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Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

1) You can add this to their layer resistance
A beat passed. The words of power of sublimation magic resounded frigidly.

「――”Forbidden Release”」

Light exploded blindingly. Golden light spiraled up around Yue until it gouged through the sky.

The lightning cloud that a dragon god formed here was drilled through. The center was flung off to form a round hole.

The large moon that was floating at far away beyond showed its appearance.

Right after that, what sprang out was an overwhelming, out of bound, transcendental, and unreasonably immense pressure that trampled on common sense and reason.

In an unconscious act.

The apparitions who were below the divine class stopped moving with shudders. Just like a squirrel that was placed in front of a wild predator.

Even the dragon gods instinctually felt in danger. They roared fiercely to shake off the pressure bearing down on them before roaring even more fiercely but……

Kouki and the others all turned speechless. Even the uncaring Aularodde opened her eyes wide and looked up. Amidst all that, a beautiful voice that could capture anyone’s heart while also sending shivers into their spine from how bewitching it was resounded far and away.

「I command under the name of Yue――”Kneel”」

The words of power that directly interfered into soul――”Divine Word” mercilessly penetrated deep into the apparitions.

The reaction of the apparitions that were already trembling just from feeling the presence went without saying, but even the oni type beings who only came here to screw around also fell to their knees without exception. Those who were in the sky landed with a free fall and grinded their forehead on the ground.

They did that while feeling aghast of their own action after several moments passed.

Although, as expected those who were in the high apparition class or above were able to shake off the word’s effect. The dragon god class didn’t even stop attacking.

But, even those only lasted until there.

「……I said, “Kneel”.」

With the Heaven Tree as the center, a jet black circle instantly spread through the sky. The center was empty like donut to avoid affecting the Heaven Tree, but the width of the circle’s outer circumference easily reached one kilometer.

Right after the circle was formed, a physical and phenomenal pressure bore down on the dragon gods. ch 417
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some apparitions could resist limit break Yue's "divine word", the same apparitions that were being controlled by the DRAGON from earth (who was in weakened state) even Tio was effected

「Shia, will there be more reinforcement?」

「Unfortunately it’s only us. Tio-san can’t come out from the Miniature Garden because she is getting affected by the “Dragon”, so she is completely focused with assisting Hajime-san. Hajime-san right now is also in a state where he can’t move at all, so she is doubling as his bodyguard. The situation at the fairy world is also awful so Yue-san can’t leave from there. Mister hero and all the other classmates are also covering for the hole that we left behind to come here, so……」
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that thing was also effecting other country (shadow monks).

2) the purpose of the barrier (other world)
『But it’s the fact. That Abe no Seimei most likely created that Barrier of Heavenly Star to appease that “dragon”』

「Wha-, that barrier’s purpose was to seal the monsters that running rampant unchecked at that era……」

『Wasn’t it just a camouflage? After all he kept it a secret even from his own family.』

「How can that be……」

It was a shocking fact that overturned the knowledge that the onmyoujis had inherited through unbroken line of successions.

Naturally the elderly nobleman displayed his anger and questioned just what was the basis of such controversial statement. Taisei too pointed out 「Why does the “Shadow Monk” aware of something that even we didn’t know about?」 to pick hole in it.

Hajime informed the agitated onmyoujis of his conclusion. It was an outrageous story that even Kousuke and others were unable to accept immediately.

