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Weird God vs Angel of Kindness (Yomoji vs Kaori)
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I don't know much about OAGP but how does ETHER work and how character resist ETHER ?
what can they do to effect the other ?
what can they do to effect the other ?
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Why would be that?
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They resist such things though.
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Since when?
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Since months ago?
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I've never heard of Arifureta having that many layers on resistances.
Isn't the max like 5?
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No? I'm more curious of where you heard 5.
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You got scans for that sir? Or something somewhere on the profiles that mention how many layers there are?
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How exactly does number scaling compare to layers scaling though?
Like what does that number even mean in layers?
Edit: The fact that we can use numbers and layers scaling to scale hax but have no coherent system to actually compare them is REALLY stupid, and is something I really warned against when those standards started changing.
Like what does that number even mean in layers?
Edit: The fact that we can use numbers and layers scaling to scale hax but have no coherent system to actually compare them is REALLY stupid, and is something I really warned against when those standards started changing.
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It mean that their X number of layers are the X number of people affected. So in this case the layers of resistance of the Arifureta side is above the millions.
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That's definitely not how that works.
1 person being 1 layer actually makes 0 sense.
Even 10 to 100 people being 1 layer is pretty unfounded.
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It is though, that was established in the very thread the revising hax potency, that as long the verse make clear that number = power and bigger number = higher potency then the number of people affected become the number of layers.
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That's stupid, I'm making a thread on this.
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Posted here. Bob is saying numbers only really matter if all else is equal. Like if you already have 5 layers and the other has 5 layers who can affect more is deemed more potent.
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In Arifureta the numbers are compared to layers of resistance, this was accepted in a crt before.
If you have any problem with Arifureta using numbers for hax potency then just use the 41 layers listed in the blog instead.
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Which blog?
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The one I linked above where it was mentioned that it was decided in a crt to use instead numbers for hax potency since that is a equally valid option in the wiki?
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I was there, I agreed to it, but I didn't agree every single number was = to 1 layer, that's not how it was described on the thread. That's actually crazy.
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That's basic logic though, if the argument is that number = potency, and higher numbers = higher potency and lower numbers = lower potency, then naturally speaking that mean that each number count.
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No, because how are we even judging these things like minds or souls which have resistance? There are stronger minds and stronger souls, there are layers on top of layers. People with and people without resistance.
There's no way you can say haxing two people without resistance is the same as haxing someone with baseline resistance, since both people necessarily have weaker minds so as to be controlled with no resistance put forth. How weak? No telling.
It's why I proposed a point system for hax oh so long ago that only a few people really agree with.
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These numbers included affecting people with resistances though.
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I said that to make a larger point on how mind hax is treated.
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But anyways, reading previous threads of On a Godless Planet I don't see DT mentioning that they have passive powernull, the only time I saw that was from you in the Tomoe thread and DT explicitly refuted you and said it isn't powernull but resistance, along with say that the reason of why it affected Tomoe (and others characters in other threads) was because Ether is an more abstract power that is above the laws of nature (something that ancient magic also is) and manipulate information of reality that is above laws (something that evolution magic do) but clarified that could be affected or resisted by something more abstract like concepts (something that ancient magic have). Also, the weakening effect seem to only apply to haxs, so nothing would stop them of blitzing him with their 61473.6xMFTL+ speed.
For what I saw Yomoji leading move is turning people in salt, something that Kaori counter with her automatic restoration magic (ancient magic that manipulate the concept of time) that make her return to her state one second before (effectively nullifying any attempt of affect her).
For what I saw Yomoji leading move is turning people in salt, something that Kaori counter with her automatic restoration magic (ancient magic that manipulate the concept of time) that make her return to her state one second before (effectively nullifying any attempt of affect her).
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From the description DT gave and the statement on the power, it certainly is Pnull. Just not listed as that.
The description being given is that the effects of abilities get weakened via Ether Manipulation Information stuff.
Regardless of any of this, what I'm arguing against is the numbers and value of potency being used here.
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Honestly, is that spirit magic or whatever even of a nature where higher numbers = higher potency?
Anyway, definitely can't equate numbers affected to layers by that logic. Otherwise, Kumo Desu Ga would have 9999 layers, due to having a resistance stat where each point increase technically makes it stronger.
What PNull is concerned: I list it as resistances. Honestly, not sure where to draw the line between resistances and passive contact-based PNull. Comes down to the same thing as far as I am concerned.
Her opponent doesn't appear to resist Ether Manipulation in any case, so Yomoji just erases her.
Anyway, definitely can't equate numbers affected to layers by that logic. Otherwise, Kumo Desu Ga would have 9999 layers, due to having a resistance stat where each point increase technically makes it stronger.
What PNull is concerned: I list it as resistances. Honestly, not sure where to draw the line between resistances and passive contact-based PNull. Comes down to the same thing as far as I am concerned.
Her opponent doesn't appear to resist Ether Manipulation in any case, so Yomoji just erases her.
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Yes, it have show that with higher numbers higher potency, but again, if one don't want to use them just use the other scaling listed with the 41 layers.
I mean, I wouldn't be against that because at the end it's actually true. Isn't like at the end the only thing that mattered in potency was the layers, the mechanics and complexity/abstractness are more important at the end.
If it only affect things that have directly touched them then that certainly is more resistance than power nullification, if it affected the area around them then it would fall more under the power nullification.
She resist the hax though? And have a way to counter the things that could affect her in the way of a passive time manip that restore her to her previous state. Her resistances and haxs also come from the direct manipulation of concepts, which as far I'm aware from other threads is something that Yomoji don't resist.
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Ngl the 41 layers scaling is actually terrible. It works on the principle that having stronger magic constitutes bypassing a layer of resistance. Which is absolutely ridiculous.
I'll post what me and another user said in response to the 41 layer stuff.
Like how in Instant Death a level 2 Death spell bypasses level 1 resistance and so on, so 7 levels is 6 layers deep.
Edit: Like as a general rule, it's ok to say someone has better or superior hax to another character in-verse, the problem is with trying to say this superiority constitutes or is comparable to bypassing a layer of resistance. For that you would need sufficient proof beyond it merely being stated to be superior.
Like how in Instant Death a level 2 Death spell bypasses level 1 resistance and so on, so 7 levels is 6 layers deep.
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She does not appear to have info manip type 2 resitance, unless I am stupid and just overlooked it.
I also have other reasons why she does not resist (relating to resistance negation) but I will bring those up when it turns out necesaary.
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Their argument is probably that the ancient magic concept stuff is just as abstract as type 2 information stuff. Or maybe that she should have resistance to it but it isn't listed.
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I can say right away that doesn't work. It's like not everyone with concept resistance is resisting physical attacks. Unless the verse has a mechanic that implies that is the case, of course. Like in Godless Planet everything less than Ether is just Ether, so that kind of reasoning kinda works.
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Other than that… She has 41 layers GG. Lol
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Sorry, was busy with college so didn't connect until now.
It was more so because her defenses and powers itself are also based in info manip type 2 (evolution magic power is the manipulation of all the abstract info, and evolution magic is an integrate part of their powers in general), though now that is pointed is also true that they don't have listed resistance to it despite technically have it so I will try to solve that (hopefully) at the end of this week with a crt to add it, in said crt I will also try to solve the layers thing problem that Yung have (mainly by using the Divine Edict scaling), so until then the match will continue paused.
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