Ben 10 Cosmology simple Upgrade

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

So you backtracked when I proved that the branches arise from snapshots of a 2-A structure? And no I'm not even arguing for a hypertimeline because I did not say that there is another temporal dimension. I'm simply arguing for an uncountably infinite amount of 2-A structures aka Aleph1 number of inf 4-D structures which gives a 5-D structure (space beyond in this case)

But it's not uncountable infinite tho, thats the problem. Gon is trying to say that the example you used to support the uncountable infinity (MCU) was you misunderstanding it, the MCU is 5D due to a hypertimeline, not because of what you said

 

[Hellformer]

But it's not uncountable infinite tho, thats the problem. Gon is trying to say that the example you used to support the uncountable infinity (MCU) was you misunderstanding it, the MCU is 5D due to a hypertimeline, not because of what you said

Ben 10 already has a hypertimeline right? So why would you guys expect me to prove it once again?

 

[Hellformer]

Likewise, a set of uncountably infinite universes can be reduced to a set of countably infinite universes, if we simply eliminate the excess universes from the totality. This is to say: Through simple numerical elimination, it is possible to take a multiverse from Low 1-C to 2-A.

This is what I've been trying to argue.
Uncountably infinite universes = Low 1-C
Countably infinite universes = 2-A

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Ben 10 already has a hypertimeline right? So why would you guys expect me to prove it once again?

no he does not, it's not accepted and thats not what this thread says

Likewise, a set of uncountably infinite universes can be reduced to a set of countably infinite universes, if we simply eliminate the excess universes from the totality. This is to say: Through simple numerical elimination, it is possible to take a multiverse from Low 1-C to 2-A.

This is what I've been trying to argue.
Uncountably infinite universes = Low 1-C
Countably infinite universes = 2-A

Yes but the standards for uncountable infinite universes have changed

 

[Hellformer]

no he does not, it's not accepted and thats not what this thread says

The Timestream/Crosstime is super imposing Hypertimeline
I'm myself neutral with the explanation of thread so thought of giving my own justification

Yes but the standards for uncountable infinite universes have changed

Oh really? May I get the evidence?

 

[Hellformer]

Low 1-C: Low Complex Multiverse level

Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.)

1 or 2 higher levels of Infinity huh which is what ultima defines as quantitative transcendence. Basically the same as what I'm arguing

 

[Hellformer]

The Space Beyond is an infinite black void that extends past the boundaries of the universe and encompasses an infinite number of them.

 

[Georredannea15]

So you conceded that Ben 10 has it the same way MCU does? Already proven that each snapshot branches into different timelines btw(same as MCU).

That's something the MCU has, Ben10 doesn't.

In short, having infinite number of 2-A timelines =/= being a timeline with 2-A/4-D snapshots in each time point.

 

[Georredannea15]

Low 1-C: Low Complex Multiverse level

Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.)

1 or 2 higher levels of Infinity huh which is what ultima defines as quantitative transcendence. Basically the same as what I'm arguing

Dude, can you please look at the revisions to the damn standards on what kind of infinities are QS? Are you kidding me?

Just take a look at this damn standard revision, which is basically the same idea as yours and was rejected outright

Bigger infinity should be uncountable infinity

Yeah time to fixed this non sense. I still not know why the standard still keep this non sense, i think about this all days but still not get why this make sense So in previous thread , we already decided that being bigger than 2A in size can possibly have higher dimensional structure, as long...

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[Hellformer]

That's something the MCU has, Ben10 doesn't.

Proved it earlier

 

[Georredannea15]

I already proved these are not same. I will not go back and forth any further. I explained everything with quotes

 

[Hellformer]

I already proved. I will not go back and forth any further. I explained everything with quotes

Invincible ignorance at peak

 

[Georredannea15]

Invincible ignorance at peak

OMG, I'm considered ignorant by the holy Hellformer who has no idea about standards. I can't live because of this

 

[Hellformer]

Dude, can you please look at the revisions to the damn standards on what kind of infinities are QS? Are you kidding me?

Just take a look at this damn standard revision, which is basically the same idea as yours and was rejected outright

Bigger infinity should be uncountable infinity

Yeah time to fixed this non sense. I still not know why the standard still keep this non sense, i think about this all days but still not get why this make sense So in previous thread , we already decided that being bigger than 2A in size can possibly have higher dimensional structure, as long...

vsbattles.com

Summary:
All countable infinite are same in size, so there no smaller of bigger infinite in countable infinite therefore,
All structure that are infinite and bigger than other infinite is uncountable infinite by default

did you yourself bother to read it?

 

[Hellformer]

OMG, I'm considered ignorant by the holy Hellformer who has no idea about standards. I can't live because of this

B̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ d̶i̶e̶

 

[REX9097]

Also, the expression “seeing them as stardust” here is not really seeing them as star dust in the sense of existence, it's only seeing them as stars from a distance.

