Bleach Revisions Part 3: Post-Timeskip (Fullbring, TYBW and CFYOW Novel) (Part 2)

[Baldurgate]

The Hikone who fought Grimmjow should not be the same one that lost to Hisagi.

EDIT: I'm referring to the first key to base Hikone before the final battle against Tokinada.

Yeah, i know. Still we have:

Base Hikone( from Hueco Mundo) > femritters in base

Arrancars in base > Base Hikone( from Hueco Mundo).

Nel&Tier >= Grimmjow

Base Grimmjow ~ Shikai Ginjo&Tsukishima

Ressurection Hikone >= Bankai Ginjo


So, all we need is calculating multipliers for bankai Ginjo, and with it, we will know how strong is ressurection Grim.

 

[USklaverei]

Was Hikone Base not fighting Resurrección Grimmjow, Harribel and Neliel later?
It has evolved a lot compared to the first appearance.

Femritters must scale for his first appearance in the case, which would be at least FTL

 

[Elizhaa]

I am not to familiar with the speed scaling in Bleach in but I think AnonymousBlank's and Damage's recent arguments make sense so far; I think getting a proper summary on the topic would be necessary have a proper conclusion.

The AP's proposals look to be fine.

 

[Baldurgate]

Hikone later not fighting them, but they fight in release versus Ikomikidomoe, who was ~ base Hikone in power(last version). With little help from quincy's(and big from NaNaNa), they oneshotted him with 8GRC +Desgarron combo.

Speed for femritters?Yeah, sure. But attack? They can't even scratch his first base form...

Base Femritters still can be in the same Tier with base espadas/Ginjo. But yeah, we have big gap between them.

 

[Omimi]

The AP's proposals look to be fine.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Yamamoto's_Bankai:_Zanka_no_Tachi

this calc in op was not accepted or need 1 more CGM to accept it since


DMUA accepted the high-end but damage rejected it

 

[Zoro21043]

I noticed sth in chapter 38 when a hollow appears infornt of chad and chad still couldnt see hollows well he describes what he saw as heat waves , and later on when ichigo faught white in his inner world for the first time he notes that the swords reiatsu is burning the atmosphere , and when ichigo got his new zanpakutos in tybw it was said by nimaya that it has so much reiatsu that it took a whole sea to cool it down , and yamamotos reiatsu produced 15 mil degrees of heat , so would god tiers get sth added ,cuz reiatsu = heat ? im assuming yama didnt have good control as he was old and had lost an arm and thats why the other god tiers didnt burn the things around them

 

[Damage3245]

@Elizhaa; thanks for commenting.

 

[Jo-Smooth]

I noticed sth in chapter 38 when a hollow appears infornt of chad and chad still couldnt see hollows well he describes what he saw as heat waves , and later on when ichigo faught white in his inner world for the first time he notes that the swords reiatsu is burning the atmosphere , and when ichigo got his new zanpakutos in tybw it was said by nimaya that it has so much reiatsu that it took a whole sea to cool it down , and yamamotos reiatsu produced 15 mil degrees of heat , so would god tiers get sth added ,cuz reiatsu = heat ? im assuming yama didnt have good control as he was old and had lost an arm and thats why the other god tiers didnt burn the things around them

Not sure what to say about the rest of the pose, but Yama is specifically heat and fire based, the other's aren't. And Yama should have the highest amount of control when it comes to heat among Shinigami at least as he's the strongest/most experienced besides squad 0 in the early phase of the TYBW

 

[Elizhaa]

Ok, Omni, I see the issue on the calculation topic so I asked other Calculation group members like Therefir and Ugarik to give their evaluation on the blog to reach a good consensus.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Bump.

 

[Damage3245]

Since Elizhaa has asked for a proper summary regarding the speed ratings point, I'll convert AnonymousBlank's scaling proposal into ratings & justifications to make it clearer what characters would end up scaling to.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Ok.

 

[Sekkonds.]