『Listen well, Abe no Seimei didn’t seal this thing. He appeased it. That existence already existence since far away in the past, from a time even before mankind was born. It had fallen asleep before human history began.』

「O-oi, Nagumo? Don’t tell me we’re talking about something like a god……」

『It’s not something like that. Open your ears wide, the aforementioned “dragon” refers to――this country, Japan.』ch 416
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the dragon is an Apparition
『I also don’t want to believe it but, that “dragon” was born from a conception of other world, long even before human history began. It was born as a might existence that surpassed even god. And then, it half killed the goddess of Heaven Tree at that time and left the fairy world. After that it seemed that “dragon” arrived on earth.』ch 416
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proof they can interact with other energies that exist like Ki.
「It seems to be the truth. However, even Seimei-sama and Kuzunoha-sama only “felt an enormously powerful ki of a dragon from under Fuji Mountain” vaguely. Apparently they were unable to go as far as seeing through the ki’s true identity.」

But, if the being actually woke up, it could possibly turn into an outrageous disaster. It seemed they made such judgment from the frequent occurrence of Fuji Mountain’s eruption, the abnormality of the “dragon’s vein”, and the result of various kind of divinations.

「The Barrier of Heavenly Star is like a dam that is set up in the center of the “Path of the Rising Sun” ――the “dragon’s vein” that stretched in a straight line from Izumo until Fuji. The sealed evil spirits were also for moderately exhausting the power of the dragon’s vein. With that the power of dragon’s vein flowing into the sacred mountain got adjusted. That is the true objective of the barrier that had been hidden until now.」

Hinata explained with a somewhat conflicted expression. She must feel conflicted to learn that such thing had been kept secret from her.

『The best way to protect something is to make it so that thing’s existence is not even known. Not only he realized the existence of the disaster, he even laid out a barrier that cover half of Japan, together with this thorough measure, it looks like Abe Seimei was a far greater man than even in legend.』ch 416
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You know all this, just wanted to show Hajime and the rest weren't nerfed in the after story, it is just that everyone else is OP.
 
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Expectro2000xxx said:
I don't think anyone had said that they are nerfed in the after stories.
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My bad
also onmyouji can resist "pride of the villager"
Oy, don’t put on air and spit out everything already. Kousuke said as he swung the five yen coin back and forth.

The young man seemed to gradually regain his former self, so he remade him into a villager again. As expected, perhaps he had some resistance due to being an onmyouji……it was dangerous to apply the brainwashing multiple times like this but there was no other way. ch 407
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soul shell protect from the Dragon
In addition of his natural resistance, artifact for countermeasure against the thought of the “Dragon” ――”Spirit Shell” had been provided to everyone here. It completely blocked the mind attack. And so, there was already nothing that could stand in the way of the lord.
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some dragon gods authorities
That lightning came with speed that left its thunderous sound behind. It felt like it might annihilated everything and anything of the lower world. It was undoubtedly a display of a godly might.

Such attack that really ought to be called as “kaminari” fell on the Heaven Tree. A barrier blocked the attack. (TN: Kaminari means lightning, but if the word is broken down further, it can also mean god’s roar) ch 417
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also
“Kaminari”, “dragon’s roars”, the authorities of destruction and death rushed toward the barrier from all directions.

A creaking sound rang out. The radiance of the heaven’s tree was flickering as though the tree was screaming. ch 417
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Kousuke darkness magic feat (I know he has it)
Surely they could never even imagine in their dreams that after Kousuke made his clone, put up full powered invisibility and dashed around the great wall, he intentionally used darkness element magic to block the light to make a show of the clones’ appearance! ch 417
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difference between SHiKi and SHikigami
For them onmyouji, there were two kinds of “shiki”. First was “shiki”. The caster put their image along with their jutsu into a receptacle and made it manifest into a familiar. The familiar would be like a drone without any will.

The other was “shikigami”. This referred to apparition that was bound by the caster’s jutsu. Naturally it had its own will so there was a risk the shikigami would rebel if the binding slackened. Conversely if the caster could build a relationship of trust with the shikigami, they would be able to obtain even greater strength.

