Barragan Vs Law

[AppleLord]

No. That's Room's effect. Room doesn't "injure" you, it seperates you via space manipulation to where you're allowed to reattach if he lets you.
Time Dilation "Can reduce the speed of any target which comes near him with Senescencia"
A Shambles teleport won't be near him, it won't require a line of fire or some tangible effect, it'd just make something pop out inside his body.

Even when dying, Barragan can still attack, so does Law have a counter for Respira's wave after teleporting that into Barragan?

 

[AppleLord]

He's close because Vergo charged him. You can see the mountain range get cut and everything around it because it was inside "Room". He wasn't close to those.

So is up to Law making that mistake or not. Irrelevant topic so we can't really know if Law would try it before Barragan shows him what Respira can do. But going with character personality Barragan always allows his opponent to move close to him first and then reveal his power.

 

[SnookB]

Even when dying, Barragan can still attack, so does Law have a counter for Respira's wave after teleporting that into Barragan?

Kenbun danger sense
Shambles himself a literal mile away instantaneously via precog alerting him of Barragan's attack or respira's danger.

 

[SnookB]

So is up to Law making that mistake or not. Irrelevant topic so we can't really know if Law would try it before Barragan shows him what Respira can do. But going with character personality Barragan always allows his opponent to move close to him first and then reveal his power.

The only reason Law was that close at all was because Vergo had his heart and forced him to be right infront of him.
Law wouldn't approach Barragan first, not with Kenbunshoku letting him foresee himself being aged to death if he enters that zone.

 

[AppleLord]

No... Stop haki is nothing like in bleach

Of course people try to equalize when they don't even know anything about haki

Haki is just spiritual energies.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Even when dying, Barragan can still attack, so does Law have a counter for Respira's wave after teleporting that into Barragan?

Law can spatially cut it or teleport it away

 

[Deceived3596]

No one said it'd be a small rock. Barragan is a skeleton. The space in him can fit a head comfortably with how big seems to be, and considering Hachi's HAND lasted long enough, a piece of rock big enough that was already being aged would last long enough as well.

It would be only small-rocks given the location inherently that comes with SBA. You literally didn't understand my point about the rocks part and Hachi's Hand has better feats of resisting aging compared to stone/concrete/metal ect. Rocks don't posses Hachi's level of Longevity so no.

No rocks present in this fight would work against Bara given my previous explanation that you didn't debunk correctly since you completely misunderstood what i said.

He just needs to continue teleporting himself whenever he senses it's too close through his Kenbunshoku. Law doesn't need to "run" like Soifon, he can appear kilometers away instantaneously and asses his situation, turn room off, reopen again when Barragan's threat is close enough. Rinse, repeat until he understands that it's decaying everything it touches, and returns it back to Barragan.

Doesn't matter the rocks get aged before literally any of this happens.

 

[AppleLord]

He's a genius tactician. No reason he shouldn't after seeing it for long enough. And he's fast enough and has precog AND self-teleport to get as far away from it in an instant as possible. Enough observation and he'll understand that it's rotting everything away and use it on Barragan himself.

Problem. Barragan always lets his opponent attack first and get close to him before showing his respira ability.

If that's how it works, Haki users resist Riatsu crush against characters of the same tier. You REALLY wanna go down that rabbit hole?

We are not talking about reiatsu crush in here. OP said it couldn't be used. Reiatsu crush means Law will get stick to the floor through Barragan's spiritual energy creating a pressure of gravity that will paralyse him.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Haki is just spiritual energies.

It's a manifestation of one's ambition/willpower that's not a life force

 

[AppleLord]

Law can spatially cut it or teleport it away

Respira is spiritual energy which would be considered Haki in One Piece.

 

[AppleLord]

It's a manifestation of one's ambition/willpower that's not a life force

Haki is a mysterious power that allows the user to utilize their own spiritual energy for various purposes. It can be used to sense people's spiritual energy and predict their actions, give the user a protective coating of spiritual energy, and, for a certain group of "chosen ones", overpower the willpower of others.

 

[Deceived3596]

Haki isn't "Spiritual Energy" like Bleach's "Spiritual Energy", this was already discussed in previous threads and it was concluded on that when Haki is being stated as "Spiritual Energy" it's synonymous with "Willpower" rather then something actual spiritual like Reiryoku in Bleach.

