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Ben 10 - Low 1-C Time Stream Proposal

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Upon careful consideration from both a logical and mathematical perspective, I would determine that it is indeed low 1-C, if we took visual interpretation as valid. Alone with the fact that has been compared as literal star (which the star presents 2-A structure), so it should be larger than this structure, it can't be interpreted to be in the same plane/dimensionality, rather in higher one which also been confirmed as beyond space.

I understand the comparison here is visual, but I am asking DontTalk if visual interpretation is valid or not in DMs.

So change my vote to agree.
 
Since its in the FAQ bigger than 2-A is Low 1-C, I can agree even though I'm always against it like in the MGK thread, anyways count me as agree.
I always thought It needed some kind of qualitative superiority but count me agree for now.
 
Naw, it is not the same logic, but let's not go topic off. Here is extremely different. But no worries
 
Disagree FRA.

Disagree.

All that FAQ section says is that you can't get beyond baseline 2-A AP through comsology size alone.

As for what Ultima said. An infinite multiverse being so small compared to yourself that you can't percieve it is a qualitive difference. What you have presented is no such thing.
 
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That's not how it works. As long as their is a reason to disagree in a post above theirs then saying they disagree for reasons above is enough.
FRA stands for “For reasons above”. He still needs to say which reasons above. There are multiple people disagreeing with different reasons.
 
I would rather quote someone's reason and say “Disagree FRA” as I show the public which reasons I am referring to.
---> Suggestion ^^
 
"Disagree FRA"
:yesyou:
 
I am not actually arguing because I don't want to be banned, but logically speaking, FRA could mean any reasons. So, if you want to be inconsistent with reasons of your disagreement's spot in this thread. Sure thing, tho, I would not recommend it.

However, it is important to recognize that the abbreviation “FRA” could be interpreted as having multiple meanings, which could lead to confusion and potential misunderstandings. Therefore, it would be more effective to clearly state the specific reasons for disagreement in order to facilitate a productive and cohesive discourse.

Also, you edited your message, I don't know why are you guys now going against me. I was, technically speaking, being discursive with the usage of FRA.

Furthermore, I apologize if our actions or words have caused any offense. My intention was not to go against you, but rather to ensure that the conversation remains respectful and constructive. I was bespeaking the cohesiveness of your disagreement.
 
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I am not actually arguing because I don't want to be banned, but logically speaking, FRA could mean any reasons. So, if you want to be inconsistent with reasons of your disagreement's spot in this thread. Sure thing, tho, I would not recommend it.
FRA don't mean much on their own besides just a general idea of how many people disagree with a conclusion for one reason or another. It's the actual reasons and points made in other posts that matter and need to be countered.

Also, you edited your message, I don't know why are you guys now going against me. I was, technically speaking, being discursive with the usage of FRA.
Because as staff members it's our role to correct any misinformation about how the site works.
 
FRA don't mean much on their own besides just a general idea of how many people disagree with a conclusion for one reason or another. It's the actual reasons and points made in other posts that matter and need to be countered.
You are correct that the abbreviation “FRA” on its own does not provide sufficient information about the specific reasons for disagreement. It is important to clearly state and address the specific points and arguments made in order to effectively counter them and facilitate a productive and meaningful discourse. Simply stating that there is disagreement without presenting supporting reasons or evidence does not contribute to the conversation and does not allow for a thorough analysis and understanding of the issue at hand. I encourage all parties to clearly articulate their positions and provide supporting evidence in order to facilitate a productive and informative discussion.
 
Oh man just came and it's chaos? Just tell me who wants to disagree for no reasons. I'll be fine with it
 
I don’t think anything states I have to do that, no.
You want to disagree for no reason?
FRA don't mean much on their own besides just a general idea of how many people disagree with a conclusion for one reason or another. It's the actual reasons and points made in other posts that matter and need to be countered.


Because as staff members it's our role to correct any misinformation about how the site works.
And you?
Pls tell me so that I put down it in disagreement for no reason
 
Please refer to our FAQ and reiterate your argument for Qualitative Superiority.

 
Please refer to our FAQ and reiterate your argument for Qualitative Superiority.


This section of FAQ explains that how Cardinality can be one way to scale things out of many, that there is no such thing as bigger 2A as all 2A's are of same size, just containing one 2A structure Inside is not a proof of being bigger than 2A as natural numbers contain odd and even numbers but still aren't smaller than natural numbers but equal.
Natural numbers are countably infinite.

And as per continuum hypothesis that is there is no set between the set of natural numbers and real numbers anything that is bigger than 2A or natural numbers is low 1C or uncountably infinite or Power set of natural numbers.
 
This section of FAQ explains that how Cardinality can be one way to scale things out of many, that there is no such thing as bigger 2A as all 2A's are of same size, just containing one 2A structure Inside is not a proof of being bigger than 2A as natural numbers contain odd and even numbers but still aren't smaller than natural numbers but equal.
Natural numbers are countably infinite.

And as per continuum hypothesis that is there is no set between the set of natural numbers and real numbers anything that is bigger than 2A or natural numbers is low 1C or uncountably infinite or Power set of natural numbers.
Sorry. I don't follow. Which section of the FAQ are you referencing?
 
Bigger than 2a is a layer above baseline 2a….right??
Bigger than 2-A structure as in size, no. It is low 1-C
I know, but what section of that corresponds to how he derived Low 1-C.
I assume this one (if I am not wrong)
We then move on to the power set of ℵ0, P(ℵ0), which is an uncountably infinite quantity and represents the set of all the ways in which you can arrange the elements of a set whose cardinality is the former, and is also equal to the size of the set of all real numbers. In terms of points, one can say that everything from 1-dimensional space to (countably) infinite-dimensional space falls under it, as all of these spaces have the same number of elements (coordinates, in this case), in spite of each being infinitely larger than the preceding one by the intuitive notions of size that we regularly utilize (Area, Volume, etc)
 
Wait but if this gets accepted, there would have to be qualitative superiority between 5d and 4d
 
Sorry. I don't follow. Which section of the FAQ are you referencing?
Q: How do cardinal numbers relate to tiering?
^This one, but to understand this, there should be some understanding over how larger infinities works, to say it simple, only thing that can be bigger than natural numbers is real numbers, there is no other class there is btw them or just what ultima has described above I quoted in the OP, there is no such thing as bigger than 2A while still remaining 2A.
Wait but if this gets accepted, there would have to be qualitative superiority between 5d and 4d
Derailing, the size difference should be significant enough that dwarfs the entire structure to insignificant scale,as it looks and has been stated, it is comparable to star in the universe so it is significant enough.
 
^This one, but to understand this, there should be some understanding over how larger infinities works, to say it simple, only thing that can be bigger than natural numbers is real numbers, there is no other class there is btw them or just what ultima has described above I quoted in the OP, there is no such thing as bigger than 2A while still remaining 2A.

Derailing, the size difference should be significant enough that dwarfs the entire structure to insignificant scale,as it looks and has been stated, it is comparable to star in the universe so it is significant enough.
I'm sorry, but can you elaborate on the two objects/spaces that you are using to compare in size for qualitative superiority?
 
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