There was no need to mention, the shikigami was the more powerful shiki. Some of them even had special power through their legend, and there was also no need for the caster to control every single action of it. ch 417
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sorry to bother but doesn't human/monster hybrid physiology give Hajime the ability to gain skills and resistance plus his stats increase if he eat a
monster equal or stronger than him (monsters created using metamorphosis magic)
Does this add anything to his profile?
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
sorry to bother but doesn't human/monster hybrid physiology give Hajime the ability to gain skills and resistance plus his stats increase if he eat a
monster equal or stronger than him (monsters created using metamorphosis magic)
Does this add anything to his profile?
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yes, but as far as i can tell, the last time he want to eat to gain power is when he encounter the leviathan, which he fail to do so

but it'll be absorption ig
 
Noneless21 said:
yes, but as far as i can tell, the last time he want to eat to gain power is when he encounter the leviathan, which he fail to do so

but it'll be absorption ig
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Don't forget he gain resistance and stats increase (this could helped alot if he ate the leviathan, but he survived and got traumatized)
 
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New Short story chapters "Remnant of Myth and Maiden of the Lake", just the first chapter contain 12000 word.

Arifureta 2nd Season Blu-ray SS​

new sentient artifact "lady of the lake" and new uses for soul magic

 
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This is from the new short story: YUE's golden experience (astral projection and possession)
Yue turned her gaze toward Kaori. Kaori tilted her head while going 「Hm?」 seeing that. Yue grinned.

Kaori’s cheeks convulsed. It was a bad smile! She immediately tried to jump away but she was a bit late.

「――”Purification”!!」

「Sto- ――AAAAAAAAA-!?」

Midway Kaori’s scream changed tone as though it echoed directly inside their brain.

Of course it was like that. Kaori’s head slammed on the table and she laid there unmoving, while at the other side, there was the transparent figure of Kaori floating in the air like balloon. Furthermore she didn’t have the appearance of Noint, but her actual appearance.

『Just what are you doing Yue! My soul came off because of you!』

It seemed she came off. Put me baaack! Put me baaack! Kaori insisted while her hand kept swinging on Yue’s head, but they all simply passed through. It was truly pitiful. What a very lighthearted out-of-body experience.

「……And then, this.」

Yue-sama was grinning with great enjoyment. Her image as a cool beauty was rapidly crumbling. Meanwhile, Yue leaned deeply on her chair and her body became enveloped with golden light. It was the soul separation state that Liliana witnessed. A half-transparent Yue manifested. Kaori went 『If we’re both ghosts then-!』 and rushed forward to hit her with a demonic look, but Yue smoothly evaded. Unbelievably, her soul went into Kaori’s body.

『AH, Yue!? Don’t tell me!』

「……I am Kaori♪ A pervert who always have lewd delusion of Hajime-kun all the time!」
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Noneless21 said:
That just possession
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Thanks, I'm pretty sure the soul leaving the body voluntarily count as astral projection like Laus Barn, anyway you notice how her line symbols『』change when she became a soul (floating) and mentioning hearing her directly inside their brain (Midway Kaori’s scream changed tone as though it echoed directly inside their brain) was that telepathy ?
 
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In arifureta zero we learn that status plate were created using Information magic , so is lv ??? mean his physiology give him something like unlimited growth potential ?
 
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Community_Gamer said:
Wasn't that always the case since he got Transcendence?
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No, transcendence let someone do something he couldn't do before (unlock latent potential, no stats increase) few people could achieve it, while having lv??? mean he doesn't have actual limit (lv100 is the limit, even liberators didn't reach it).

I think that the case for the artist (Hope Elegy) who wanted to draw something beautiful so much that caused him to create a book that absorb people and make them follow the story (immersion and plot manipulation) was that caused by will and transcendence?
 
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Dream manipulation for Soul Magic (didn't someone mention it?)
「……Nn. After all past replay is for watching phenomenon that occurred in reality.」

「We will be able to watch our figures sleeping but, we won’t be able to show the dream that we were seeing at that time. It’s a bit impossible I guess to visualize the past thought of someone.」

「That’s how it is. With soul magic it’s possible to enter inside a dream or projecting a dream in reality, but that’s only when the target art right before us. There art no way to meddle with thought inside one’s mind in a past that doth not exist anymore.」ch 436
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Does this count as resistance to mind reading? (I know Tio has it (Schnee labyrinth) but Hajime can do it too)
After that using the echo of her roar, Shia’s superhuman hearing would narrow down the list even further. Even if that was impossible, she would use her “Future Hypothesis” to look at the future where that place was destroyed.

