BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[ReaperAndBlues]

This is where my lack of experience gets my ass kicked, I KNEW Hollow Corruption still worked and Naruto wasn't resisting, but I needed the proof to debunk it not being active.

Dammit Arcker I can't help but thank ya.

 

[Arcker123]

How else do you think Quilge could fuse with Ayon?

Did Kubo just forgot the plot point he used that exact scene to explain directly after.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

How else do you think Quilge could fuse with Ayon?

Did Kubo just forgot the plot point he used that exact scene to explain directly after.

Even then, Ayon had also caused problems when he did it. Urahara stated this.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Resistance =/= immunity. You can be affected by something, but still be resisting it. Just cuz a character isn’t flat out immune to something doesn’t discredit it from being a resistance.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Resistance =/= immunity. You can be affected by something, but still be resisting it. Just cuz a character isn’t flat out immune to something doesn’t discredit it from being a resistance.

Well of course. On this wiki there are only a few instances where a character has an "immunity".

NEP for example is immune to certain conventional hax such as Soul Manipulation.

Quilge had taken in even more Hollow DNA, which of course meant his resistance was pushed to it's limit.

This is what layers are for, because there are greater degrees for abilities that makes the weakest resistance not be able to cut it.

 

[Arcker123]

Yeah guys staff must be super biased towards Deceived and Arc. It’s not like Deceived and Arc are doing something as simple as messaging staff and asking them to comment… who would do such an easy and simple thing?

Genuinely don’t know how someone can be so oblivious to the fact that people just don’t agree with their scaling.

Where was she in the original 2020 Uni Bleach threads?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Where was she in the original 2020 Uni Bleach threads?

Banned

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Where was she in the original 2020 Uni Bleach threads?

Banned

Unironically this ^

 

[GTsek]

A question.

I'm rewatching Bleach and I'm wondering if the verse speed stats on this site are close to what you guys consider the actual scale of the verse or not.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

A question.

I'm rewatching Bleach and I'm wondering if the verse speed stats on this site are close to what you guys consider the actual scale of the verse or not.

I think they’re fine if you subscribe to the Gin and Candice like consistent lightning speed top tiers. But I think it’s super easy to argue for light speed metas with Ceros, Negacion, Shadow blitzing etc.

 

[GTsek]

I think they’re fine if you subscribe to the Gin and Candice like consistent lightning speed top tiers. But I think it’s super easy to argue for light speed metas with Ceros, Negacion, Shadow blitzing etc.

Oh right. Ceros and Negacion I think I remember, something like them being real light, right? But Shadow blitzing is new to me.

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

Uryu does it in SS arc.

Spoiler

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Deceived and I were looking at the Naruto vs Ichigo thread, and y’all are getting bodied by KidKinsey and BlackeJan. Like y’all are getting son’d by the Naruto goons. Actually tragic.

huh? aint those banned? or is it only Kaguya vs YH and madara vs aizen?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

huh? aint those banned? or is it only Kaguya vs YH and madara vs aizen?

They got unbanned

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Oh right. Ceros and Negacion I think I remember, something like them being real light, right? But Shadow blitzing is new to me.

Yep as posted earlier, Uryu blitzes his own shadow and a shadow is just a lack of light, so he’d have to move out of the way faster than light hit the ground to eliminate his shadow. I also don’t think there is a good debunk for light speed Ceros, at least not one I’ve seen.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

They got unbanned

what got them unbanned?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

what got the unbanned?

The matches

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

Yep as posted earlier, Uryu blitzes his own shadow and a shadow is just a lack of light, so he’d have to move out of the way faster than light hit the ground to eliminate his shadow. I also don’t think there is a good debunk for light speed Ceros, at least not one I’ve seen.

Isn't Gin's mach 500 bankai a debunk? It's the most common counterargument I've seen against LS Bleach.

 

[KingogKings777]

Isn't Gin's mach 500 bankai a debunk? It's the most common counterargument I've seen against LS Bleach.

