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Ben 10 - Tier 1 Profiles Updates from Cosmology and Scaling Revisions
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zamasu left the wiki https://vsbattles.com/threads/goodbye-everyone.147123/
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He is in contact with me on discord and I tried to convince him to join but, he said he is tired of all the fiction stuff...
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The discussion regarding Tier 1 was already concluded with the other staff, and the Tier 2 thread doesn't really affect Tier 1 stuff. Can you elaborate on your concerns?
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Alright so it was accepted as 5D
Seems like Reiner answered my questions regarding the tiering, You can add me in the agreement.
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After the items regarding the Space Beyond, we talked about the Fabric of Existence and the Overall Timestream.
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Okay and where was it agreed 1-C was becoming a thing from this?
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It was discussed within the thread. Each of this thing has been agreed upon to have qualitative difference in respect to each other.
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Can you point out where in that revision thread that the fabric of existence would be 6-D and the timestream being 7-D?
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It's very in the OP, space beyond was likely getting rejected so I put it aside from fabric of existence (5D was but after ultima reply it became 6D) and timestream (6D was but after ultima reply became 7D), basically ultima is the reason space beyond got accepted at last pages of the thread, which will eventually upscale the other 2.
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I didn't updated the vote tally ever since it was all turned into a debate.
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It does for tier 1C tho. If that will be included then it had be tier 1C overall, if not then low 1C. Ultima agreed with the premise of the space beyond but was neutral over usage of visual in that thread, space beyond was going over continuous deadlock but votes for space beyond agreement were still more than disagreement, so it was decided over ultima statement.
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Well, three administrators disagreeing, and three administrators plus one thread moderator (and possibly Ultima as well) agreeing seems like a far too uncertain consensus for the change in question to truly be accepted according to our standard conventions.
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Hmm, well ultima still have same opinion, should the space beyond part hold for another thread then (likely for another day or smth)? I mean, I understand that something should be agreed upon properly.
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Actually, prior to Ultima replying, Sir Ovens was fine with the Space Beyond being Possibly Low 1-C.
The staff distribution is more 2 against with 7 leaning agreeing.
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I'm going to be honest, based off my recollections and a brief look throught the thread. I don't think the conclusions reached is as clearcut as this thread is presenting. Something was definitely agreed to be Low 1-C, but I don't believe three whole levels of infinity was the outcome reached in the thread.
Someone definitely has to take a clear look through the thread and decipher what exactly was agreed upon in it.
Someone definitely has to take a clear look through the thread and decipher what exactly was agreed upon in it.
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Remember you disagreed on space beyond, fabric of existence and timestream all together? When you continuously disagreed upon space beyond? Even after being asked if any of them seems reasonable?
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That and, to be honest, I’m just going to put it out there since I wasn’t present for that thread
I’m not exactly convinced that the argument fits under the tier 1 standard and got accepted just based on the vote ratio. But that’s just how I see it atm.
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@Antvasima
Here's the correct staff votes list:
Low 1-C | The Space Beyond = 1 level of infinity above a 4-D structure by dimensionality
Agree: @Firestorm808, @Dereck03, @DarkDragonMedeus , @DarkGrath, @Elizhaa, @Sir_Ovens (Possibly 5-D)
Disagree: @Maverick_Zero_X, @Everything12
Neutral: @Ultima_Reality
6 leaning Agree to 2 leaning Disagree
Low 1-C | Fabric of Existence | 2 levels of infinity above a 4-D structure by dimensionality
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1-C | The Time Stream | 3 levels of infinity above a 4-D structure by dimensionality
Agree: @Firestorm808, @Dereck03, @DarkDragonMedeus , @DarkGrath, @Elizhaa , @Sir_Ovens, @Ultima_Reality
Disagree: @Everything12
Neutral:
7 leaning Agree to 1 leaning Disagree
If we are to go with the Low-End, we have the following:
The Space Beyond = Possibly Low 1-C = Possibly 1x higher levels of infinity greater than Low 2-C
Realm of Fabric of Existence = Low 1-C = 1-2x higher levels of infinity greater than Low 2-C
Is this a more agreeable consensus according to our standard conventions?
Here's the correct staff votes list:
Low 1-C | The Space Beyond = 1 level of infinity above a 4-D structure by dimensionality
Agree: @Firestorm808, @Dereck03, @DarkDragonMedeus , @DarkGrath, @Elizhaa, @Sir_Ovens (Possibly 5-D)
Disagree: @Maverick_Zero_X, @Everything12
Neutral: @Ultima_Reality
6 leaning Agree to 2 leaning Disagree
Low 1-C | Fabric of Existence | 2 levels of infinity above a 4-D structure by dimensionality
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1-C | The Time Stream | 3 levels of infinity above a 4-D structure by dimensionality
Agree: @Firestorm808, @Dereck03, @DarkDragonMedeus , @DarkGrath, @Elizhaa , @Sir_Ovens, @Ultima_Reality
Disagree: @Everything12
Neutral:
7 leaning Agree to 1 leaning Disagree
If we are to go with the Low-End, we have the following:
The Space Beyond = Possibly Low 1-C = Possibly 1x higher levels of infinity greater than Low 2-C
Realm of Fabric of Existence = Low 1-C = 1-2x higher levels of infinity greater than Low 2-C
Is this a more agreeable consensus according to our standard conventions?
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Thank you. I'll go ahead and revise the OP and clean up the thread.
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agree with the thread
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Why is multiplication used for this? That's not how infinities works, 2x infinity would still be the same infinity. Or is this something different and it's just a poor choice of words (I haven't yet read the previous tiering thread, btw)?
As for the scaling, I gotta say it's been ages since I've seen Ben 10, so my knowledge is very lacking, but the scaling looks alright from a first glance.
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It's not multiplication. This is the terminology used in our tiering system.
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A higher level of infinities is also a another wording our tiering system uses but yeah, it's just all about wordings which don't really affect the thread.
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