 

[AppleLord]

Haki isn't "Spiritual Energy" like Bleach's "Spiritual Energy", this was already discussed in previous threads and it was concluded on that when Haki is being stated as "Spiritual Energy" it's synonymous with "Willpower" rather then something actual spiritual like Reiryoku in Bleach.

That quote came from the One Piece Wikipedia. I don't know what headcanon this wiki came up for haki.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Respira is spiritual energy which would be considered Haki in One Piece.

No... Not at all

If that's the case all spiritual energy gets equalized even tho they don't work the same at all

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Law has been shown to interact and teleport spirit/souls via room

 

[SnookB]

It would be only small-rocks given the location inherently that comes with SBA. You literally didn't understand my point about the rocks part and Hachi's Hand has better feats of resisting aging compared to stone/concrete/metal ect. Rocks don't posses Hachi's level of Longevity so no.

The longest we saw a shinigami live was twenty one thousand years. That pales in comparaison to 130 MILLION. And that's Yamamoto, who looked like he was in his last years as well. At MOST you can stretch it to 300 thousand years.

Doesn't matter the rocks get aged before literally any of this happens.

Depends on the environment. Law was shown cutting chunks off the ground, or hills/mountains to use shambles. If he gets one while it's being decayed he can teleport it in a blink. (There's no cooldown after all.) Your only reasoning is "no he doesn't". And you never specified what kind of battlefield- my mind goes straight to a wasteland because Dragon Ball ruined my view on "battlefields" like that. Every big fight goes there kek

Problem. Barragan always lets his opponent attack first and get close to him before showing his respira ability.

Then Law spatially cuts him in half from a kilometer away, and GG.

 

[AppleLord]

Another source says "Haki refers to a spiritual force that everyone in the world of One Piece possesses, yet, it is awakened by a few. Simply put, Haki allows its users to control their spirit in a way in which they can sense the energy of others, and manifest it as an armor."

So either everyone outside VSBW is wrong, or VSBW is using fanfiction.

 

[SnookB]

Haki is a mysterious power that allows the user to utilize their own spiritual energy for various purposes. It can be used to sense people's spiritual energy and predict their actions, give the user a protective coating of spiritual energy, and, for a certain group of "chosen ones", overpower the willpower of others.

First Respira can age room
Now Haki=Riatsu
Come on, man-

 

[SnookB]

Rayleigh calls haki the power of "not doubting". It's just will power given form.

 

[AppleLord]

The longest we saw a shinigami live was twenty one thousand years. That pales in comparaison to 130 MILLION. And that's Yamamoto, who looked like he was in his last years as well. At MOST you can stretch it to 300 thousand years.

Check Ichibei's profile.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Another source says "Haki refers to a spiritual force that everyone in the world of One Piece possesses, yet, it is awakened by a few. Simply put, Haki allows its users to control their spirit in a way in which they can sense the energy of others, and manifest it as an armor."

So either everyone outside VSBW is wrong, or VSBW is using fanfiction.

Or you are manipulating it so he can somehow have haki and resist devil fruit abilities

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Again, I'm not wasting my time with this

 

[SnookB]

Check Ichibei's profile.

TF. Why's Yamamoto looking like he's on life support but Ichibei looks barely 60- Bleach ages are wild.

 

[AppleLord]

Or you are manipulating it so he can somehow have haki and resist devil fruit abilities

I'm telling you that Respira won't be stopped by Room because is techncally the same as haki. Spiritual energy. Everyone outside of VSBW knows Haki is spiritual energy, now I come here to some fanfiction about haki not been spiritual energy.

 

[SnookB]

I'm telling you that Respira won't be stopped by Room because is techncally the same as haki. Spiritual energy. Everyone outside of VSBW knows Haki is spiritual energy, now I come here to some fanfiction about haki not been spiritual energy.

No one said room is stopping respira?
We were just saying Respira isn't aging Room. That's different entirely- Room exists and Respira exists inside of it just fine. It's Law's abilities that can or can't be stopped via respira.

