Asriel Dreemurr Versus Alphamon...'s Shadow

[MugenRyu]

I believe Dragon wanted a rematch to happen between Asriel and alphamon for quite awhile, so just to be that guy, I'm Instead putting Full Power Asriel up against Death-X-mon. ovo

- Both are 2-A

Asriel: 0

Dexmo: 1 (Fate)

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I'm not familiar to all his powers. What exactly would he do here?

 

[Penguinkingpin]

They both have power nullification, both are incorporeal, both have durability negation ((not mentioned on Asriel's page but literally every other monster in UT has it.)) One has Void manipulation and other has Existence erasure. I, have nothing really. Inconclusive?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Is his durability negation Soul based?

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Yes/No. SOUL magic. It attacks the culmination of your being ignoring durability.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What is said being lacks a soul?

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Hm. It worked on Flowey who didn't have a soul, a soul, not a SOUL.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

In UT, if it has a physical being, or exists, it has a SOUL, not necessarily a soul.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I am confused.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

In UT, a SOUL is different than a soul. A SOUL is the culmination of a being, both physically, mentally, and spiritually. SOUL magic negates the durability of all of them.In other words, if it is sentient and has a form, it has a SOUL, not necessarily a soul.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Is it like Digimon Digicores which are equivalent to Mind, Body and Soul?

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Possibly? Not sure. Does a Digicore include a spirit?

 

[FateAlbane]

I don't think SOUL magic ignores durability on all levels, it just hits in all of them. Otherwise every monster would hit you like Sans with KR.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

No. Sans' power comes from the fact he ignores immunity frames hence his reality warping/spatial manipulation powers.

 

[Kaltias]

SOUL is more like "your being as a whole". iirc Frisk was even losing memories because Asriel was killing them.

Flowey described it as "the very culmination of your being"

 

[FateAlbane]

@Penguim Game mechanics. For VS debates, the consensus (for Sans) was that it is Soul Poison. Other monsters can hit you on those levels but they don't have durability negation in all of them.

EDIT: I legit made a question in regards to this.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I'm still lost. So is would it effect someone who lacks a Digicore in which encompasses Mind, Body and Soul? He also has a Resistance to Existence Erasure as well. I am still lost here.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Sorry if I'm being annoying with this question.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Not in all of them, but to an extent, as explained on their profiles. Honestly, this question means more to me than the character fight. I couldn't give half a buttocks who won here. Asriel's considered the 2-A punching bag anyway.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Dragon I think SOUL refers to body and soul (maybe mind as well though I don't remember a mention of that, it may be just my memory failing me). If someone lacks a Soul, SOUL magic will hit them on the Physical Level anyways. Possibly/Likely on the mind, too.

 

[Kaltias]

It's basically a "hits someone at every level" type of thing. It would affect him, but at this point idk if it would negate dura since he lacks the part where dura should be negated

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well, a Digicore represents the Digimon as a whole as explained in this blog.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Wait, would Dexmon be affected by data manipulation?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

All Digimon are Data. However, he would have high level Data Manipulation as well.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Oh, if that's the case than yes, SOUL magic would be ineffective on a durability ignoring scale.

 

[Kaltias]

Isn't Asriel's data manipulation only SAVE and LOAD?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Why does Asriel have Data Manipulation anyway?

 

[FateAlbane]

@Dragon Well, if Dexmon lacks a Digicore does that mean he's like, without any of these things: Body, Mind and Soul?

If that's the cause I can see SOUL Magic outright going through the thing, or at least being moot.

 

[Kaltias]

@Dragon

Because there isn't any soul to hit, so he'll have to meet the regular dura

 

[Penguinkingpin]

SOUL magic attacks an individual as a whole, a single culmination including mind, body, and spirit. If the Digicore is the culmination of that and he doesn't have a Digicore, SOUL magic wouldn't effect him.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well that's the issue. He clearly has intelligence as he can talk, but Iis mostly bestial and mindless. He doesn't have a body nor a soul however....

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Yeah, so, given his durability negation, existence erasure, and reactive evolution, my vote is for Dexmon.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Put simply this. SOUL = Culmination of the being as a whole. Digicore = Culmination of the Digimon as a whole. The two are equal.

 

[Kaltias]

Actually not sure if Asriel could LOAD after being erased. But other than that, the battle is relatively even. So dunno for now

 

[Penguinkingpin]

My vote is either inconclusive or Dexmon.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Dragon Then SOUL magic will be moot or at least not effective enough to be a decisive factor, considering Dexmon is without a Soul, without a body and seems to be utterly non-corporeal. At best it will be like hitting a fighter with a club for Asriel, at worst it will be the same as hitting a ghost with a club.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I see. Then I vote Dexmon via these techniques.

Process F: Detects the opponent's Digicore and rips it out with its claws. (Note when attacking other characters, we count Digicore hax as soul based attacks only)

Process 0: Disassembles and deletes the opponent, appearing to smash them with its hand.

As well as being mostly resistant to SOUL based hax.

 

[FateAlbane]

Just a question before I can actually vote, would this stuff get past Asriel's SAVE/LOAD?

I'm legit asking because I dunno.

 

[Kaltias]

A simple soulscrew probably wouldn't. Dunno about the existence erasure though

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well once Dexmon takes the Digicore, he deletes it.