Battle for 4th Strongest Non-Smurf 8-A (Johnny vs Flowey) (Grace)

[Eden_Warlock99]

• Both are 8-A
• Speed will be equalized
• Battle takes place in New Home
• Johnny has all of his equipment
• Both start 30 meters away from each other

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VS

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"Prank calling is the best thing ever. Lets do it!": 8 (RandomGuy2345, azontr, Epiccheev, Bruhtelho, Adem_Warlock69, DarlingAurora, Arnoldstone18, The_Almighty_Wholesome)
"Is it because you STILL don't trust your own BROTHER?!":
Junko:

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I can tell this finna be a stomp.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I can tell this finna be a stomp.

In Johnny's favor, right?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well first things first, you should probably specify that the Bionic Arm and Black Hole is restricted.

Does Flowey have any hax that can bypass Johnny's Supernatural Luck?

Don't forget about Johnny's Time Stop fuckery, which he will use, as he doesn't like playing it fair, and would much rather take the easy way out.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Bionic Arm and Black Hole probably won't change much, due to LOAD and stuff

Does Flowey have any hax that can bypass Johnny's Supernatural Luck?

Undodgeable danmaku + Nigh-Infinite Tries via SAVE and LOAD could do the trick

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Undodgeable danmaku

Undodgeable danmaku gets countered by Time Stop.

Also, elaborate on "Undodgeable".

Nigh-Infinite Tries via SAVE and LOAD could do the trick

So if Flowey dies, he can just come back?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Also, elaborate on "Undodgeable".

Flowey shrunk the battle box so much that Frisk's SOUL couldn't even move an inch

So if Flowey dies, he can just come back?

basically, yeah

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Flowey shrunk the battle box so much that Frisk's SOUL couldn't even move an inch

So if Johnny can't move his soul, then he can't move his physical body?

basically, yeah

Yeah, I don't see how Johnny counters this.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Yeah, I don't see how Johnny counters this.

Any of Johnny's mind altering abilities or his sleep manip/transmutation could do the trick

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Any of Johnny's mind altering abilities or his sleep manip could do the trick

Johnny has to get up close to perform that mind control trick, which he can potentially use by using his SI to convince Flowey to wear the belts.

Sleep Manip works, too.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

bump

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I just realized that Johnny can also possess Flowey, too (Mega Action Game Controller).

Johnny actually has quite a few ways to get past Flowey's SAVE and LOAD.

 

[Pikaman]

which he can potentially use by using his SI to convince Flowey to wear the belts.

I’m not sure how this would work when Frisk couldn’t reason with him

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I’m not sure how this would work when Frisk couldn’t reason with him

I'm assuming Frisk has SI that's superior or equal to Johnny's?

 

[Pikaman]

I'm assuming Frisk has SI that's superior or equal to Johnny's?

Bingo

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Alright. SI and Mind Manip is out of the question.

Johnny still has Possession, Sleep Manip, Time Stop, and (maybe?) more that can ignore Flowey's SAVE and LOAD.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

What's the AP difference between these two btw?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What's the AP difference between these two btw?

Flowey's 303.9 Tons while Johnny is baseline? (100 tons)

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Flowey's 303.9 Tons while Johnny is baseline? (100 tons)

Johnny's 130.4 tons iirc.

 

[Peppersalt43]

So uh funny thing

Photoshop Flowey is a part of the Strongest 8-A characters line-up. If Johnny somehow wins this, he'll join said line-up

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Photoshop Flowey is a part of the Strongest 8-A characters line-up. If Johnny somehow wins this, he'll join said line-up

 

[Peppersalt43]

Good luck getting past The Hunter though. Resurrection that triggers automatically whenever they're incapacitated or killed while also rewinding time to before they died. They also have the ability to teleport through universes so BFR is also impossible, not to mention the crazy weapons they have

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Good luck getting past The Hunter though. Resurrection that triggers automatically whenever they're incapacitated or killed while also rewinding time to before they died. They also have the ability to teleport through universes so BFR is also impossible, not to mention the crazy weapons they have

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[Peppersalt43]

Also if Doppelganger beats him, he's still screwed

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Also if Doppelganger beats him, he's still screwed

Johnny doesn't have all of his equipment there.

 

[Pikaman]

So uh funny thing

Photoshop Flowey is a part of the Strongest 8-A characters line-up. If Johnny somehow wins this, he'll join said line-up

Seriously? Why can’t you just incap with mind-hax

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Seriously? Why can’t you just incap with mind-hax

Is this something Flowey can do to Johnny?

 

[Peppersalt43]

Johnny doesn't have all of his equipment there.

You think that'll go better?

 

[Pikaman]

Is this something Flowey can do to Johnny?

No I mean how is Flowey in the top 5 since it should be simple enough to mind-control them and win through incap

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Flowey having 6 souls and being flower (So no brain), makes most incap options useless
Still think him being in the top 5 was a fluke tho

 

[RandomGuy2345]

You think that'll go better?

Wdym?

Are you saying that Johnny should be given all of his equipment?

No I mean how is Flowey in the top 5 since it should be simple enough to mind-control them and win through incap

Flowey having 6 souls and being flower (So no brain), makes most incap options useless
Still think him being in the top 5 was a fluke tho

Johnny has quite a few options other than mind control regardless.

I think Johnny takes this match convincingly, because I haven't seen anything besides SAVE and LOAD that will help Flowey in the long run, while Johnny has quite a few ways to bypass that.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Wdym?

Are you saying that Johnny should be given all of his equipment?

I mean would you be confident about debating the match if he had all non-8-A equipment?

 

[Pikaman]

If Flowey and Johnny is the standard I might take a crack at throwing The Witch into the play, given she stomps Johnny into the ******* ground

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I mean would you be confident about debating the match if he had all non-8-A equipment?

Does Doppelganger have a good counter to Supernatural Luck, Time Stop, Possession, and many more?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

If Flowey and Johnny is the standard I might take a crack at throwing The Witch into the play, given she stomps Johnny into the ******* ground

Even with all of Johnny's equipment (including the Black Hole and Bionic Arm)?

 

[Pikaman]

Johnny’s Supernatural luck sucks ass relative to most and the immorality means the best Johnny gets is incon

 

[Peppersalt43]

Does Doppelganger have a good counter to Supernatural Luck, Time Stop, Possession, and many more?

Probability Manip, Time Manip, and Possession are all existing resistances in the big list of D&D resistances

 

[Pikaman]

Even with all of Johnny's equipment (including the Black Hole and Bionic Arm)?

Yes. She starts with mind control that Johnny has 0 answer to

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Yes. She starts with mind control that Johnny has 0 answer to

I mean...what's stopping Johnny from simply pressing the button on his Time Stop Watch before she can do anything? I already argued that Johnny won't hesitate to take the easy way out in previous threads.

 

[Pikaman]

I mean...what's stopping Johnny from simply pressing the button on his Time Stop Watch before she can do anything? I already argued that Johnny won't hesitate to take the easy way out in previous threads.

The Witch’s mind control is quicker that Johnny pulling out his button and pressing it