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Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

I missed this part
“Transmute!”

“Nether Burst"

Golden mana ran across the cracks in the ceiling. At the same time, a pitch black nova descended upon the ancient dragon, emitting sky blue sparks from its surface.

There was no loud bang,and vibrations from the impact could be felt. Miledi’s deadliest attack was also her most silent.

At the same time, the ceiling repaired itself in the blink of an eye. When Oscar looked down though, he found the ground had vanished.

“......” The two of them gazed silently at each other.

Oscar hesitantly opened his mouth.

“I know I told you to send it to hell, but I never said anything about makinga hell...”

“Ugh...”

“What the hell are we supposed to do now? This is way worse than a floor collapsing, you know that, right? There’s no way I can fix that even with my Transmutation.”

“Y-You don’t have to yell at me! Even I know I overdid it a little! Besides, this is all yourfault, O-kun!”

“M-My fault? You’re the one who made a giant abyss! Quit trying to pushresponsibility for that on me!”

“No, it’s totaaaaaally your fault! What the heck was in that jewel!? I thought it was some kind of artifact that stored mana, so I drew it all out, but there was way more than I thought there’d be! Like, tons more! Not eventhe rarest of artifacts even come close to that!” Zero Vol 1 p181
Miledi has created the hole in which Hajime fell.

Just mentioned this to prove that energy=Gavitational force or LS for Gravity Magic users.
 
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Did Naiz meant this literally ?
He’d let his anger fuel him, and cast the most powerful spell he was capable of. He’d utterly destroyed a section of space. In other words, he quite literally wiped Gruen off the map, along with the villagers and Bolemos. Zero Vol 1 p276
He never used this spell again. It could mean that it require a lot of energy that was provided to him from his emotion.

Is it like Tio ability to convert pain(emotion) into mana ?
 
EE spells
 
Could these prove the "infinite possibilities" ?
A Case of What If
There exist an infinite amount of possibilities and timelines in this world. If we were to imagine some of those what if scenarios in Arifureta, they might go something like,

Case 1:
What if, when Kouki was fighting Emperor Gahard, he did things a little differently?

"Prepare yourself, Hero. If you hold back again...”
Goosebumps coated Kouki’s arms. The bodyguard’s tone of voice clearly conveyed what awaited him if he held back.
“AAALaLaLaLaie!”
“What the hell!?”
Were Hoelscher’s emperor a bit more like a certain other ruler, then surely all the demons would surrender and begin calling him “bro.”

Case 2: What if, when Kouki was fighting Emperor Gahard, he did things a little differently? v2

“What on earth are you doing, Gahard?”
King Eliheid yelled out as he leaped in between the two fighters and blocked Gahard’s blow. Gahard was thrown off balance by the fact that Eliheid had discovered his identity, but he nevertheless smiled fearlessly and prepared to charge again. Sighing, Eliheid realized Gahard had no intention of backing down.
“All thing of this of this world, turn to ashes, Ryujin Jakka"
"Wait--stop--no"
If king Eliheid was actually the captain of the 13 Court Guard Companies, then all the demons would most likely be crying in fear.

Case 3: What if the second fight with the Behemoth went a little differently?

The Behemoth, enraged that a pair of mere humans had stopped its assault, stamped impatiently on the ground. Seeing this, the other students took advantage of its momentary distraction.
“Peerless swordsmanship that rends even the heavens—Hiten Mitsurugi style, Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki!”
“What?”
If Shizuku Yaegashi was a master of the Hiten Mitsurugi style, she would probably be the hero, not Kouki.

Case 4: What if Kouki’s sacred sword was a little different?

“Let’s go! Sacred sword, lend me your power!”
“Moron, this is why I can’t handle country hicks. I told you not to bother me during my afternoon tea.”
“......”
If Kouki’s sword was as annoying as a certain other world’s Excalibur, then Kouki probably wouldn’t be so nice.

Case 5: What if things were a little different when Hajime first found the Divinity Stone?

“This... is...”
The source of the liquid was a basketball-sized crystal that emitted a pale red light... A few days later after conquering his lonelinesse starvation, and pain, Hajime took down his first enemy, the Twin-tailed Wolf.
“What a niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice sound that was. Truly, wonderful! Is it not wonderful, o philosopher’s stone?”Had the stone Hajime discovered really been the philosopher’s stone, he might have ended up like Kimblee.

Case 6: What if the scorpion fight had gone a little differently?

