach shouldn't have any sans the limiter.
 
Piercer of Heaven said:
Is no one going to acknowledge the comment I made on the scaling of High Tiers like Shingami Aizen, Gin and etc?
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Sorry. Missed that one.

Anyway, I'm not against scaling Bankai Ichigo with Hollow Mask to 6-C after his return from Hueco Mundo to fake Karakura. He did slice Aizen's torso nearly in half. And Aizen acknowledged that his reiatsu had indeed developed well even over the course of his time in Las Noches. But I'd like to see what LordAizenSama and Kuuichigo have to say.
 
KuuIchigo said:
Yeah. He should also be superior to a base Bazz-B. Pretty much all the non-fodder Sternritter is comparable to him.

Edit:mad:Piercer I'm honestly confused as to how you worked that out. I'm only seeing the abusing of multiplier which Bleach shouldn't have any sans the limiter.
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It's quite straight forward. There's no multiplier abuse, I addressed that separately.

Post-Skip Unpatched Kenpachi scales to Bankai Tōshirō's 63 Gigatons feat.

Unohana killed him several times before they could fight on even ground, so, she is At least Island level+

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YG_1HQjLY...O2beWdmLR7Z-Tvd7U12dfwCHM/s16000/0382-003.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pdVWyCEUr...TP7iJtlMN9OwChqKZwwEcQCHM/s16000/0382-004.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P1vIFjk33...MjIZqsv9ZHLGd1YwmsZ8LACHM/s16000/0382-005.png

FKT Bankai Ichigo has over twice as much reiatsu as Unohana, so he gets At least Large Island level, with Hollowfication he's likely higher, nothing complicated here.
 
Only when he stopped restricting himself at the very end is when he is island level+ (the part where he could finally here his Zanpaktou).

I don't think Ichigo even scales at this point so him having more reiatsu at that point would just make whatever he is now get an "at least".
 
Yeah give me a while since I'm not only changing the stats, but adding new stuff in like reasonings, keys, and fixing other stuff if I see them.
 
Post-Skip Unpatched Kenpachi should not be weaker than Post-Skip Bankai Tōshirō.

Kenpachi after lifting his mental restraints would be Multi-Continent level for being superior to 1 Gremmy.

I don't really understand what you're saying but FKT Bankai Ichigo had twice as much reiatsu as Unohana, so he would be twice as powerful as her and she scales to 63 Gigatons. 63×2=126 Gigatons=Large Island level.
 
Would twice as much reiatsu even mean 2x AP in the first place.

One can have more energy at his disposal without having greater attacking power.
 
No. Calc stacking is completely different. Doing a lot of edits shouldn't be a reason to disregard key scaling in Manga.

There are also issues with the Espada:

Top 3 are implied to be close in power:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wfiFWRhuU...zuvyoD32OtAhjHp7lChWvQCHM/s16000/0316-007.png

Harribel scales to Tōshirō's Mountain level+ feat, therefore, Barragan and Starrk should also scale to Mountain level+.

Scaling Starrk to Island level+ is faulty because it contradicts the statement about the Top 3 being extremely close in power and relies on the assumptions that Post-Skip Bankai Tōshirō is still weaker than Shikai Shunsui.

Yammy would either be At least Mountain level+ or just Mountain level+, he's Espada 0. In his second form, he would scale to At least Small Island level/Small Island level based on his Reiryoku doubling:

https://imgur.com/gallery/4864j

Pre-Skip Unpatched Kenpachi and Bankai Byakuya would scale to his second form.

Scaling Zommari to Byakuya's Bankai is also faulty as Zommari took massive damage from the attack, which is not a tanking feat. Byakuya also finished him off without using Bankai.

Tōsen is a Director General, he should not be below any of the Espada. His Sealed state would scale to whatever the strongest Sealed Espada scales to and his Hollowfication should scale above Yammy, which would make him At least Small Island level. With Resurrección, he would get a likely higher.
 
Blanked said:
Would twice as much reiatsu even mean 2x AP in the first place.
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As with power levels in Dragon Ball, AP doesn't appear to scale linearly with reiatsu. Aizen has twice as much reiatsu as an average captain and, by extension, roughly twenty times as much as an average Lieutenant. But the AP difference between him and an average captain is nearly a hundred fold per our calculations. And the AP difference between Aizen and an average Lieutenant (if you consider the Town level+ Ikkaku/Edrad calc) is a million fold.
 
