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Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

Expectro2000xxx said:
I don't think anyone had said that they are nerfed in the after stories.
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My bad
also onmyouji can resist "pride of the villager"
Oy, don’t put on air and spit out everything already. Kousuke said as he swung the five yen coin back and forth.

The young man seemed to gradually regain his former self, so he remade him into a villager again. As expected, perhaps he had some resistance due to being an onmyouji……it was dangerous to apply the brainwashing multiple times like this but there was no other way. ch 407
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soul shell protect from the Dragon
In addition of his natural resistance, artifact for countermeasure against the thought of the “Dragon” ――”Spirit Shell” had been provided to everyone here. It completely blocked the mind attack. And so, there was already nothing that could stand in the way of the lord.
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some dragon gods authorities
That lightning came with speed that left its thunderous sound behind. It felt like it might annihilated everything and anything of the lower world. It was undoubtedly a display of a godly might.

Such attack that really ought to be called as “kaminari” fell on the Heaven Tree. A barrier blocked the attack. (TN: Kaminari means lightning, but if the word is broken down further, it can also mean god’s roar) ch 417
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“Kaminari”, “dragon’s roars”, the authorities of destruction and death rushed toward the barrier from all directions.

A creaking sound rang out. The radiance of the heaven’s tree was flickering as though the tree was screaming. ch 417
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Kousuke darkness magic feat (I know he has it)
Surely they could never even imagine in their dreams that after Kousuke made his clone, put up full powered invisibility and dashed around the great wall, he intentionally used darkness element magic to block the light to make a show of the clones’ appearance! ch 417
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difference between SHiKi and SHikigami
For them onmyouji, there were two kinds of “shiki”. First was “shiki”. The caster put their image along with their jutsu into a receptacle and made it manifest into a familiar. The familiar would be like a drone without any will.

The other was “shikigami”. This referred to apparition that was bound by the caster’s jutsu. Naturally it had its own will so there was a risk the shikigami would rebel if the binding slackened. Conversely if the caster could build a relationship of trust with the shikigami, they would be able to obtain even greater strength.

There was no need to mention, the shikigami was the more powerful shiki. Some of them even had special power through their legend, and there was also no need for the caster to control every single action of it. ch 417
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sorry to bother but doesn't human/monster hybrid physiology give Hajime the ability to gain skills and resistance plus his stats increase if he eat a
monster equal or stronger than him (monsters created using metamorphosis magic)
Does this add anything to his profile?
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
sorry to bother but doesn't human/monster hybrid physiology give Hajime the ability to gain skills and resistance plus his stats increase if he eat a
monster equal or stronger than him (monsters created using metamorphosis magic)
Does this add anything to his profile?
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yes, but as far as i can tell, the last time he want to eat to gain power is when he encounter the leviathan, which he fail to do so

but it'll be absorption ig
 
Noneless21 said:
yes, but as far as i can tell, the last time he want to eat to gain power is when he encounter the leviathan, which he fail to do so

but it'll be absorption ig
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Don't forget he gain resistance and stats increase (this could helped alot if he ate the leviathan, but he survived and got traumatized)
 
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New Short story chapters "Remnant of Myth and Maiden of the Lake", just the first chapter contain 12000 word.

Arifureta 2nd Season Blu-ray SS​

new sentient artifact "lady of the lake" and new uses for soul magic

 
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This is from the new short story: YUE's golden experience (astral projection and possession)
Yue turned her gaze toward Kaori. Kaori tilted her head while going 「Hm?」 seeing that. Yue grinned.

Kaori’s cheeks convulsed. It was a bad smile! She immediately tried to jump away but she was a bit late.

「――”Purification”!!」

「Sto- ――AAAAAAAAA-!?」

Midway Kaori’s scream changed tone as though it echoed directly inside their brain.

Of course it was like that. Kaori’s head slammed on the table and she laid there unmoving, while at the other side, there was the transparent figure of Kaori floating in the air like balloon. Furthermore she didn’t have the appearance of Noint, but her actual appearance.

