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Bleach God Tier Slight Speed Revision

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For Calculation 1, I need a bit more time to sort through where Method 1 is appropriate. Method 2 might be okay, but I don't actually know if that one is viable either but for different reasons. Finding it a bit difficult to put into words but will attempt a detailed explanation.

For Calculation 2, the new end for Hikone at 0.72c (Rel+) should be fine.
 
As I said earlier, the Hikone calc is wrong since it assumes he blitzed Grimmjow, but he could have reacted if he was focused on that.
 
Hasch said:
As I said earlier, the Hikone calc is wrong since it assumes he blitzed Grimmjow, but he could have reacted if he was focused on that.
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Pretty sure just about everyone else disagrees with you. Plus, your argument is a "could've," not something of actual certainty.

Given all this, we're moving on from that.
 
I think all that’s left is to iron out the first calc and get into the meat of the debate with the third calc.
 
Yeah. I'm getting a second opinion on my thoughts for the 1st calc, while I'm writing out a more detailed comment for it.

Will post in a few hours when I have time.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Yeah says only you, everyone else disagrees and provided reasoning far superior to yours, move on, I don't have time for other's head canon.
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More like, they willingly ignored the text.


CloverDragon03 said:
Pretty sure just about everyone else disagrees with you. Plus, your argument is a "could've," not something of actual certainty.

Given all this, we're moving on from that.
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It's not could have, is right there that they witnessed the movement.
 
Hasch said:
More like, they willingly ignored the text.




It's not could have, is right there that they witnessed the movement.
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No the author verbatim says they couldn’t react, and furthermore it’s the narrator describing the movement, not the characters witnessing it. I know for a fact Arcker already debunked you on this, and still no one agrees with you. Stop derailing by repeating the same debunked, unaccepted arguments. I’d like to be able to converse with CGM about my calcs without needless clutter.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
No the author verbatim says they couldn’t react, and furthermore it’s the narrator describing the movement, not the characters witnessing it. I know for a fact Arcker already debunked you on this, and still no one agrees with you. Stop derailing by repeating the same debunked, unaccepted arguments. I’d like to be able to converse with CGM about my calcs without needless clutter.
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The author says anyone that witnessed the movements was too surprised and confused to react.
 
Hasch said:
The author says anyone that witnessed the movements was too surprised and confused to react.
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Arcker123 said:
"Witnessing those movements, which could have been described as beautiful" is not proof they could describe it. The statement doesn't even say they could describe it, it says it could have been described as beautiful. That's clearly from a narrator POV, not a character. The entire statement is from a narrator POV. I've already addressed your "witnessed" argument, and no defeater has been offered. There is still no convincing case they reacted.
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Anyways, the remaining things to be discussed are the finer details of the first calc and the validity of the third calc?
 
Hasch said:
“Those who witnessed the movement felt as though time was stopped around them”

The ones that felt that where the alliance, they witnessed the movement.
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Can you stop derailing my thread? This thread has nothing to do with the scaling you’re talking about. You made your own thread for this. This is the last time I’ll ask.
 
Hasch said:
“Those who witnessed the movement felt as though time was stopped around them”

The ones that felt that where the alliance, they witnessed the movement.
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This is what, at least the third time you’ve repeated this nonsense without actually responding to objections that have been raised multiple times. Quit dodging arguments and actually respond to them, maybe then people will care enough about your arguments to agree with then.
 
Arcker123 said:
This is what, at least the third time you’ve repeated this nonsense without actually responding to objections that have been raised multiple times. Quit dodging arguments and actually respond to them, maybe then people will care enough about your arguments to agree with then.
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I did respond to them, this post was pretty clear.

“Those who witnessed the movement felt as though time was stopped around them”​


There's no ambiguity to the fact they saw Hikone move.
 
Also I’m going to assume Hasch didn’t read my Hikone calc, cuz the accepted end has nothing to do with perceptions, and rather is based on the fact that while he was moving everyone else was “still” like “time had stopped”. So, at least as far as the calc is involved, whether you think they say Hikone or not doesn’t impact the accepted end whatsoever.
 
Hasch said:
I did respond to them, this post was pretty clear.

“Those who witnessed the movement felt as though time was stopped around them”​


There's no ambiguity to the fact they saw Hikone move.
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You can’t be this stupid. I’ve already explained to you how you have to prove witnesses (in this context) means “I saw the movement exactly). It could mean “was in the vicinity of the movement.” It was shown how your interpretation was inconsistent, and you gave no response. Pay attention and stop wasting our time.
 
thetechmaster36 said:
psst, hey, guess what: witnessing something does not mean you can react to it; you can witness a bullet flying right in front of your eyes, but that doesn't mean you can react to it, stop stonewalling and derailing
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Thanks for putting this better than I did tbh.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Also I’m going to assume Hasch didn’t read my Hikone calc, cuz the accepted end has nothing to do with perceptions, and rather is based on the fact that while he was moving everyone else was “still” like “time had stopped”. So, at least as far as the calc is involved, whether you think they say Hikone or not doesn’t impact the accepted end whatsoever.
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The actual time of the feat is enough for Hisagi to move, everyone else felt as if time stopped but they are never said to be actually immobile.


thetechmaster36 said:
psst, hey, guess what: witnessing something does not mean you can react to it; you can witness a bullet flying right in front of your eyes, but that doesn't mean you can react to it, stop stonewalling and derailing
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You can't actually see a bullet, and Bleach characters react faster than they can see, if focused.


Arcker123 said:
You can’t be this stupid. I’ve already explained to you how you have to prove witnesses (in this context) means “I saw the movement exactly). It could mean “was in the vicinity of the movement.” It was shown how your interpretation was inconsistent, and you gave no response. Pay attention and stop wasting our time.
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Witnessed simply doesn't mean “was in the vicinity of the movement"

You can arguee with a dictionary if you want, it would be your match in stubbornly using words it doesn't understand lol
 
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