“...Thanks for the meal.
”Suddenly, Yue got to her feet and brandished a hand at the scorpion thing. As she did so, a tremendous amount of mana, golden in color, poured out of her tiny body, chasing away the darkness. Then, clad in a wondrous golden light, with her golden hair fluttering around her, she muttered a single phrase.“Forbidden Barrage ‘Catadioptric.’”
If Yue was actually the little sister to the master of the scarlet devil mansion, then she’d surely be this story’s last boss.

There a countless amount of possible timelines for every world...so why not try and think of a few yourself ?
and
「Lily-san, let’s detach your thinking from work for a bit. Rather, it feels like I can see the future of Lily-san dying from getting overworked. Also, this won’t have the precision of “hypothesized future” or “oracle sight”. It’ll be something hazy somehow like, ‘this kind of future might be possible?’.」

It seemed the accuracy would be hit or miss at best. But, being able to see a scene that showed a possibility of the future was something unique of Shia.

Like that Shia said 「Then here I go」 and heightened her focus while inhaling a deep breath ‘suuu~~’……

「UOOOOOOOOOOOOOHDESUUUUUUUUU!!!」

「Somehow it’s different from my imagination!!」

A divination so unexpected it even made Hajime’s eyes widened started.

A fierce scream and bluish white magic power surged from Shia. Her form that was slightly leaning forward with her arms rounded and strained was just like the “Most Muscular” posing of body builder!

On top of that, “something behind” like Yue’s “lightning dragon” and Kaori’s “Hannya” was faintly……

It was like something from a different time axis, like a muscular rabbit that displayed her true nature in common daily life Arifureta Nichijou……

Bursting! Bursting! It’s formed to the supreme level! The muscles are rejoicing!

That muscle motion that was just very lively, the intensity that was like a supreme ruler, it made everyone there to open their eyes wide like saucer!

「NUOOOOOOOOOOH!! ――I can see-, I can see it! The future-!! ……………………ah, desuu!」Ch 359
I asked here and the correct translation was "from a different space-time".

This prove that Arifureta Nichijou(I love Isekai) is not just canon but also that those events are from other timelines.

Some event are mention as if they happen in the main story like Tio and Yue sweater, the painting that was the empire throne room and others.

Another evidence is Iron Boy.
—The Handsome Rabbit and The Iron Boy

This one’s just one of those alternate timeline stories. As I’m sure you’ve all guessed, it’s based on Ironman. Honestly, if you think about the title of Arifureta, this would probably be a more fitting way for Hajime to get stronger than eating a bunch of monsters. (Whoops.) The rabbit’s kind of in a similar place too. I think you’ll see what I mean once the next mainline volume comes out.

What I'm saying is that every SS or spinoff(I love Isekai, Magicschool, Disney and Folktales) could be from other existing timelines.
 
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This feat shows that the apostles are capable of twisting people identity by destroying a part of their soul. And that part of "he possessed something far stronger" could be refering to his will.

Was that the same thing she used on Aiko ?
 
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Infinite multiverse
 
Connection between Elemental Magic and Ancient Magic ?

"Nature"
"Anyway, what I meant about the general idea was that. Every ancient magic lets you manipulate some fundamental fact of nature, but until now, we didn’t realize which ones they all were. And in order to use concept magic, you have to understand the fundamental aspects of every ancient magic.” Vol 10 p215
Affinity
Kaori had possessed the highest affinity for restoration magic, followed by Tio, and then Yue. Yue was so used to her own self-regeneration skill that she rarely used healing magic. For that reason, her affinity for it was much lower. She was able to heal herself without thinking, so actually having to actively cast recovery spells was hard for her.

On the other hand, Kaori’s job was Priest. Restoration and recovery magic were strongly linked, so her affinity for it had been the highest. She could use it more efficiently, and at greater range than either Yue or Tio. Though she unfortunately still needed magic circles and an incantation to cast, so Yue’s version was still more useful in combat. Vol 5 p283
Healing is derived from Light magic.

Elemental magic<Ancient magic
“Umm, so Shizuku-chan. You know how all the magic we use is a degraded version of the magic they had in the age of the gods, right?”

“Yes. I studied up a little on this world. Ancient magic is the stuff that comes up in all the old histories, right? They were able to control the core elements that govern the laws of this world, while the elements we have are allderivatives... Wait. Is that how Nagumo-kun did it? He’s capable of using ancient magic that... can control people’s souls? And that’s how he kept your soul intact even though you’d died? And then after that he transferred it to a new body?” Vol 6 219
They've referred to A.M. as elements. But that could be nothing.

Dark magic<Soul Magic
Manipulating the souls to a high degree is equivalant to manipulating laws.
“Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!”