 

[AppleLord]

Or you are manipulating it so he can somehow have haki and resist devil fruit abilities

Google it. Is the first thing that comes out about haki. Is spiritual energies.

 

[Deceived3596]

The longest we saw a shinigami live was twenty one thousand years. That pales in comparaison to 130 MILLION. And that's Yamamoto, who looked like he was in his last years as well. At MOST you can stretch it to 300 thousand years.

No we haven't, the longest we seen Shinigami live is Royal Guard members who have been alive for 1 Million years at least so this is just blatantly wrong. basic rock-structures like stones or pebbles you see on the street don't compare to mountains which is were your getting 130 Million number from, instead of just googling shit actually read the damn article you got that number from. Yamamoto isn't the longest living Shinigami, your wrong. Also just because he looks like he had a couple years to live doesn't mean he did. Bleach Characters physical appearance doesn't denote age nor how long they can live.

This is very basic concept that is consistently shown to us in the series to be true.

Depends on the environment. Law was shown cutting chunks off the ground, or hills/mountains to use shambles. If he gets one while it's being decayed he can teleport it in a blink. (There's no cooldown after all.) Your only reasoning is "no he doesn't". And you never specified what kind of battlefield- my mind goes straight to a wasteland because Dragon Ball ruined my view on "battlefields" like that. Every big fight goes there

Look up the standard battlefield for SBA.

 

[AppleLord]

No one said room is stopping respira?
We were just saying Respira isn't aging Room. That's different entirely- Room exists and Respira exists inside of it just fine. It's Law's abilities that can or can't be stopped via respira.

I know. Is just my response to the guy who said Law can teleport Respira into Barragan but he can't because his abilities can't affect haki which is spiritual energy. Respira is spiritual energy.

 

[AppleLord]

No we haven't, the longest we seen Shinigami live is Royal Guard members who have been alive for 1 Million years at least so this is just blatantly wrong. basic rock-structures like stones or pebbles you see on the street don't compare to mountains which is where your getting 130 Million number from, instead of just googling shit actually read the damn article you got that number from. Yamamoto isn't the longest living Shinigami, your wrong. Also just because he looks like he had a couple years to live doesn't mean he did.


Look at the standard battlefield for SBA.

Calm your ****. We can play nice.

 

[AppleLord]

I'm going to go watch Walking Dead. I'll answer later.

 

[Deceived3596]

Calm your ****. We can play nice.

I am calm, i'm just being direct and assertive since i don't want to go down this argument given its blatant inaccuracies. That's it.

 

[Loyd]

Voting Law because "Room" sounds cooler than "Respira"

lol no it doesn't.

 

[SnookB]

No we haven't, the longest we seen Shinigami live is Royal Guard members who have been alive for 1 Million years at least so this is just blatantly wrong. basic rock-structures like stones or pebbles you see on the street don't compare to mountains which is where your getting 130 Million number from, instead of just googling shit actually read the damn article you got that number from. Yamamoto isn't the longest living Shinigami, your wrong. Also just because he looks like he had a couple years to live doesn't mean he did.

Relax. Again, I assumed the battlefield wrong. Missed the location section on the SBA page and was under the assumption that the fight is more or less in a wasteland-like area.

I know. Is just my response to the guy who said Law can teleport Respira into Barragan but he can't because his abilities can't affect haki which is spiritual energy. Respira is spiritual energy.

Aaah.
Law shouldn't be able to teleport Respira itself. Just something else that's being caught in it.
Does Barragan resist space manip? If not, I'll go by your words on him "always letting his opponents go first".
Law's slashes when using "Amputate" are as intangible as room itself. If Baraggan chooses to take it, then he'd be turned to cheese cubes in seconds.

 

[Deceived3596]

If you deadass believe that "Room" sounds cooler then "Respira" then you smoke crack for a living.

 

[SnookB]

Spanish named techniques always sound cooler. Kubo blessed us with them just because he thought it sounded cool. And wasn't wrong.

 

[T2KBaka]

Law can displace things in room. Haki passively resists Law's spatial displacement, and more than likely his ability to "sever" targets or swap souls.

Room bypasses Haki. Room's ABILITIES that control space, swap souls, etc, are negged by Haki. The dome itself still doesn't get stopped.

