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You've been debunked several times on this topic on many discord servers just stop lmao
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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what? Who are you anyway and i never been debunked on this topic. If you feel you can debunk me go ahead
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My old discord tag was ex nihilo and we would always clown on you about this in Clyde's servers and the bleach one lmao
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Yama went Bankai off rip out of rage due to immense hatred towards Yhwach.
Bazz offset Shikai flames.
I’m lowkey fine with FB Ichigo > Shikai Yama, but uh we are talking about his Bankai.
No one but Yhwach could control Yama’s BANKAI we ain’t saying his Shikai far outscales everyone else.
Kenny couldn’t be sensed by his soldiers, so while he certainly isn’t Aizen levels of transcendent at that point, he is some kind of transcendent.
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Yo I didn’t even know this was you
nice to see you here
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That’s a feat that get overlooked a lot since it is stated 2 times that the Kototsu isn’t something that soul society as whole can minimally handle by both gin and Isshin yet Aizen casually destroy it, basically Kubo telling us that Aizen surpassed everyone and surpassed reason but I think it is difficult to get at this point
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Ahhh yes one of clyde's goons
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Haha you too brotha, just created an account recentlyYo I didn’t even know this was you
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and i just got alerted on discord that the fullbring scale is no longer a thing. welp time to go cry.
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Used to lol
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Yes bazz off set yamas flames with his own that means he has to be relative.
Not being able to control his bankai doesn't mean yama is stronger tbh. Just means you don't have the skill to control it.
Tbh if your stronger than shikai yama you can probably beat bankai yama. Yama can tank the heat of his own bankai. So his base durability should be comparable to his bankai
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Do we have a confirmation of characters sensing Yamamoto’s Shikai Reiatsu? Ukitake sensing his transcendent Reiatsu is understandable per Mimihagi, and Hisagi waking up to the heat of the flames in his skin isn’t the same. Jugram was confused about his Bankai flame Reiatsu. He couldn’t tell if it was an illusion or his Reiatsu… but he wasn’t stated to sense it. 
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get at it fools
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Yama Bankai wasn't revealed for 1k years. As for Shunsui background shown i doubt even he known the power of yama Bankai.
Beside just so Aizen was going to fight the Ichibe doesn't make he is stronger than him.
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You got a scan for that? Or because there wasn’t specially a page where Mayuri himself said he couldn’t sense Zaraki that means he couldn’t?
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People's powerscaling is too one dimensional especially with Yama and Aizen.
Aizen might have been = or even > than Yama in terms of Reiatsu as early as his Shinigami Aizen form but he does not have an Combat AP increasing Zanpakutou. That's one of the things that puts his power below Yama even though his Reiatsu might match up.
If he wants to fight high tier battles, he has to rely on stuff like Kido & Hado which while amazing still get outshined by combat type Zanpakutou.
Of course after transforming, Aizen got Fragor as an energy attack where he didn't have to say spells just to fight.
Also Kenpachi isn't Transcendent unless people change the definition of transcendent. He finally managed to control his Reiatsu, something any fodder Arrancar can do. Shinigami might not be as good at concealing their Reiatsu but I assume everyone in Soi Fon's division could do the same thing in their sleep.
Aizen might have been = or even > than Yama in terms of Reiatsu as early as his Shinigami Aizen form but he does not have an Combat AP increasing Zanpakutou. That's one of the things that puts his power below Yama even though his Reiatsu might match up.
If he wants to fight high tier battles, he has to rely on stuff like Kido & Hado which while amazing still get outshined by combat type Zanpakutou.
Of course after transforming, Aizen got Fragor as an energy attack where he didn't have to say spells just to fight.
Also Kenpachi isn't Transcendent unless people change the definition of transcendent. He finally managed to control his Reiatsu, something any fodder Arrancar can do. Shinigami might not be as good at concealing their Reiatsu but I assume everyone in Soi Fon's division could do the same thing in their sleep.
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Agree with Gitagon. Having higher reiatsu doesn't always mean you can physicaly repel Zanpakuto attacks. Aizen was cut by Shinji , Kensei dealt heavy damage to Tokinada with his Bankai...
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The shinji vs aizen was more than likely an illusion, as aizen does not have that cut later on
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I don't see the issue with bankai kensei harming toki, it could literally mean that his bankai post-war is just that strong now. We know that all souls get stronger whilst in the midst of mortal combat and kensei got F***** up badly multiple times in the war lmao
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I was talking about the reiatsu=physical. Kensei might've gotten a boost but it's like saying he has same amount of reiatsu as Byakuya , Yoruichi....
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FYI if u dont have a strong body u can die from ur Reiatsu
so reiatsu and physical stats are relative
so reiatsu and physical stats are relative
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The point is that even if you have higher reiatsu than your opponent their Zanpakuto can still cut/harm you. ie- Zanpakuto > Physical
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Physical? are you talking about durability?
Again there's nothing intrinsically incorrect about the potency of CFYOW kensei's bankai being comparable to byakuya and yoruichi's AP. To my knowledge there's no statement or feat confirming that byakuya and base yoruichi's SP/AP > CFYOW kensei's bankai.
Ngl you seem to be arguing from personal incredulity
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I agree with this. But the two combatants still need to be somewhat relative/same order of magnitude in power for this to happen. Which is why we powerscale like this for series like bleach and DB seeing how spirit energy and ki is stated and shown to work
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Just gonna point out that Pikaro did that in WotL to replenish his energy and didn’t affect the Kishi so its not an actual black hole.
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spiritual black hole
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Shush
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Uh …… they already FTL and the feat won’t exactly work out how you want cuz Azashiro couldn’t escape it. Got his ass KO’d by random kids and woke up in the Dangai or Garganta cuz they absorbed the reishi he was fused with in WotL.
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Idk man, I was joking
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