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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

  1. Kenpachi
  2. Yama
  3. Aizen (non Transcendent)
  4. Kisuke/Isshin/Gin
  5. Bankai Byakuya/Adult Toshiro
  6. Mayuri (doesn’t change his spot but this includes Nemu as standard equipment)
  7. Shunsui/not dying Ukitake/Yoruichi (could be up with 4 or 5 depending on what she used in CFYOW against Tokinada)
  8. Azashiro/Kuruyashiki
  9. Retsu
  10. Rukia
  11. Kensei (can’t remember what he does in the Novels)
  12. Human Sajin
  13. Tōsen
  14. Rose/Love
  15. Shinji (same thing as Kensei besides using his Bankai)
  16. Soifon
  17. Kid Toshiro
  18. Dying Ukitake
 
Was it? I was under the impression it was based on who beats who (which makes it so much more fucky since some of these dudes are just hax but then I need to think about speed scaling to see if they die before they can use it). If it’s power then yeah, you’d definitely be right.
 
What Damage said. Quilge only found them after they noticed the beam of light coming through a hole made by his Sklaverei.
Yeah i think a better example is when yachiru detected guenael lee. Who can erase his existence from all your senses and memory.

This can a good feat for spiritual pressure detection which allows them to fight unconsciously.
 
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I just finished reading all of the stuff from "bleach the dagger" 1,2,3,4 and 5. Here's a summary of the juicy stuff:

It's confirmed that yhwach stomped Kenpachi and not royd

unohana was equal/relative to kid Kenpachi which is vey impressive as kid Kenpachi = unrestricted TYBW base Kenpachi w/o eyepatch

every single captain trained daily during the 9 day break. This could help explain shunsui being able to fight post-aushwalen lille despite him losing to robert who is one of the weaker Sternritters as stated by liltotto.
 
Why is Shunsui so high on your list? especially sharing a spot with Adult Toshiro? Dude has ass scaling in the TYBW Arc that doesn't compare even to people like Mayuri and especially not Toshiro.
😐 Shinsui > Lille ( except he was immortal he didn't die) also By Reatsu itself his Bankai release shook whole SK palace.

Lille was captain of Yhwach royal gurads. He himself stated he is the greatest champion Yhwach ever had. His speed was good enough to even dodge Lille light attacks.

Lille one shoted Oetsu Zero squad in base. Even his gun is made up off Reishi. It does scale to him. I could go on. But main point is Shunsui ain't featless.

Put Shunsui and Toshiro on same spots because its whoever pulls up their moves first wins
Shunsui can go Bankai and smoke Toshiro. Toshiro can flash freezes Shunsui. It can go either way.
 
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Shinsui > Lille ( except he was immortal he didn't die) also By Reatsu itself his Bankai release shook whole SK palace.
Shunsui is above Liile correct but the thing is Lille doesn't have any AP scaling given all of his Attacks negate durability via The X-Axis. Shunsui's Bankai never shook the Wahrwelt, he darkened it with his Reiatsu via is Bankai and gave chills to everyone their but that's about it.

Lille was captain of Yhwach royal gurads. He himself stated he is the greatest champion Yhwach ever had. His speed was good enough to even dodge Lille light attacks.

Lille one shoted Oetsu Zero squad in base. Even his gun is made up off Reishi. It does scale to him. I could go on. But main point is Shunsui ain't featless
So? that doesn't denote he's stronger then the other members that only means he leads the Shutzstaffel, that's like saying Jugram is the strongest Sternritter given his Grandmaster status despite contradictory statements and feats from characters like Gremmy and Gerard, titles don't really denote strength inherently without proper context. Gerard literally states the same thing in his fight so that statement isn't concrete by any means, also Lille speaks in a very hyperbolic manner given his consent ramblings about being "God's Messenger" and the "Closest the God" so take his statements with a large grain of salt, especially one's dealing with his strength. I'm not even addressing this one since my entire list is about Power/Reiatsu so speed scaling doesn't matter.

That's because he has Durability Negation via The X-Axis so that wouldn't scale to his AP, also Oetsu doesn't scale to any of the top-characters i stated so even if was through pure AP rather then hax it doesn't even help your argument given his own doodoo feats. Ok? that doesn't denote any-level of strength, Sure but this still doesn't help because Lille has no AP scaling that puts him relative even to people like Pernida which Mayuri scales relative towards. Never said he was featless, i said his feats suck ass in terms of Power/Reiatsu because the do and you haven't actually addressed that argument.

Put Shunsui and Toshiro on same spots because its whoever pulls up their moves first
Shunsui can go Bankai and smoke Toshiro. Toshiro can flash freezes Shunsui. It can go either way
No because my list is about Power/Reiatsu rather then who wins in a fight. actually read my previous post to understand my list before attacking a strawman argument that i didn't create.

Hmm...is this ranking based on hax and abilities? Canon? Amount of reiatsu? Who beats who?

I can see some contention on this list (ex. Placement of 2,3 and 4 as well as 7 and 8 being lower than expected)
Yomi asked me what my list is based on. i replied with
Purely Power/Reiatsu.

Can you explain more in-depth about these contentions?.
 
No because my list is about Power/Reiatsu rather then who wins in a fight. actually read my previous post to understand my list before attacking a strawman argument that i didn't create.
I am not attacking you bro 😭. I just gave my reason. Also i scaled character based on whoever smokes others who are scaled lower in my point of view.
 
dont see where it says that was the real YH and not Loyd
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Keep in mind this came out after the unohana fight
 
If your referring to CT then he just teleport away or just not be affect by it's gravity. He has a much higher resistance to gravity due to tanking kido 90's gravity which is so great that atomizes things.
It also depends on where you scale them both in AP. As normal CTs can get destroyed from within or from the outside.
 
Keep in mind this came out after the unohana fight
That doesn't show that the actual Yhwach was the one that beat Kenpachi, the scans states "Kenpachi was defeated by Bach" which is true he was defeated by "Bach" but not the actual "Bach" he was beaten by Royd Loyd who was copying Yhwach's Appearance and Memories. It coming out post the Unohana vs Kenpachi fight doesn't matter since the entire page is literally just re-stating what happen during the Invasion. That's it.

It doesn't even make narrative sense for it to be the Yhwach because he was talking to Aizen the entire time the invasion was happening as he himself states.
 
That doesn't show that the actual Yhwach was the one that beat Kenpachi, the scans states "Kenpachi was defeated by Bach" which is true he was defeated by "Bach" but not the actual "Bach" he was beaten by Royd Loyd who was copying Yhwach's Appearance and Memories. It coming out post the Unohana vs Kenpachi fight doesn't matter since the entire page is literally just re-stating what happen during the Invasion. That's it.

It doesn't even make narrative sense for it to be the Yhwach because he was talking to Aizen the entire time the invasion was happening as he himself states.
You make a good point with the last scans I suppose. Idk I just find it really strange that they would purposefully confuse the reader by saying that Kenpachi got defeated by bach even though it was supposedly royd, it'd still be technically wrong to call an impersonator by the name of the person they're impersonating but hey ig that's just incredulity on my part lmao
 
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