Hope we can reach a conclusion before april 15

 

[USklaverei]

It will only wait, the way they mess with it, it won't come until May

 

[The_mysterious_man]

You are so optimistic to believe this will be concluded this year

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

And there's still the anime and movies to do

 

[AppleLord]

Country level (Cut off Tsukishima's arm, cracked Orihime's shield that was able to tank a cero from Vasto Lorde Ichigo)

You forgot to add this part.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Country level (Cut off Tsukishima's arm, cracked Orihime's shield that was able to tank a cero from Vasto Lorde Ichigo)

You forgot to add this part.

Well...Tanked the Shockwave from the Cero mostly the after effect not the actual blast

 

[Damage3245]

And only tanked a fraction of the Cero's shockwave at that, unless I'm mistaken.

 

[AppleLord]

Weren't Uryu and Orihime in the area near the towers? The cero covered almost half of the dome.I need to check.

 

[AppleLord]

I verified chapters 352-354 and Orihime kneel in the same position from when she used the shield. Uryu goes up to Vasto Lorde stops his sword and gets stabbed. Ulquiorra jumps and cut Ichigo's horn and he falls next to Orihime. Orihime's didn't took the center blast because that was obviously meant for Ulquiorra but she tank the AoE that the cero created.

 

[Vertius_x]

This is just my take on it, but the explosion from Ichigo's barely charged cero when Ulquiorra cut his horn was pretty small, at least from the scans I saw, and I'm not sure why Inoue's shield blocking the air pressure from that explosion is impressive? Maybe I'm just missing something, but that doesn't really seem like a noteworthy feat in my eyes, certainly not country level.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

This is just my take on it, but the explosion from Ichigo's barely charged cero when Ulquiorra cut his horn was pretty small, at least from the scans I saw, and I'm not sure why Inoue's shield blocking the air pressure from that explosion is impressive? Maybe I'm just missing something, but that doesn't really seem like a noteworthy feat in my eyes, certainly not country level.

It's not from that one it's the one where he executes Ulquiorra. Along with all the countless clashes, speaking...Her even surviving being thrown out by that wind current when VL Ichigo swung his sword downwards...Actually...Was she thrown or did she jump ? I think she was thrown but it looks more like she jumped away

 

[Vertius_x]

She was thrown, it's why Ishida had to catch her.

 

[Tyri456]

have we reached some sort of conclusion or summary?

 

[Damage3245]

Still working on writing out an elaborated scaling explanation with ratings and justifications for what AnonymousBlank has suggested further up the thread, but I've been a bit busy lately.

 

[Elizhaa]

No problem, just take the proper that you need Damage

 

[USklaverei]

One thousand years later...

 

[Damage3245]

One thousand years later...

I was hoping that AnonymousBlank would have come back to the thread. My workload hasn't decreased much in the past few days.

It's unlikely this discussion will be finished anyway before the forum move seeing as we'd still need to discuss the proposed ratings when they're done.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Would you imagine that, our work is opposed for nearly a month by some people and now no progress was made at all even now.

 

[Damage3245]

@Sigurd; yup. Massive verse revisions tend to take a while, especially when the proposals have been as in dire need of revising as these ones have been.

 

[Elizhaa]

If I may ask, the Attack Potency's discussion is overall agreed unlike the speed's?

 

[Damage3245]

@Elizhaa; I haven't really looked at the Attack Potency side of things yet. I've been more focused on discussing the speed ratings & justifications.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

If I may ask, the Attack Potency's discussion is overall agreed unlike the speed's?

There was no discussion. Both threads arguing over justification over 4 characters lmao.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

@Damage

Sorry about that. I have been swamped with irl work and only have time to look at a few threads. I am off Monday so I should be able to do some of the scaling then. Just gotta find out what the specific numbers are for each character so they get the right speed tiers (what with all the multipliers). Speaking of, what number do Soifon and Byakuya scale to in FKT?

 

[USklaverei]

I was hoping that AnonymousBlank would have come back to the thread. My workload hasn't decreased much in the past few days.

It's unlikely this discussion will be finished anyway before the forum move seeing as we'd still need to discuss the proposed ratings when they're done.

In fact, it was what they really wanted, just postpone it.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

A bit crazy if anything

 

[Antvasima]

Have you reached any agreements/conclusions here?

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

I don't think so...

 

[Damage3245]

Have you reached any agreements/conclusions here?

The revisions are still ongoing.