Though his mana should have been depleted, it flared up again as Kouki screamed, sending a spiral of pure-white energy rising toward the heavens. However—

“Kouki, stop! If you keep going, you’ll kill yourself!” Shizuku screamed.“Wait, he’ll do what?! Shizuku, what’s going on?! I thought you cut off his mana?!”

“I did! I sliced clean through his mana repository! He’s not absorbing the nearby ether to produce more mana!”

“Then how’s he getting more?!”

By converting something else! I don’t know if he’s using up his life force or his soul or what, but he’s transforming it all into mana! It’s probably something he can do because he can use Limit Break! Either way, this isn’t good!”

“Goddammit, Kouki, come back to your senses already!”

Indeed, Kouki was creating this mana by burning away his own life. Abilities that overturned the natural laws of the universe always came with a steep cost...and they were practically never worth the price. Vol 12 p139
“Well, you see, my Spirit Binding spell doesn’t just work on dead people. I can useit to control the thoughts and feelings of the living as well! It lets me enslave any soul I want.”

Shizuku and Ryutarou glared at Eri, who’d walked over to Kouki and lovingly ran a finger down the nape of his neck.

“The best part is, they don’t even realize they’re being controlled. By planting suggestions in their mind, I get them to unconsciously ignore the things I want them to ignore! Right now, the only person Kouki-kun believes is me! I’m his one and only heroine!”

“So that’s why you kept clinging to him the whole time...”

Shizuku muttered through clenched teeth.How did I fail to notice she was using Spirit Binding right in front of me?

The most terrifying part was that Eri had managed to create something akin to spirit magic all on her own, and then refined the spell to the point where the incantation didn’t even sound like an incantation. It showed the depth of her obsession with Kouki. Vol 11 p72
“Eri, don’t interfere with my senses again, or I’ll have you tried for treason.”

Not that he trusted a turncoat to begin with. Necromancer was a job that required a high level of proficiency in dark magic. In fact, necromancy was the most powerful dark magic spell. And since Eri could use that with ease, she of course had no trouble using other dark magic spells. She was the genius who’d created her own necromancy spell, Spirit Binding, so it was hardly surprising. The spell that allowed her to bind the souls of the deceased to her corpses and grant them a modicum of will was almost as powerful as ancient magic all on its own. Even Freid, general of the demon army and a master of ancient magic himself, hadn’t been able to sense her arrival, meaning he’d been completely taken in by the dark magic Eri had used to interfere with his senses. However, Eri waved off his threat and replied to him calmly. Vol 8 p333

Apostle brainwashing(Dark magic) here shows that the apostles are capable of twisting people identity by destroying a part of their soul. And that part of "he possessed something far stronger" could be refering to his will.
It was the same hax she used on Aiko.

Kousuke stealth(Dark magic) being compared to soul clones
Presence Manipulation: The user can manipulate the presence of their self by making their presence disappear.
  • Presence Isolation: Allows user to completely erase their presence.
  • Phantom Step: A skill which leaves behind a presence with an afterimage piled up on them self to blur their own figure.
  • Dream Illusion III: A skill that produces up to three illusory clones of the user.
  • Clarity Phantom: A skill that gives substance to the clone of the user.
  • Minimum Mind: While the user is invisible this skill makes the user’s breathing, heartbeat, presence, and even the fluctuation of the mind, and so on, to be in a flat state.
  • Shadow Dance: A skill that allows the user to run on walls. It can’t let the user stand still on a wall, but as long as the user has momentum, they can continue to run on walls.
  • Water Dance: A skill that let the user walk over the water.
  • Leave Dance: A skill that let the user use things like leaves that are falling in the air as instant footholds for jumping.
  • Wood Splinter Dance: A skill which lets the user leap using dust
That was their actual strategy so Aiko could take a long vacation while also still teaching.

The impetus for the idea was of course a certain Abyssgate-san. His clone bodies were produced by his skill but, originally that skill could be categorized as soul magic.

By copying the information of one’s own soul and imprinting it into a body of magic power, it became possible to have another body that could move autonomically and share information. It was a magic with the highest level of difficulty.

「I thought that it would be possible somehow if it’s just creating one clone but……after all I can insert pseudo soul into plant to make it fight for me.」

「I guess there is a world of difference in difficulty level between simple combat action and a perfect copy of the user. In addition there was also the matter of time limit.」

「Yeah. To think that it’s that difficult to grant the clone the same level of autonomy like the original self……furthermore maintaining the magic also become more difficult the more advanced it is. Just what in the world is Endou-kun who is able to maintain several such clones all the time?」

「I’m also learning it once more after seeing Aiko’s hard work. Just how terrific the Abyss Lord is.」

Both could only put on bitter smiles on their faces.