Wouldn't that just be a devil fruit weakness. It doesn't work because of Haki, doesn't mean he's suddenly tanking X-axis shots

 

[SnookB]

Wouldn't that just be a devil fruit weakness. It doesn't work because of Haki, doesn't mean he's suddenly tanking X-axis shots

There's no such thing as "devil fruit weakness" aside from water. The devil fruit "abilities" don't rely on the DF. The DF is just a catalyst and once eaten, transfers the ability to the user. Haki users don't interact with "devil fruits", according to Rayleigh, they interact with "The abilities" that the devil fruits give.
So- less a DF weakness, more just ability resistance on Haki's part.

 

[T2KBaka]

There's no such thing as "devil fruit weakness" aside from water. The devil fruit "abilities" don't rely on the DF. The DF is just a catalyst and once eaten, transfers the ability to the user. Haki users don't interact with "devil fruits", according to Rayleigh, they interact with "The abilities" that the devil fruits give.
So- less a DF weakness, more just ability resistance on Haki's part.

Sea stone hand cuffs aren't technically water. I know they don't interact with devil fruits, but the abilities. Again that means that the spatial manipulation of that devil fruit is weak to haki, not spatial manipulation from other verses. The spatial manipulation from the op op fruit is weak to haki, while spatial manipulation from X-Axis from Bleach, or spatial magic from BC aren't subject to that weakness. Unless you wanna equalize haki = reiatsu which makes it worse

It's still a weakness at the end

 

[SnookB]

Sea stone hand cuffs aren't technically water. I know they don't interact with devil fruits, but the abilities. Again that means that the spatial manipulation of that devil fruit is weak to haki, not spatial manipulation from other verses. The spatial manipulation from the op op fruit is weak to haki, while spatial manipulation from X-Axis from Bleach, or spatial magic from BC aren't subject to that weakness. Unless you wanna equalize haki = reiatsu which makes it worse

It's still a weakness at the end

Sea Prism stone has the "energy of the sea" or some weird plot thing around those lines.
Again, there's no "devil fruit exclusive" thing. Devil fruits just give you an ability, and how strong it is is based on the user. If a devil fruit had a limit to what it can give you, Crocodile wouldn't say the ability grows the further you train it. And Luffy's rubberiness when initially given was out of control and sloppy, without direction, but he controlled it. Oda himself stated abilities get stronger based on the user, not the fruit that gives you it.
The fruits aren't a "limit", and have no limit on what they can give you (unless it's Zoans, then your limit is obviously the beast you get). It isn't that spatial manip from Ope Ope is weak, it's that LAW himself is weaker than the Yonko, therefore his space manip from the Ope Ope doesn't work on them. If law surpasses a Yonko, his space manip would work on them in the future. (In fact one of his abilities did bypass haki when he awakened hence why he was able to use Shock Wille on Linlin)

That's why Haki's elemental intangibility negation isn't limited to "only works on devil fruit users", because Rayleigh's quote is:

"Armament" is the sole method of combating their ABILITIES. The Devil Fruit is literally just a means of transfering the ability, not its limiter. Elemental intangibility from it isn't "Devil fruit intangibility", it's based on the element it gives you.

If you disagree, make a CRT and turn armament's elemental intangibility negation into "limited". This was discussed time and time on the wiki and the general view is that the DF is not the limit, the USER is, and Haki is, since it's literally a counter-measure ability that works against the abilities.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If a devil fruit had a limit to what it can give you, Crocodile wouldn't say the ability grows the further you train it. And Luffy's rubberiness when initially given was out of control and sloppy, without direction, but he controlled it. Oda himself stated abilities get stronger based on the user, not the fruit that gives you it.

You do know it's stated in the Databook as well, that devil fruit abilities become as strong as one trains them

 

[SnookB]

You do know it's stated in the Databook as well, that devil fruit abilities become as strong as one trains them

Yup. There's in-story and outside support of the fact that DF abilities don't belong to the DF, the DF is just a means of containing the ability.

That's like saying characters resistant to chakra generated fire can only resist fire that's from CHAKRA specifically, or other verses energy systems creating elements (like Bleach characters creating lightning or ice) can only resist each other's elements and effects.