『Just what are you doing Yue! My soul came off because of you!』

It seemed she came off. Put me baaack! Put me baaack! Kaori insisted while her hand kept swinging on Yue’s head, but they all simply passed through. It was truly pitiful. What a very lighthearted out-of-body experience.

「……And then, this.」

Yue-sama was grinning with great enjoyment. Her image as a cool beauty was rapidly crumbling. Meanwhile, Yue leaned deeply on her chair and her body became enveloped with golden light. It was the soul separation state that Liliana witnessed. A half-transparent Yue manifested. Kaori went 『If we’re both ghosts then-!』 and rushed forward to hit her with a demonic look, but Yue smoothly evaded. Unbelievably, her soul went into Kaori’s body.

『AH, Yue!? Don’t tell me!』

「……I am Kaori♪ A pervert who always have lewd delusion of Hajime-kun all the time!」
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Noneless21 said:
That just possession
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Thanks, I'm pretty sure the soul leaving the body voluntarily count as astral projection like Laus Barn, anyway you notice how her line symbols『』change when she became a soul (floating) and mentioning hearing her directly inside their brain (Midway Kaori’s scream changed tone as though it echoed directly inside their brain) was that telepathy ?
 
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In arifureta zero we learn that status plate were created using Information magic , so is lv ??? mean his physiology give him something like unlimited growth potential ?
 
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Community_Gamer said:
Wasn't that always the case since he got Transcendence?
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No, transcendence let someone do something he couldn't do before (unlock latent potential, no stats increase) few people could achieve it, while having lv??? mean he doesn't have actual limit (lv100 is the limit, even liberators didn't reach it).

I think that the case for the artist (Hope Elegy) who wanted to draw something beautiful so much that caused him to create a book that absorb people and make them follow the story (immersion and plot manipulation) was that caused by will and transcendence?
 
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Dream manipulation for Soul Magic (didn't someone mention it?)
「……Nn. After all past replay is for watching phenomenon that occurred in reality.」

「We will be able to watch our figures sleeping but, we won’t be able to show the dream that we were seeing at that time. It’s a bit impossible I guess to visualize the past thought of someone.」

「That’s how it is. With soul magic it’s possible to enter inside a dream or projecting a dream in reality, but that’s only when the target art right before us. There art no way to meddle with thought inside one’s mind in a past that doth not exist anymore.」ch 436
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Does this count as resistance to mind reading? (I know Tio has it (Schnee labyrinth) but Hajime can do it too)
After that using the echo of her roar, Shia’s superhuman hearing would narrow down the list even further. Even if that was impossible, she would use her “Future Hypothesis” to look at the future where that place was destroyed.

「Impossible. There wasn’t that kind of thought……there also shouldn’t be any telepathy communication between all of you about that.」

「That was because I intentionally focused on only detecting magic power. Tio too was intentionally keeping out that thought from her mind and only focused on destroying the city.」

Even them if it was Tio then she would be able to analyze at least that much. Furthermore such analysis would be done naturally in her subconscious level. It was something that she was doing naturally as a matter of course in battle.

After all, Hajime himself was doing the same thing. Then there was no way Tio couldn’t do something like that after experiencing living for 500 years.
"Eternal Artifact"
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EL_xWatcher1234x said:
In arifureta zero we learn that status plate were created using Information magic , so is lv ??? mean his phesiology give him something like unlimited growth potential ?
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EL_xWatcher1234x said:
No, transcendence let someone do something he couldn't do before (unlock latent potential, no stats increase) few people could achieve it, while having lv??? mean he doesn't have actual limit (lv100 is the limit, even liberators didn't reach it).

I think that the case for the artist (Hope Elegy) who wanted to draw something beautiful so much that caused him to create a book that absorb people and make them follow the story (immersion and plot manipulation) was that caused by will and transcendence?
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No, Transcendence is the thing that essentially give infinite growth/potential. The ??? was stated to be because the mutations from eating monsters made him transform in another thing different to human, and as result is unknow what is supposed to be his growth limit (same reason as to why is unknow his lifespan or if he even have one to begin with).
 