In a glance, Kousuke looked like he was using clone bodies like it was nothing, but in actuality from the perspective of magic user, it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to call his skill in creating clones as godly.

Autonomy that wasn’t at all different from the main body, and equal combat ability. And right now he had even conquered the problem of durability.

On top of that was the aspect of “producing clones from clones in geometric progression”. Even Yue was made to say “It’s impossible for me. How is that possible?” to that. Ch 483
His Clarity Phantom resemble this
Laus granted autonomy and ability to interfere with physic to the past illusion, Oscar turned this graveyard itself into an artifact that could produce a different space like a type of treasure warehouse while also maintaining his comrades’ magic── Ch 456
Even his stealth sound like a passive dark magic spell that interfere with people perception and memory.


Fried dragon light breath and Time magic
Confirming that everyone had learned the same information regarding metamorphosis magic, Tio added, “It seems you can choose what special magic monsters you create with metamorphosis magic have as well. But that magic needs to be at least somewhat in line with the natural disposition of the creature the monster is originally based on.” Vol 10 p213
I’m not the only one who has received Lord Ehit’s blessing. Uranos has evolved beyond mortal limits as well. He’s become a god in his own right. Not only is his breath much stronger, but it also inhibits healing. Surely you’ve noticed your restoration magic isn’t working as well as it should?”

“Mmm, yes, I have.”

Tio had indeed tried to use restoration magic earlier, but she’d quickly noticed it was considerably less effective than it should have been. Had Kaori been here, she probably would have been able to overcome Uranos’s healing debuff with ease, but Tio didn’t have nearly as much aptitude for restoration magic as she did.

Freid grinned wickedly and continued, “Well, it doesn’t just stop your healing either. Your wounds will grow worse with time. They already hurt likea bitch, don’t they? But before long, your entire body will be wracked with so much pain that you’ll die.” Vol 12 p199
His breath attack is a lighgt attack not fire. He was able to nullify time magic because of the strengthening(Metamorphosis or Info magic ?) he got.

There is nothing about a new skill or anything, which suggest that Metamorphosis magic could strengthen normal abilities to the point they could rival A.M.

And to counter it Hajime used the medicine from Hydra poison to make an anitode instead of nullifying the magic behind it.

Water, Mist and Light
For example, a mirror. A mirror that reflected another world, especially when there was an opposite mirror, the gap of worlds could be shaken just with that.

For example, a thick mist. A heavy mist that shut the field of vision where it was impossible to look even an inch ahead, it could also shake the spot of “this world” itself.

And then, water.

The world was connected by water. Water was a natural “gate” that crossed every world.
Mist(Wind) disrupting Space magic
“It’s strange... I can sense mana from everything around us, both the fog and the water.”

“Hajime-san, I think we’ll be okay! I’m not seeing any future where we die, at least!”

Hajime shot Yue a glance. Though he said nothing, it was a trivial task for her to read his thoughts, and she quickly created a teleportation portal to let everyone escape. But before she could send anyone through—

“Daddy! He’s calling for us! He wants us to save him!”

“Wh-What?”

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough time to process that or ask Myu what she meant. Owooooooooooooooooooooo!The creature let out a howl. It wasn’t a threatening sound, though. In fact, it almost sounded melodic. A second later, Hajime and the others were surrounded by light, and their consciousness began to fade.

“Shi—” Yue shouted, panicking. The portal she’d created scattered to the four winds. SS Volume p215
After he got left alone in the middle of torii corridor, he kept walking for half a day through the long corridor that was clearly far longer than in reality no matter how he looked at it.

The stone paving and red torii’s were extending endlessly without any change in scenery. It felt like he was not making any progress at all. The outside of the corridor was covered in mist, and even when he threw caution to the wind and tried charging daringly into the mist, he only ended up at his original spot.

He also tried using the Gate artifact, but although it activated, the light membrane had noises running through it or wavering, or dispersing from the edge. It looked dodgy and didn’t seem usable. Ch 404
Another example is the atavists having elements related abilities.
 
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Infinite multiverse
It got accepted
 
i started reading the series 👍
i will be making my way through it very very slowly because i am reading it in japanese and i suck at japanese
That's dope, always welcome new people to bounce ideas off of. Is any particular reason you want to read the raws? Like for practice or something like that?
 
Typical of the anime, good songs and completely phoned in visuals. Man this adaptation could be so much better it hurts.
And skipped content. Volume 1 alone could suffice for the first season. If it was adapted right, it could have been Gintama or One Piece of isekai.

At what order you recommend reading the LN ?
 
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