No, this is wrong, as Universe should not change, but you can see that its shape has changed, so we can also see it as Gwen sees it.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

The Timestream/Crosstime is super imposing Hypertimeline
I'm myself neutral with the explanation of thread so thought of giving my own justification

The time stream is beyond the space beyond. It being a hyper timeline has no impact on what the space beyond’s dimensionality is

 

[Hellformer]

The time stream is beyond the space beyond. It being a hyper timeline has no impact on what the space beyond’s dimensionality is

Ik but I'm not arguing for hypertimeline

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Ik but I'm not arguing for hypertimeline

We know, that’s the problem, your example of a verse using “uncountable infinities of universes” (MCU) isn’t 5D because of how many timelines it has, it’s 5D because it has a hyper timeline

 

[Hellformer]

We know, that’s the problem, your example of a verse using “uncountable infinities of universes” (MCU) isn’t 5D because of how many timelines it has, it’s 5D because it has a hyper timeline

Well okay but my argument does not rely on hypertimeline

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

When will staff arrive lol I am afraid that this CRT will go dead after so many replies without any staff involvement

 

[REX9097]

Bump

 

[REX9097]

Space Beyond is accepted as Low 1-C so The Forge of Creation should be accepted as 5-D and Alien X should have an HDE of at least 5-D and especially The Universe I think can be put as 4-D spatiotemporal per dimension (Low 2-C). But I have to wait for his answer Staff members.

 

[REX9097]

Bump

 

[NXCHT.66]

Alien X should have an HDE of at least 5-D and especially The Universe I think can be put as 4-D spatiotemporal per dimension (Low 2-C)

this should make a new CRT or not?

 

[Hellformer]

Space Beyond is accepted as Low 1-C so The Forge of Creation should be accepted as 5-D and Alien X should have an HDE of at least 5-D and especially The Universe I think can be put as 4-D spatiotemporal per dimension (Low 2-C). But I have to wait for his answer Staff members.

There is another CRT which might give 26-D existence to Alien X's pocket dimension

 

[REX9097]

this should make a new CRT or not?

Of course, but Paradox and Charmcaster will also have their own CRT.

 

[Georredannea15]

There is another CRT which might give 26-D existence to Alien X's pocket dimension

This was rejected two time, isn't it?

 

[Hellformer]

This was rejected two time, isn't it?

No

Ben 10 - Annihilargg

I guess if he’s already confirmed to be moving galaxies then it would be kinda weird if he just stopped there. Eh I’ll just wait to see what anyone else thinks. By this metric, one can say that the feat is only tier 3-B to 3-A just because we were shown galaxies moving around but that's...

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[Georredannea15]

No

Ben 10 - Annihilargg

I guess if he’s already confirmed to be moving galaxies then it would be kinda weird if he just stopped there. Eh I’ll just wait to see what anyone else thinks. By this metric, one can say that the feat is only tier 3-B to 3-A just because we were shown galaxies moving around but that's...

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This has nothing to do with the pocket dimensipn inside AX.

 

[Georredannea15]

Space Beyond is accepted as Low 1-C so The Forge of Creation should be accepted as 5-D and Alien X should have an HDE of at least 5-D and especially The Universe I think can be put as 4-D spatiotemporal per dimension (Low 2-C). But I have to wait for his answer Staff members.

Force of Creation has nothing to do with the pocket dimension inside AX. There is no information about the relationship between the two. The only thing we know is that the pocket dimension is now only 4-D. I don't know if anything will happen in the future, but that's the situation now.

 

[Hellformer]

This has nothing to do with the pocket dimensipn inside AX.

Read this

 

[Georredannea15]

Read this

I have already read it and it is my friend who opened this thread. This has nothing to do with the pocket dimension in AX. It's just the Force of Creation

 

[Hellformer]

I have already read it and it is my friend who opened this thread. This has nothing to do with the pocket dimension in AX. It's just the Force of Creation

 

[Georredannea15]

Acting like this doesn't change anything. I'm waiting for you to show me a correlation between AX's pocket dimension and Force of Creation.

 

[Hellformer]

Acting like this doesn't change anything. I'm waiting for you to show me a correlation between AX's pocket dimension and Force of Creation.

I didn't even say about Forge of creation. For the pocket dimension upscale you'll have to wait and see if the thread gets accepted.

 

[Georredannea15]

I didn't even say about Forge of creation. For the pocket dimension upscale you'll have to wait and see if the thread gets accepted.

You tried to give AX a 5-D HDE because Beyond space and Force of Creation are 5-D, while there is no such information for the pocket dimension. There is no relationship between them, there is no reason to scale. Just an assumption

 

[Hellformer]

You tried to give AX a 5-D HDE because Beyond space and Force of Creation are 5-D, while there is no such information for the pocket dimension. There is no relationship between them, there is no reason to scale. Just an assumption

No I don't even agree with that metric
Better wait for some time buddy.

 

[REX9097]

Force of Creation has nothing to do with the pocket dimension inside AX. There is no information about the relationship between the two. The only thing we know is that the pocket dimension is now only 4-D. I don't know if anything will happen in the future, but that's the situation now.

The Forge of Creation is a place live of CelestialSapiens and Alien X, even Alien X coming from The Forge of Creation

 

[Georredannea15]

The Forge of Creation is a place live of CelestialSapiens and Alien X, even Alien X coming from The Forge of Creation

Look at the HDE page, living in a higher dimensional plane or coming from there does not make you geometrically higher dimensional being.