Hajime can actually see space distortion, this happened before they went to the empire (2nd season blu-ray SS)
The Cross Bit at the top was slashed into two. Naturally the barrier also vanished. If Hajime was unable to detect the flow of magic power and distortion in space with his magic eye, Tio and Ryuutarou would have gotten bisected.

The two became pale from learning that, but nobody had any leeway to call out to the two of them.
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Can anyone tell me at what chapter the skill "Limit Break" is supposed to x3 times stats? I tried to find it again but couldn't find it
 
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Noneless21 said:
there's no point plus not a lot of info about them was present at this stage right now
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There is some info about them like Hauria training (just Heliotrope and Freesia (Netemp)) in Liliana's arc, Tortus journal

Hellina got the demon sword Ignis (Rasul's sword,) plus a lots of Hajime's artifact
「Hellina. Don’t say anything. Just try holding this sword.」

「Y-yes?」

Hellina was bewildered, even so she reflexively took the demon sword that was held out toward her. The blood colored aura immediately wrapped around Helina. There was a chill for an instant before the aura dispersed.

The ominous aura vanished and the demon sword stayed tranquil, as though it had found its place to belong and settle down.

「H-how do you feel, Hellina? Do you feel anything strange?」

「Anything, strange……」

Helina stared at the demon sword for a while. Then she suddenly said 「Excuse me for a little」 and walked until the window. She then opened the window heartily and,

「Is it something like this? ……It’s time for strife──”Ignis”!」

She yelled the name of the demon sword even though she hadn’t been told about it. Then she fired a blood colored magic slash toward the sky. Her performance was so sterling that it was unthinkable that this was her first time using the sword. ch 450
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Hellina's fighting style, the golems posess the memories and powers of the people they imitate (this one is from the 2nd season SS ch3,there is alot of stuff in this short story, you should check it)
「This guy, its movement is different from the rest.」

It approached smoothly once more with extremely slippery footwork that looked like it was gliding on the ground. Its upper body looked like it wasn’t moving at all. Hajime blocked its consecutive slashes while observing it.

His artificial arm that was blocking the short sword got a ring of light put around it and restrained it. Then right after that his sight was enveloped in darkness.

He paid it no mind and kicked forward, but the golem drew back at the same time with his attack, so the kick didn’t connect.

It was a model example of Hit & Away tactic. It had no high firepower attack at all, but its minute detailed and troublesome disturbance type magic was terrifyingly accurate and came in quick succession.

「Combat ability that specialized in defense?」

「Nagumo Hajime! That golem, it most likely held the memory of Princess Liliana’s head maid! It has the same movement like my maid who also held the duty as my bodyguard!」

「Tsu, I see. So that’s the movement of VIP bodyguard specialist who need to pay attention to skirt.」

Hajime unconsciously let out an impressed voice. His romance was slightly tickled from learning that combat maid truly existed. Although when talking about troublesomeness, this one surpassed even the royal guards. They couldn’t keep it company any longer than this.

Hellina Golem backed off like a leaf that was blown by the wind, but Hajime closed the distance with a step in that was like instant movement. He easily held its head in a tight grasp of his artificial arm――
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I mean, there is also the option of you making the profiles (in sandbox, obviously), there is the alternative of share all their scenes with someone else that accept make them profiles, in my case I'm still busy with Death Mage (though this two last weeks I haven't be able to advance much with it do to college work).
 
I'm quite surprised with all the hax and cosmology we have that we aren't above planetary and still have finite speed. I would at least like some time stop or time stop resistance. Based on their abilities they should be able to make that possible.
 
