Asriel Dreemurr Versus Alphamon...'s Shadow

[Penguinkingpin]

I forgot about load and save...Inconclusive, Asriel doesn't have the hax to kill Dexmon, and Dexmon doesn't have the hax to get through SAVE and LOAD

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Does SAVE and LOAD save him from deletion?

 

[Kaltias]

@Dragon

SAVE and LOAD always kicks in when your SOUL is destroyed.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Imagine if you could save, literally be obliterated into nothingness and erasure, and load back to where you saved.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I see then. Inconclusive then.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Alphamo does that. ovo

 

[Penguinkingpin]

There are no winners here.

 

[Kaltias]

It's a bit like Alphamon in that regard. Unless your attack can kill him hard enough, Asriel just resets

Edit:Ninja'd ovo

 

[FateAlbane]

Not sure yet.

SAVE/LOAD can be used if you die to load it back to whatever point in time.

It's dependant on timelines also.

I dunno, I've seen people returning from Death in UT via SAVE/LOAD but like Kaltias I'm not sure if they can come back from existence erasure (only Chara confirmed that with Mid-Godly regen and they weren't necessarily erased, just very dead).

Can Dexmon destroy like all timelines?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Speaking of Alphamon. Asriel has a fight with him ...That's way over a month old, but never go attention....

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Huh, I thought Asriel lost to him.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well, he was going to erase all of existence in which would include the Memorial Stala in which hold all of the history of the Digital World

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Wait. I just checked, Alphamon and Asriel fought and it was inconclusive....And it's inconclusive again.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Nah, looking at the thread, they tied because at the time we didn't know if Alphamon could attack Non-Corporeal opponents. But he beat Dexmon soooo.

 

[FateAlbane]

Well, if Dexmon destroys all timelines, there's no more SAVE/LOAD for Asriel then if he gets erased after that he probs dies.

Just not sure if that would take forever or if it would go like that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Tfw Alphamon tied with an immeasurable opponent without speed equal...while he was only FTL.

 

[Kaltias]

Tbh Alphamon vs Asriel could be called "What happens when two save scummers fight each other" OvO

 

[Penguinkingpin]

That's asking how long it'd take to destroy infinite timelines. It wouldn't. It'd never f'ing end.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well, he also became one with the Digital World and was going to destroy it. The Digital World has Infinite Timelines and possibilities, but y'know...

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I mean Asriel could LOAD even outside his respective timeline.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Assuming that we equalize verses here. Could Dexmon do that in a multiverse that wasn't the digital world?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yeah, this is just inconclusive.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Assuming that we equalize verses here. Could Dexmon do that in a multiverse that wasn't the digital world?

That is unknown. As such I'm not betting on it.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Penguim That's why I'm asking if he can do it. Also the world of UT has countless timelines anyways, not infinite ones.

Since Dex seems to have a feat of destroying infinite timelines, I'm leaning more on him atm albeit he might want to take a deck of cards and make some tea as that could take a while.

Edit: Uh, yeah, no, if it can destroy infinite timelines, countless timelines will be a cinch.

I vote Dexmon.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

@Saikou. Did he?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Jeez, ya'll changing my votes a lot. I'll wait before I make a final vote. ovo

 

[FateAlbane]

@Saik He could? How? Asriel never used Save/Load, we only see Flowey doing that and assume Asriel can do it - nothing wrong with that as he should have all the previous abilities, but in UT SAVE/LOAD always has to do with timelines/time manip.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Correction:

I think that was Omega Flowey, if we count the battleground of that fight as outside the timeline (Which I think we do). Not that the existence of a timeline matters with immeasurable people.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Saik He needs timelines to load. Whenever they SAVE/LOAD, a timeline is created through that and they load to that point in time.

If all timelines are destroyed, there's nowhere to LOAD from. Asriel at that point might still be able to create new ones via SAVE, but then he'll be up against a thing that can destroy infinite timelines and proceed to Erase him from existence.

That should do the trick so I stay with Dexmon.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Also here are sources of the Digiverse's size.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Except that Asriel at that point is Immeasurable. Time manipulation that relies on 4D time isn't usable when the characters dealing with it are beyond time.

 

[FateAlbane]

Saik, 2-A is still 4D power, even if they are Immeasurable. So yeah, Asriel's power of SAVE/LOAD is reliant on timelines. For example the Time Devourer is above baseline 2-A, entirely disconnected from time and Immeasurable. Doesn't mean his time-space powers don't have anything to do with timelines.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

If you're literally beyond time, resetting, stopping, slowing, etc. time won't do anything at all against you. What you're saying is that someone who transcends the flow of time would be affected by someone reversing said flow of time.

 

[FateAlbane]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Asriel's power of Save and especially Load relies on timelines to be usable. If Dexmon destroys all timelines, that power will become unusable. And apparently going from their respective timeline feats, Asriel can't create timelines via SAVE faster than Dexmon can destroy them (if it can destroy Infinite ones like its profile states...). Destroying all the timelines won't do anything to Asriel - but it will prevent him from coming back through Save and Load if he gets erased later.

Hence, at that point, he can't resurrect if Dexmon kills it directly through something such as Existence Erasure. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I honestly have no idea where the whole thing about Save Files being Timelines comes from. Asriel could destroy the timeline but not Frisk's Savefile. Really it has always acted more as time manipulation.

 

[FateAlbane]

@ Saik Azzy kinda explained this whole deal in this blog post .

 

[Penguinkingpin]

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

If you're literally beyond time, resetting, stopping, slowing, etc. time won't do anything at all against you. What you're saying is that someone who transcends the flow of time would be affected by someone reversing said flow of time.

Not entirely true.

 

[MugenRyu]

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[MugenRyu]

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