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It does, yhwach couldnt say his name even before ichibei took it
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Bleach high godly and concept hax
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Reishi is the fundamental of the verse(Mind, Soul etc) , but there is not enough evidence that Reishi consists of information type 2. Do not distort explanation . As the expressions get mixed up, our job gets harder.
Hellscream
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Buddy.
The entire verse is made up out of reishi.
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the wol isnt completely made up out of reishi like the other 2 realms
Hellscream
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Memories / knowledge isn't what's being argued tho?
Reishi is what makes up space, the laws, souls, which is what everything in the verse is made up of.
The garganta itself is made up out of reishi.
All the fundamental information that makes up the verse itself, is contained within reishi
If reishi solely contained memories / knowledge then it wouldn't qualify for info type 2, but that is not the case here.
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Yhwach did said his name in the end. Almighty null the ink.
My point it only affects the specific target's memories, and existence. It doesn't affect the whole Bleach timeline or existence. In the Howls From The Jaws Of Hell Arc chapter 0 characters can still remember Yhwach. Ichibei in the Can't Fear Your Own World Arc flashbacks to the TYBW, before this new arc, rename Yhwach's entire corpse to "Reio" but that didn't affect anyone at all besides that specific target.
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Everything in the wol has a soul even kishi/matter, non-living objects, tables, telephone poles, chairs, glass, water, etc. All souls are reishi constructs.
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Just to let everyone know i'm starting to get a cold, so i probably won't be responding much to this thread, should hopefully be over in a couple days.
azontr
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What Pennsylvania weather does to a mf
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@Deceived3596 The difference between illusion and reality doesn’t really explain how that involves literal information that is the fundamental block of reality. That part sounds like massive headcanon unless you can prove it involves actually controlling information itself.
First main point is just physics manipulation, nothing about this remotely proves that information itself is comprised of the fundamental blocks of reality, just that everything in bleach has a soul, which kind of shoots high godly in the foot here. As for the response to Planck I don’t really see how this proves information itself being created from the ground up, or how reishi is composed of literal info. You just prove that Fullbringers can manipulate anything into a soul and they control physics.
The yukio scan doesn’t really help here given it’s a specific thing he does and nothing about it mentions reishi is composed of data/info.
Not sure how the Soul King being separated into separate beings help here when pernida and the rest aren’t stated to be made of literal information.
This just sounds like power absorption, nothing about this proves literal information that’s the fundamental part of one’s existence is a part of Reishi.
Yeah carving your memories isn’t the same as literal type 2 information.
Space and Laws mean nothing here, especially when the argument is talking about literal information that’s the building block of existence.
as for the supporting points:
The being consuming items just sounds like information analysis, this doesn’t really prove reishi is composed of information.
The pernida stuff is the only one I see that has some form of mention on information, but again this doesn’t remotely prove that reishi itself is composed of literal information, just that it can absorb info to grow stronger.
I’ll respond to any future counter points once I get off from school.
First main point is just physics manipulation, nothing about this remotely proves that information itself is comprised of the fundamental blocks of reality, just that everything in bleach has a soul, which kind of shoots high godly in the foot here. As for the response to Planck I don’t really see how this proves information itself being created from the ground up, or how reishi is composed of literal info. You just prove that Fullbringers can manipulate anything into a soul and they control physics.
The yukio scan doesn’t really help here given it’s a specific thing he does and nothing about it mentions reishi is composed of data/info.
Not sure how the Soul King being separated into separate beings help here when pernida and the rest aren’t stated to be made of literal information.
This just sounds like power absorption, nothing about this proves literal information that’s the fundamental part of one’s existence is a part of Reishi.
Yeah carving your memories isn’t the same as literal type 2 information.
Space and Laws mean nothing here, especially when the argument is talking about literal information that’s the building block of existence.
as for the supporting points:
The being consuming items just sounds like information analysis, this doesn’t really prove reishi is composed of information.
