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That sounds about right.

Such as the evil entity and all the mites there is.

Anything else should be added tho? I checked his page but the changes werent made yet
 
@Kaltias

Is it really that strong? Aside from being "Likely at least" 2-A, it seems haxless.
 
Hax wise no, but he is infinitely above baseline 2-A which is almost surreal. He has mind/soul manip and that's about it.
 
So his physical power is insane but he still get haxed into oblivion by the majority of the tier.
 
So has anyone posted a summary of what's fully agreed upon and what's still being discussed? Because that's kind of necessary before we do anything.
 
Everything but Sound Manip, Word Manip, Nonexistent Physiology and Conceptual Manip.

Not sure about Low-Godly regen though
 
@Azathoth

What has been agreed upon:

  • Likely Technology Manipulation
  • Precognition (Foresaw the future and predicted exactly what Dipper was about to do in the next few seconds just before he wakes up)
  • Pocket Reality Creation and Manipulation & BFR.
  • Duplication
  • Mind Manipulation and Destruction
  • Astral Projection
  • Portal Creation
  • Summoning
  • Possible Age Manipulation
  • Chaos Manipulation
  • Time Travel
  • Limited Fate Manipulation
  • All-Time Sense based on the quotation Bill Cipher stated, provided by @The real cal + Retrocognition based on what I mentioned earlier in my list of responses.
  • Life Creation and Inducement (to be more specific) according to @The real cal's explanation under Life Manipulation.
  • More justification @The real cal found for Bill's immeasurable speed
  • Size Enhancement + Empowerment via Mind Manipulation (Bill Cipher displayed this when doing this to his minions)
  • Clairvoyance (That can easily be proven since he did this in the Mindscape)
  • Empathic Sense according to @The real cal's explanation under Empathic Manipulation
  • Zodiac, the Quantum Destabilizer (which is capable of harming him), calling deals off easily enrages him, and synthesized music should all be added to his weaknesses for obvious reasons.
  • Possible Insect Manipulation according to @The real cal's explanation under Animal Manipulation
  • Resistance to Madness Inducement based on @The real cal's explanation under "Resistance to Mind Manipulation." Resisting Mind Manipulation involves resisting Mind Control and that's clearly not what @The real cal described to be the case.
  • Disintegration and Madness Inducement when mentioning Bill Cipher's real name
  • Limited Statistics Amplification via Intelligence Enhancement according to @The real cal's explanation under Statistics Amplification
  • Change Bill's regen to Low-Godly with the Nightmare Realm"
  • Creation (Can create a clock (which he was possessing in the Mindscape), magical chains and cages)
  • Can bestow infinite power and grant wishes when making a deal with him
  • Force-Field Creation (Dipper tried to punch him and you know what happened just after when attempted this)
  • Rage Power for obvious reasons
  • Berserk Mode for obvious reasons
  • Shadow Stealth according to @The real cal's explanation under Darkness Manipulation
  • To add for Telekinesis, Bill Cipher can use a telekinetic force to choke people as he did to Stanford and Stanley
  • Transmutation (Bill Cipher can petrify people such as Stanford into gold; Transformed Gideon, Soos, Robbie, Wendy, Old Man Mcgucket and Pacifica into these tapestries with a snap of his fingers)
  • Non-Corporeality while in his Mindscape/Dreamscape form (Exists as a disembodied consciousness made out of pure energy) as better clarification.
  • Law Inducement based on what @The real cal mentioned about Gideon having to dance (a rule made by Bill Cipher to punish him) for all of eternity.
  • Possible Causality and Physics Manipulation via Law Changing according to @The real Carl's explanation under Law Manipulation
  • Weirdness and Chaos Inducement with Weirdmageddon
  • More justification for 4th-wall breaking according to @The real cal's explanation under Plot Manipulation
  • The justification for Bill's Nigh-Omniscience which is backed up by @The real cal's explanation under Enhanced Sight, Bill Cipher's Intelligence Enhancement "THE MORE I SEE. THE MORE I KNOW" through the cameos and drawn versions of himself throughout Gravity Falls, knowing about that trillion-year-old prophecy, the fact that Bill Cipher can read your mind (as used to support it), his All-Time Sense which allows him to perceive & have knowledge of infinite timelines/dimensions, and has knowledge of the past, present, and future.
Important things to know:

  • Retrocog = Opposite of Precog
  • Xeno- = "other; different in origin"
  • Psychic = "Mind"
Now that you guys understand it, Xenopsychic Reality Warping = Bending reality using the thoughts/imaginations from the minds of other people/beings. So "Xenopsychic" should be linked to Mind Manip. and linking "Reality Warping" to youknowwhat page is obvious at this point guys.