「Impossible. There wasn’t that kind of thought……there also shouldn’t be any telepathy communication between all of you about that.」

「That was because I intentionally focused on only detecting magic power. Tio too was intentionally keeping out that thought from her mind and only focused on destroying the city.」

Even them if it was Tio then she would be able to analyze at least that much. Furthermore such analysis would be done naturally in her subconscious level. It was something that she was doing naturally as a matter of course in battle.

After all, Hajime himself was doing the same thing. Then there was no way Tio couldn’t do something like that after experiencing living for 500 years.
"Eternal Artifact"
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EL_xWatcher1234x said:
In arifureta zero we learn that status plate were created using Information magic , so is lv ??? mean his phesiology give him something like unlimited growth potential ?
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EL_xWatcher1234x said:
No, transcendence let someone do something he couldn't do before (unlock latent potential, no stats increase) few people could achieve it, while having lv??? mean he doesn't have actual limit (lv100 is the limit, even liberators didn't reach it).

I think that the case for the artist (Hope Elegy) who wanted to draw something beautiful so much that caused him to create a book that absorb people and make them follow the story (immersion and plot manipulation) was that caused by will and transcendence?
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No, Transcendence is the thing that essentially give infinite growth/potential. The ??? was stated to be because the mutations from eating monsters made him transform in another thing different to human, and as result is unknow what is supposed to be his growth limit (same reason as to why is unknow his lifespan or if he even have one to begin with).
 
Hajime can actually see space distortion, this happened before they went to the empire (2nd season blu-ray SS)
The Cross Bit at the top was slashed into two. Naturally the barrier also vanished. If Hajime was unable to detect the flow of magic power and distortion in space with his magic eye, Tio and Ryuutarou would have gotten bisected.

The two became pale from learning that, but nobody had any leeway to call out to the two of them.
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Can anyone tell me at what chapter the skill "Limit Break" is supposed to x3 times stats? I tried to find it again but couldn't find it
 
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there's no point plus not a lot of info about them was present at this stage right now
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There is some info about them like Hauria training (just Heliotrope and Freesia (Netemp)) in Liliana's arc, Tortus journal

Hellina got the demon sword Ignis (Rasul's sword,) plus a lots of Hajime's artifact
「Hellina. Don’t say anything. Just try holding this sword.」

「Y-yes?」

Hellina was bewildered, even so she reflexively took the demon sword that was held out toward her. The blood colored aura immediately wrapped around Helina. There was a chill for an instant before the aura dispersed.

The ominous aura vanished and the demon sword stayed tranquil, as though it had found its place to belong and settle down.

「H-how do you feel, Hellina? Do you feel anything strange?」

「Anything, strange……」

Helina stared at the demon sword for a while. Then she suddenly said 「Excuse me for a little」 and walked until the window. She then opened the window heartily and,

「Is it something like this? ……It’s time for strife──”Ignis”!」

She yelled the name of the demon sword even though she hadn’t been told about it. Then she fired a blood colored magic slash toward the sky. Her performance was so sterling that it was unthinkable that this was her first time using the sword. ch 450
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Hellina's fighting style, the golems posess the memories and powers of the people they imitate (this one is from the 2nd season SS ch3,there is alot of stuff in this short story, you should check it)
「This guy, its movement is different from the rest.」

It approached smoothly once more with extremely slippery footwork that looked like it was gliding on the ground. Its upper body looked like it wasn’t moving at all. Hajime blocked its consecutive slashes while observing it.

His artificial arm that was blocking the short sword got a ring of light put around it and restrained it. Then right after that his sight was enveloped in darkness.

He paid it no mind and kicked forward, but the golem drew back at the same time with his attack, so the kick didn’t connect.