ALRF said:
Uh but you are using results from another calc...
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Applying stated multipliers has never been considered calc stacking. Calc stacking is using the results of one calc to find the results of another. That mostly applies to speed calcs.
 
Ulquiorra, Harribel, Baraggan all being close in power is believable. These three are all just superior to the average captain in Bankai. But Starrk is usually very relaxed and does not appear to exert his true power. Just the fact that he can go toe to toe with a Shikai using Kyoraku even with a hole in his chest is impressive. The number one in a group being so far above those below him is nothing new in Shounen series. Look at Younger Toguro, Captain Ginyu, even Bleach's own Gotei 13 Captains above their respective squad Lieutenants.
 
@Soldier Blue It's not that reiatsu and AP do not scale linearly, (Gentai Kaijo debunks that), it's that we cannot quantify it via the little feats we are given.

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Both Shunsui and Starrk were relaxed for the most part of the fight but it is pretty much stated that he's extremely close to Harribel and Barragan and nothing really contradicts that.
 
The four of them are likely Vasto Lorde, so they are likely close to each other
 
PaChi2 said:
The four of them are likely Vasto Lorde, so they are likely close to each other
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Huh? Just because they are the same class of Hollow doesn't mean they're close in power. Look at the Adjuchas class. They range from barely seated officer level (Di Roy Rinker) to Grimmjow (who is Bankai Ichigo level even in his sealed state).
 
Well, Im not saying that Starrk isnt above them, tho. Just that the difference isnt that big as a captain to their lieutenient or Yamamoto to the rest of the captains.
 
Also, Bazz-B's profile is a bit wrong. It states that he fought Tōshirō in Bankai, which is the reasoning for his stats but that's not true. He only fought (stomped) Shikai Tōshirō.
 
Piercer of Heaven said:
Also, Bazz-B's profile is a bit wrong. It states that he fought Tōshirō in Bankai, which is the reasoning for his stats but that's not true. He only fought (stomped) Shikai Tōshirō.
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Yeah, I noticed that some minutes ago. Going to remove it.

But he was confident he would stomp Bankai Hitsugaya as well.
 
@Blanked The power gained from a Resurrección doesn't change between Espada. The only exception is Yammy.

@Soldier Blue Shunsui defeated him without Bankai anyways.
 
@Pirecer I wasn't even talking about resurre thing. They were suppressing their powers before the true battle started.

And him beating Stark first through a surprise stab in the back and later thx to hax is not very notable. He was even helped by ukitake during the first part of the battle.
 
@Piercer Yes, they were all suppressed.

The important things are that Shunsui took a point-blank Cero from Starrk with virtually no damage and countered his wolves, which are literally pieces of Starrk's soul, with his Shikai attacks.
 
Bazz B should be still 6-C+ considering Shikai Hitsugaya was utterly incapable of damaging him in any way and this was without Vollständig amd with utmost ease, this would be consistent with Shunsui being > Toshiro as he fought Shikai Yamamoto and Lille who should be stronger than Bazz & who defeated some of the squad Zero in base
 
I return to this thread and find Calc-stacking and creating a mess out of the scaling. Agree with Soldier Blue that we cannot use it.
 
Applying stated multipliers is always a bad idea when they are demonstrably not linear and **** up the scaling of calcs.

This is no different from using power levels in Dragon Ball. Continent level humans if we treat it as linear.
 
@Matthew Schroeder That's not the same thing as calc stacking. However, the difference here is that reiatsu and stats are directly proportional and linear. Refer to the release of Gentai Kaijo.
 
The DB multipliers are pretty surely not linear, though. The difference between King Piccolo and Piccolo is only 1.3x at the beginning of Dragon Ball, but one is a city-buster and the other is a small-planet buster.

However, i agree that applying multipliers in an attempt to get a PL is a no-go. I agree with Soldier Blue and Matt here.
 
Human power levels are 5, which is 10-B [The same as Infant Goku and relaxed Trunks in Mecha Frieza Saga]. Power levels in DB only matter for Saiyan Saga DBZ to Frieza Saga with very little of Android and Buu Saga.
 
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