  • Telecommunication Manip. relates specificially to Media and I suggest that it should be linked under Information Manip.
What has been agreed upon (continued):

  • Retrocognitio (Bill shown Dipper's past experiences to Dipper about his situation with him and his sister Mabel)
  • Nightmare Inducement + Xenopyschic Reality Warping while within Mabelland which I explained it in my list of responses.
  • Telecommunication Manipulation actually according to @The real cal's explanation under Data Manipulation.
What is currently being discussed:

  • Retrocognitio (Bill has shown Dipper's past experiences to Dipper about his situation with him and his sister Mabel)
  • Nightmare Inducement + Xenopyschic Reality Warping while within Mabelland which I explained it in my list of responses.
  • Telecommunication Manipulation actually according to @The real cal's explanation under Data Manipulation.
  • Weirdness Manipulation for obvious reasons
  • Bill Cipher embodying a mathematical form since, by technicalities, he is made up by mathematical probability based on the amount of info. found about him.
  • Conceptual Perception and Possible Conceptual Creation according to @The real cal's explanation under Conceptual Manipulation
  • Likely Death Inducement (If Stanford & Stanley had not stopped Bill Cipher, he would have killed Dipper and Mabel instantly with a single snap of his fingers)
  • More justification to add to his age is that he's older than Time itself
  • Durability Negation with Lasers at a molecular level (He vaporized Time Baby and reduced him to molecules)
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Wait, why is masochism resistance to pain?
Click to expand...
I'm not counting that as a reason why for it and I might have to remove it from the list, so nvm about that ability.
 
Cloth Imprisonment is Sealing or maybe Transfiguration
 
All-Time sense serms alright

Life Manipulation was shown and should be OK

Nightmare Inducement is just dream manipulation, and the other is plain reality warping, no need to overspecify and islf needed it can be sxplained whitin notable abilities section

Size Enhancement + Empowerment via Mind manipulation seems alright

Clairvoyance was directly shown, so yes

Empathic Sense should be listed as very limited, because it is, and should be explained in notable abilities to prevent misunddrstandings

Shadow Stealth would fall under shape shifting, stealth and darkness manipulation

Insect Manipulation seems reasonable, only ones created by him however.

Data Manipulation is alright, no need to get to specific in the list of abilities.

Weirdness Manipulation is not a thing, chaos manipulation is.

Non-Coporeality in dreamscaper is obvious, Intangibility while in his physical/true form seems wrong, he can be interacted with, and PIS only is a good excuse if there are showings otherwise. And being made out of energy does not make you intangible on its own.


Command Inducement is law manipulation.

Sounf manipulation seems extremly limited, and if he gets it then characters like hazel should as well.

High Resistance to Madness Inducement seems exagerated, it induces madness by being above someones comprehension, so him comphrehending it does not really mean he can resist powers specificly made to drive people insane. Ut can be listed as low resistance, but high is just too much.

Night omniscience seems exagerated, especialy with the amount of things he doesnt know.

Disintegration and madness inducment with bilps true name seems okay

Statistic amp via weirdmageddon and inteligence seems laright.


"Low-Godly with the Nightmare Realm" is alright, but likely not combat aplicable

Possible Causality and Physics Manipulation via Law Changing is plain law manipulation.

Limited Plot Manipulation seems a reach, but it can be added

Force-Field Creation is alright

Petrification is plain trasmutation

Can create magical chains using magic is creation.

Can bestow infinite power and grant wishes when making a deal with him sure, but what puts it at a multiversal scale?

Likely Death Inducement should be alright

Cloth Imprisonment is transmutation.

Rage Power for obvious reasons Berserk Mode for obvious reasons

Bill Cipher can use telekinetic force

The fact that Bill Cipher can read your mind is not night omnicsience, he wouldnt need to if he had it
 
I disagree on death inducement

He could be referring to using any of his other powers to kill.
 