I thought there were scans or a translation saying that it said nothing about the sound or something?

 

[Arcker123]

Isn't Gin's mach 500 bankai a debunk? It's the most common counterargument I've seen against LS Bleach.

It's a mistranslation

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

Is the manga panel mistranslated or the databook?

 

[Arcker123]

Is the manga panel mistranslated or the databook?

The "hear that, it's 500 times faster" is mistranslated.

The databook makes no reference to sound either

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

The "hear that, it's 500 times faster" is mistranslated.

That sounds about right.

The databook makes no reference to sound either

Wait really? Bruh. I've been told for years that the databooks say that Gin's Bankai is mach 500.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

1) I remain agnostic as to what Gin is referring to since he makes no explicit mention to either the clap motion or clap sound (thus I am making no assertion and presuming nothing) and 2) there’s such a consistent light speed meta that I believe it has the greater preponderance of evidence in comparison.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I’m ngl the databook might verbatim say “Gin compares the speed of KnY to the speed at which he strikes his hands.” Which would also make Arcker correct in saying the comparison is not to sound but to the movement of his hands.

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

Does anyone have the scan for that? I'd like it for future reference.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I’m ngl the databook might verbatim say “Gin compares the speed of KnY to the speed at which he strikes his hands.” Which would also make Arcker correct in saying the comparison is not to sound but to the movement of his hands.

I'm so bad with acronyms, I seriously read that as Kimetsu no Yaiba instead of Kamishini no Yari

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Here’s my translation and scan.
「神殿」 が伸縮する速さを、己の手を打つ速さになずらえる
Kamishininoyari's expansion and contraction speed is compared to the speed at which Gin strikes his hands ~ Arc

I do have speed revisions planned but I’m unsure of what meta I’ll argue for atm.

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

神殿

You missed the last character for Kamishini No Yari.

I’m unsure of what meta I’ll argue for atm.

Aim high and aim true. Let's get it to infinite speed.

 

[Nierre]

I’m ngl the databook might verbatim say “Gin compares the speed of KnY to the speed at which he strikes his hands.”

Kimetsu no Yaiba

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You missed the last character for Kamishini No Yari.

Aim high and aim true. Let's get it to infinite speed.

I’m painfully aware I typod KnY, I fixed it in the imgur. Gin’s “did you hear that? It’s 500x faster than that” could potentially also be a mistranslation. Not in the sense that interpretations of it referencing sound speed are inherently wrong, but moreso that VIZ’s translation implying it is only in reference to sound as opposed to being a lot more vague, are a bit misleading. This is all to say, I got a lot of work cut out for me, and for better or worse (upgrade or downgrade) Gin might lose that Mach 500 statement.

 

[Deceived3596]

What you guys didn't know is that Gin wasn't talking about the clap of his hands, but rather that turbulence he was hitting while looking at Ichigo dead in his eyes.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

“Ichigo… did you get that? I can clap 500x faster without my hands.” ~ Ichimaru Gin

 

[Deceived3596]

“Ichigo… did you get that? I can clap 500x faster without my hands.” ~ Ichimaru Gin

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Did you pray today?

 

[SlendVeny]

“Ichigo… did you get that? I can clap 500x faster without my hands.” ~ Ichimaru Gin

Buto Renjeez nuts

 

[KingogKings777]

Here’s my translation and scan.
「神殿」 が伸縮する速さを、己の手を打つ速さになずらえる
Kamishininoyari's expansion and contraction speed is compared to the speed at which Gin strikes his hands ~ Arc

I do have speed revisions planned but I’m unsure of what meta I’ll argue for atm.

500x ftl gin based
also based firefox user

 

[KingogKings777]

“Ichigo… did you get that? I can clap 500x faster without my hands.” ~ Ichimaru Gin

A pair of cheeks clapping.

 

[Deceived3596]

500x ftl gin based
also based firefox user

No

 

[KingogKings777]

No

yes