The pernida stuff is the only one I see that has some form of mention on information, but again this doesn’t remotely prove that reishi itself is composed of literal information, just that it can absorb info to grow stronger.
I’ll respond to any future counter points once I get off from school.
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I'll respond to Glassman's counter when i'm feeling better.
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Cool. Is information referenced as being Reishi or composed of it at any given point? Being a buiding block of a setting isn't in and of itself proof.
And the only scans that were brought up by Deceived didn't directly state that or just showed information in the sense of memories, knowledge, powers etc. and not "the sky is blue" and thus making it so. Unless you have more to post.
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Get well soon, dude.
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@Deceived3596 we’ll wait for you. Besides I’m gonna be a bit swamped for this week and the following so I’m not exactly in a hurry.
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Neutral on high godly regen. Disagree with the conceptual counter argument.
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I am not sure if this helps.
But Memories are information type 2 in Bleach. Senna existence itself was formed by memories and she was clearly able to replicate Soul reapers abilities. Just don't take it for abstact existence type 1 because her body was able replicate abilities of whatever a soul reaper can do.
But Memories are information type 2 in Bleach. Senna existence itself was formed by memories and she was clearly able to replicate Soul reapers abilities. Just don't take it for abstact existence type 1 because her body was able replicate abilities of whatever a soul reaper can do.
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It's Because yukio programs reality using reishi. Which is how fullbringers in general control the world allowing them to transcend it
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What is the conclusion so far?
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Deceived is sick and we’re gonna wait for him to reply to the glassman argument (I think), but there is not standing conclusion atm. Although I think the Ichibe CM point has been dropped from the OP but someone can correct me if I’m wrong
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@Arc7Kuroi I’m dropping the Ichibei concept hax stuff thanks to the concept of black, though I prefer the page gets rewritten to have that be the type 2 concept and not the zanpakuto concepts. Only thing conceptual related is just the one hollow in the novels having type 2 resistance because he got his name back, which should be type 3 unless there’s more to it.
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I see, he seems to understand a lot about Bleach, thanks
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IIRC that had to do with him absorbing a soul king piece.
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Could ichibei have high godly? When Yhwach broke Tensa Zangetsu with the almighty, orihime couldnt fix it by herself due to it being broken in all timelines/futures. Ichibei was able to regenerate from that by Ichigo calling his name out.
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Did he use the almighty to kill Ichibei?
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No. He blast him with his hand similar to how he killed the Arrancars at the start of the arc and how he punched Yoruichi out of the palace.
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I remember him using the almighty to reverse the inks effects, and then killed him, dont exactly remember
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He blasted Ichibei from the inside out if I'm not mistaken, at least that's what he implied on the chapter page
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Agree with HGR
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@KingogKings777 does that have anything to do with his name being something that governs reality or something that only governs its own existence? Because a name that only covers an individual is still a type 3 concept.
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What exactly are the arguments here?
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**** if I know since I haven't read the novel. I'm just repeating what I heard about it. I only read the manga.
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I am pretty sure it only governs his existence.
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@Duedate8898 the high godly regen on the page is being argued to be removed as it stems from a scan that says someone used reishi to reform their body from an imagination, despite there being no evidence that their information was nuked, which is the high godly argument. Deceived commented a page prior arguing for High godly right here. The only other thing left that's being argued is reforming someone's name being a type 3 concept since one of the hollows is being argued to resist type 2 concept hax for restoring its name.
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Even with treating reishi as being a fundamental thing to reality, the regeneration being shown would only qualify for Mid-Godly at best. He has no feats nor statement of coming back of having all of his reishi destroyed, just his body.
High-Godly should go.
And I assume the hollow in question is Ikomikidomoe, who I agree should just have type 3 resistance to concept manipulation. Since what he does is just get his own name back as far as I know.
High-Godly should go.
And I assume the hollow in question is Ikomikidomoe, who I agree should just have type 3 resistance to concept manipulation. Since what he does is just get his own name back as far as I know.
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the soul kings name governs reality which he can also control
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