It was a model example of Hit & Away tactic. It had no high firepower attack at all, but its minute detailed and troublesome disturbance type magic was terrifyingly accurate and came in quick succession.

「Combat ability that specialized in defense?」

「Nagumo Hajime! That golem, it most likely held the memory of Princess Liliana’s head maid! It has the same movement like my maid who also held the duty as my bodyguard!」

「Tsu, I see. So that’s the movement of VIP bodyguard specialist who need to pay attention to skirt.」

Hajime unconsciously let out an impressed voice. His romance was slightly tickled from learning that combat maid truly existed. Although when talking about troublesomeness, this one surpassed even the royal guards. They couldn’t keep it company any longer than this.

Hellina Golem backed off like a leaf that was blown by the wind, but Hajime closed the distance with a step in that was like instant movement. He easily held its head in a tight grasp of his artificial arm――
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I mean, there is also the option of you making the profiles (in sandbox, obviously), there is the alternative of share all their scenes with someone else that accept make them profiles, in my case I'm still busy with Death Mage (though this two last weeks I haven't be able to advance much with it do to college work).
 
I'm quite surprised with all the hax and cosmology we have that we aren't above planetary and still have finite speed. I would at least like some time stop or time stop resistance. Based on their abilities they should be able to make that possible.
 
Community_Gamer said:
I'm quite surprised with all the hax and cosmology we have that we aren't above planetary and still have finite speed. I would at least like some time stop or time stop resistance. Based on their abilities they should be able to make that possible.
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Gonna be honest, we probably have enough for a 5-B upgrade (there are various arguments to be made, and if Tsuki Ga go it with weaker evidence then we definitely can get it), and depending if I find the way to do some calc with the fact that Tortus seem to be bigger than Earth or some other thing similar to that we could get above 5-B, is just that at the end 5-C is a somewhat confortable tier and I don't feel too motivated to trying to do a tier upgrade with for the god tiers. Edit: The other option is to upgrade them using the blackholes feats (and maybe even sun creation feats) but that would result in even the Liberators and Hajime party first key being tier 5 while Ehit tier people be tier 4 (based on the fact that I sort of remember the Sanctuary having a sun inside).

The thing however indeed is a shame, the closest thing I can think that could give something would be Meiru time slow magic at the end of Zero since despite that it seemed like the other side could still somehow face her.

The problem I'm sure is more the mana consumption with the time stop part, however considering that now they have infinite energy I think that they will eventually show it (because it would be weird for Shirakome to waste the chance to make a reference to The World or Star Platinum when he already like to reference Jojo and stands).
 
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Expectro2000xxx said:
Gonna be honest, we probably have enough for a 5-B upgrade (there are various arguments to be made, and if Tsuki Ga go it with weaker evidence then we definitely can get it), and depending if I find the way to do some calc with the fact that Tortus seem to be bigger than Earth or some other thing similar to that we could get above 5-B, is just that at the end 5-C is a somewhat confortable tier and I don't feel too motivated to trying to do a tier upgrade with for the god tiers. Edit: The other option is to upgrade them using the blackholes feats (and maybe even sun creation feats) but that would result in even the Liberators and Hajime party first key being tier 5 while Ehit tier people be tier 4 (based on the fact that I sort of remember the Sanctuary having a sun inside).

The thing however indeed is a shame, the closest thing I can think that could give something would be Meiru time slow magic at the end of Zero since despite that it seemed like the other side could still somehow face her.

The problem I'm sure is more the mana consumption with the time stop part, however considering that now they have infinite energy I think that they will eventually show it (because it would be weird for Shirakome to waste the chance to make a reference to The World or Star Platinum when he already like to reference Jojo and stands).
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I remember the miniature garden having a sun maybe, and didn't Milady destroy Ehit pocket dimension ?

but keep them tier 5, yes with infinite energy, the author can go crazier than that (maybe next gen ?)
 
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