The method varies, however; some users may halt vital biological processes or attack the soul directly
 
90% of characters on this site can halt vital biological functions. We don't list death manipulation just because the person can kill someone.
 
I agree its reduntant, much like sound manipulation, but it is tecnically not wrong to do so
 
I disagree on death inducement if he said that he'd kill them with a snap of his fingers and that's it.

It doesn't entail anything outside of "Bill can kill regular humans"
 
@Monarch Bill is trying to kill one of them an instant, so that's still Death Inducement. Also, if he was using one of his other powers, he wouldn't need to snap his fingers to end one of them.

@Ricsi

  • "Nightmare Inducement is just dream manipulation, and the other is plain reality warping, no need to overspecify and islf needed it can be sxplained whitin notable abilities section"
Despite the similarities and contray of belief, Nightmare Inducement is indeed different from dream manipulation. Xenopyschic Reality Warping csn still be linked under Reality Warping and you affect reality by using someone else's thoughts and imaginations to do this.

  • "Empathic Sense should be listed as very limited, because it is, and should be explained in notable abilities to prevent misunddrstandings"
Yea.

  • "Shadow Stealth would fall under shape shifting, stealth and darkness manipulation"
I agree with Shadow Stealth being linked to Stealth and Darkness Manip. but not shapeshifting, no.

  • "Data Manipulation is alright, no need to get to specific in the list of abilities."
Media =/= Data, so it is Telecommunication Manip.

  • "Weirdness Manipulation is not a thing, chaos manipulation is."
It actually is and it would be better that both abilities is added.

  • "Non-Coporeality in dreamscaper is obvious, Intangibility while in his physical/true form seems wrong, he can be interacted with, and PIS only is a good excuse if there are showings otherwise. And being made out of energy does not make you intangible on its own."
So what you're exactly suggesting for this is?

  • "Command Inducement is law manipulation."
You're commanding/giving someone an order against their will, law manip. is creating, affecting, and/or rewriting rules, so no.

  • "Sounf manipulation seems extremly limited, and if he gets it then characters like hazel should as well."
I suggest that it should be voice manip.

  • "High Resistance to Madness Inducement seems exagerated, it induces madness by being above someones comprehension, so him comphrehending it does not really mean he can resist powers specificly made to drive people insane. Ut can be listed as low resistance, but high is just too much."
I might as well change it to regular resistance than just high resistance.

  • "Night omniscience seems exagerated, especialy with the amount of things he doesnt know."
Not really. Bill Cipher did indeed has all of the requirements for this level of intelligence.

  • "Disintegration and madness inducment with bilps true name seems okay"
I guess I'm fine with both.

  • ""Low-Godly with the Nightmare Realm" is alright, but likely not combat aplicable"
Okay, that's fine.

  • "Possible Causality and Physics Manipulation via Law Changing is plain law manipulation."
No, not exactly.

  • "Limited Plot Manipulation seems a reach, but it can be added"
Ok.

  • "Petrification is plain trasmutation"
Yea, turning people to gold is transmutation.

  • "Can create magical chains using magic is creation."
Object Creation* + the fact that he created a magical cage he trapped Stanford & Stanley in + he created a clock he was possessing in the Mindscape/Dreamscape.

  • "Can bestow infinite power and grant wishes when making a deal with him sure, but what puts it at a multiversal scale?"
He's a 2-A being that possesses infinite power, how can't he do that...?

  • "Cloth Imprisonment is transmutation."
A form of Sealing cannot be transmutation in the slightest.

  • "The fact that Bill Cipher can read your mind is not night omnicsience, he wouldnt need to if he had it"
Never said Mind Reading = Nigh-Omniscient, just supports it.

"The method varies, however; some users may halt vital biological processes or attack the soul directly"

The former is very unlikely, Bill Cipher wants to kill them instantly, not let them slowly die in agony and the latter is false since he never actually done that.
 
>Bill is trying to kill one of them an instant, so that's still Death Inducement. Also, if he was using one of his other powers, he wouldn't need to snap his fingers to end one of them.

Or he could like, reality warp them away? He is a universal reality warper for God's sake. It's obvious that he can kill people...
 
"with a snap of my fingers" is just an expression of doing something quickly and easily. Which with Bill's powers, he could easily kill someone.

It doesn't literally mean Bill has a special power that will instantly kill someone, just by making them dead, by snapping his fingers.
 
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