Bayonetta Discussion Thread

[Valiant_Abyss]

Also Loptr travels through time to kill Bayonettas mother, and to pull Balder back from the past. So

What? That's... just a younger Loptr in the past that killed Rosa, and future Loptr pulled Balder from the past.

 

[Comicgyal]

what Loptr are you talking about then LOL there’s like 3 different Loptrs

I forgot that the Loptr who killed Rosa was always there, but Prophet pulled balders into the future so his time manip stuff should stay there

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

what Loptr are you talking about then LOL there’s like 3 different Loptrs

I think you're complicating this more that it has to be. There's Young Loptr, the one you fight on the clock tower, and there's adult loptr, the older version of younger loptr.

I forgot that the Loptr who killed Rosa was always there, but Prophet pulled balders into the future so his time manip stuff should stay there

That's time travel, not Time Manip.

 

[Comicgyal]

It’s confusing me, because the time manip keys start with prophet, not with Loptr. All Loptr has is

Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality(Type 1), Skilled user of throwing cards, Flight, Magic, Skilled in hand-to-hand combat, Energy Manipulation, Can harm and kill Incorporealitybeings

 

[Comicgyal]

Anyways any version of Loptr should have time manip, since Loki can manipulate time . It’s one of those instances where I don’t think any of them should lose powers their previous (and weaker) forms have

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Loptr should not have whatever Loki has by default. They share the cards, but that's about it. Actual showings > assumptions. Loptr doesn't show time travel until his adult state.

Also, I don't even know why Loki has time manip on his profile to begin with. The only time related thing Loki has ever done is sending Bayo and Balder back to Witch hunt Vigrid, and the profile already treats that as a completely separate ability.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

This whole conversation is also why a lot of the profiles really need to start having descriptions next to them explaining the reason why they have that ability.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

If you need an outline on how to revise the angels and demon page, check this page out, it can help you.

I could probably start working on a sandbox remaking the Demon and Angel pages in that style.

 

[Comicgyal]

Loki can manipulate the remeberances of time lol

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Oh yeah, I forgot about those things. Again:

This whole conversation is also why a lot of the profiles really need to start having descriptions next to them explaining the reason why they have that ability.

If its via the rememberances of time, then its fine. Would've been much easier if you said it was by the remeberances of time earlier lol.

 

[Comicgyal]

I forgot myself lol the profiles don’t have justifications which I was intending to elaborate on as well

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Well, looks like I have some editing to do on the sandbox I have for the CRT lol.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I can't do this anymore...

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Hey, look at the bright side! They are not making hype and posting shit so it won't be another fallout 77/cyberpunk.

 

[Comicgyal]

Yeah, I honestly don’t care if it out comes out next year, or the year after, as long as it’s a GOOD game. Bayonetta games flop on release, atleast compared to other Nintendo titles. So I’m sure they’ll be taking their time to ensure it sells well

Also kamiya has to make the combat equal to, or better than dmc 5, so that’s a lot

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

implying they can top DMC5 combat

Smh :v

Just pointing out that if this game takes more than 5 years either consider it dead or garbage when it actually comes out (experience has thought us over and over)

 

[Comicgyal]

They probably could, DMC5 combat isn’t that magnificent

I doubt it’ll take another two years, but who knows

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Young one, I see you lack MOTIVATION

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Hey comic, do you have some youtube or imgur scans of Loki (and preferably Loptr too) using the rememberances of time so I can plug them into my CRT sandbox?

 

[Theglassman12]

They probably could, DMC5 combat isn’t that magnificent

I mean that’s as subjective as me saying Bayonetta’s combat isn’t that great.

 

[Comicgyal]

Uhhh yeah I could go and look, best one I could mention is in the beginning the game, when he used the remembrance on that tsunami. It’s like the third or so chapter

 

[Comicgyal]

Hey comic, do you have some youtube or imgur scans of Loki (and preferably Loptr too) using the rememberances of time so I can plug them into my CRT sandbox?

1:45:14 and onwards

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Goodness, how many advertisements does that video have?

 

[Comicgyal]

You can skip through them, but ikr

 

[Comicgyal]

If you just want a scan, Loki says “it looks like I can manipulate the remeberance of time” like a few minutes after they get to the other side of that water thingy

 

[Theglassman12]

Goodness, how many advertisements does that video have?

YouTube as of late has gotten worse with these ads, can’t go by ten minutes without these popping up.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

You could download Adblocker, though it's annoying when watching videos via phone.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Hm. Bayonetta flies to Paradiso in one of the boss battles in 2, from the human world.

 

[Comicgyal]

Yeah she does, why’d you think of that?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I’m pretty sure that supports Irenic’s infinite speed, especially since unlike before, it can be argued reaction and combat speed, since she was fighting whilst doing it.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I believe you're referring to Glamor's second boss fight, in which Loki summons a whirlpool by accident, followed by Glamor capturing Loki with Bayonetta chasing through the whirlpool.

At around 3:55 a beam of light shows up and encompasses the entire inside of the whirlpool with a bright flash. We then see Bayo emerging from what seems to be a portal at the gates of paradise, so no she did not fly to paradiso.

BUT glamor does fire some ice shards off before getting dragged to hell, causing Loki to drop into the clouds, and then we see bayo fly down from paradiso to earth I guess? (Kinda hard to tell though cause of Bayonetta's irritating slide-show cutscenes with odd quarter circles of a clock as the frame)

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

At around 3:55 a beam of light shows up and encompasses the entire inside of the whirlpool with a bright flash. We then see Bayo emerging from what seems to be a portal at the gates of paradise, so no she did not fly to paradiso.

How unfortunate then.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I hope they get rid of slideshow cutscenes in Bayo 3, or at the very least decrease the frequency of it significantly. Makes it so much more unnecessarily difficult to understand what's going on.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Right here is the absolute worst example of the usage of slideshow cutscenes (6:10-6:25)

 

[Theglassman12]

Wasn’t the first game’s excuse of doing the slideshow was because they burnt most of their budget in everything but the cutscenes? I don’t get how Bayo 2 has the same treatment when Nintendo was supervising it all.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

No clue in all honesty. I just really hope they get rid of it entirely or use it much, much, much less in future installments. Its just so hard to comprehend what's happening without going back and rewatching the slideshow cutscene 2-3 more times.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I’m not sure how that’s going to work on Switch, honestly. Combat as well.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I’m not sure how that’s going to work on Switch, honestly. Combat as well.

Both Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 have been ported to the switch already. Combat works out fine.

The slideshows still suck though. That needs to go bye-bye in Bayo 3. There should be no excuses to have those cutscenes in large amounts with Switch tech on hand.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Both Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 have been ported to the switch already. Combat works out fine.

That’s porting, as opposed to building up new combat from scratch.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That’s porting, as opposed to building up new combat from scratch.

They will. Most likely re-use a lot of stuff so not really