Community_Gamer said:
I'm quite surprised with all the hax and cosmology we have that we aren't above planetary and still have finite speed. I would at least like some time stop or time stop resistance. Based on their abilities they should be able to make that possible.
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Gonna be honest, we probably have enough for a 5-B upgrade (there are various arguments to be made, and if Tsuki Ga go it with weaker evidence then we definitely can get it), and depending if I find the way to do some calc with the fact that Tortus seem to be bigger than Earth or some other thing similar to that we could get above 5-B, is just that at the end 5-C is a somewhat confortable tier and I don't feel too motivated to trying to do a tier upgrade with for the god tiers. Edit: The other option is to upgrade them using the blackholes feats (and maybe even sun creation feats) but that would result in even the Liberators and Hajime party first key being tier 5 while Ehit tier people be tier 4 (based on the fact that I sort of remember the Sanctuary having a sun inside).

The thing however indeed is a shame, the closest thing I can think that could give something would be Meiru time slow magic at the end of Zero since despite that it seemed like the other side could still somehow face her.

The problem I'm sure is more the mana consumption with the time stop part, however considering that now they have infinite energy I think that they will eventually show it (because it would be weird for Shirakome to waste the chance to make a reference to The World or Star Platinum when he already like to reference Jojo and stands).
 
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Expectro2000xxx said:
Gonna be honest, we probably have enough for a 5-B upgrade (there are various arguments to be made, and if Tsuki Ga go it with weaker evidence then we definitely can get it), and depending if I find the way to do some calc with the fact that Tortus seem to be bigger than Earth or some other thing similar to that we could get above 5-B, is just that at the end 5-C is a somewhat confortable tier and I don't feel too motivated to trying to do a tier upgrade with for the god tiers. Edit: The other option is to upgrade them using the blackholes feats (and maybe even sun creation feats) but that would result in even the Liberators and Hajime party first key being tier 5 while Ehit tier people be tier 4 (based on the fact that I sort of remember the Sanctuary having a sun inside).

The thing however indeed is a shame, the closest thing I can think that could give something would be Meiru time slow magic at the end of Zero since despite that it seemed like the other side could still somehow face her.

The problem I'm sure is more the mana consumption with the time stop part, however considering that now they have infinite energy I think that they will eventually show it (because it would be weird for Shirakome to waste the chance to make a reference to The World or Star Platinum when he already like to reference Jojo and stands).
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I remember the miniature garden having a sun maybe, and didn't Milady destroy Ehit pocket dimension ?

but keep them tier 5, yes with infinite energy, the author can go crazier than that (maybe next gen ?)
 
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Community_Gamer said:
Awakened people?
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you know the people who got awakened after Hajime restore the king tree ( omnibus, onmyouji, shadow monks ...)
That too was caused by the existences of the awakened.

No matter how complete Hajime’s control over the willpower of this planet was, there was nothing that could be done about the people who already awakened. It was a power that earthling possessed from the start. It was something that was produced inside the body of anyone living, so they would be able to use power no matter what unless they were massacred or something.

Also, it was thought that the awakened was people with high aptitude──like the descendant of people who married with other species who woke up to their power right away after the King Tree was revived, but in the end it was just a hypothesis. There was no guarantee that awakened people would stop appearing from here on. ch 425
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I just remember something, didn't Lutria effect the crystla key portal when hajime used it (he wasn't serious, but this is the afterstory )
「Or rather, the teleport destination, it got slightly shifted……this star tree is something, not bad.」

Hajime who grumbled that looked around and smiled wryly.

The place they teleported to seemed to be the edge of the star tree’s solitary island――above a cliff. They planned to teleport directly to the star tree’s location, but apparently the space was interfered with and they ended up on the island’s edge.

In the end, was it the star tree that was absurd with how it obstructed the Crystal Key’s teleportation ability, or was it the Crystal Key that was absurd with how it overcame the obstruction of a god of a world and teleported the user through even if it was only to the edge of the stronghold? ch 340
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also some apparition who could manipulate space like the dragon gods that Yue fought, couldn't bypass the heaven tree barrier
 
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