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defenses means durability, man. They're literally synonymous.
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Arceus vs Cronus
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No we determined 2-B via Relection Cave. Basically ask Azzy since he upgreaded them.Matthew Schroeder said:
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What Dragon said. While there's evidence for the games=universes, it's not the reason they got upgraded.Matthew Schroeder said:
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I trust Azzy's judgement, then.
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@Cal Meaning the Megas could very well bypass the shields and plates as well. But anyways, we'll run in circles here if we keep this up. I'll accept your vote.
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Don't fully trust the description in Cronus' profile. The Megas Drepanon can bypass the durability of comparable beings.
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Now Matt you really think in a thread with both Azzy and Ant that that would go through? XDMatthew Schroeder said:
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But wait wouldnt the plates be inside Arceus's body though? It's not like they are just floating around him.
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Wait, so you agree with me, Matt? (On that particular thing. Not on the victor.)
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Err, that isn't even a thing. It doesn't matter where the plates are, partner, just if their effects get ignored or not.
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How would they even be ignorable though? The plates a part of Arceus's existence and in the worst case Scenerio cant he just use Precog to notice they would get ignored and find a counter for it? Or just regenerate?
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Precog is useless here.
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@Anime See my talk with Cal above as for why I think it would happen and why he thinks it wouldn't happen. Like I said, If I keep up on this one, we'll be running in circles.
EDIT: Basically, me and Cal agreed to disagree.
EDIT: Basically, me and Cal agreed to disagree.
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Yeah both can likely see into the future regardless.
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Alright. But then what about Arceus's Attack Negation? And could he use something like OHK via Perish Song?
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Both seem to have OHK attacks, honestly.
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Well Arceus' protect stopped whatever pink attack Palkia did.....
Also people keep this in mind
Note 4: Due to its status as creator, supreme being and wielder of plates which allows it to use all kinds of moves, Arceus can potentially use all abilities within the Pokemon franchise.
Also people keep this in mind
Note 4: Due to its status as creator, supreme being and wielder of plates which allows it to use all kinds of moves, Arceus can potentially use all abilities within the Pokemon franchise.
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It was his aura sphere and protect? I thought he used the platesDragonmasterxyz said:
And that's why I asked if we could use abilities beyond the ones on his profile because the OP of a thread pretty much has to decide if they are allowed or not.
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Well Cal just said that we should likely keep things limited to his file to avoid confusion.
So Matt are you for Cronus or Inconclusive?
So Matt are you for Cronus or Inconclusive?
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Ahhh well I doing some research and that pink attack (so named by Dragon here) was Spacial Render used by Palkia and it is a dragon type move so that was prevented by the plates. Note to prove it: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Spacial_Rend_(move)
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What?!Starkiller215 said:
Well eh. Considering the manga version of the movie has Dialga and Palkia using their signature moves on Incomplete Arceus and both get nullified effortlessly, im not that suprised.
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Wrong pink move. The move he used was a transparent pink blast. Spacial Rend is a Spatial Slash Wave.Starkiller215 said:
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@Dragon Oh that means aura sphere? Now I am confused.
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Aura Sphere is a energy ball.Starkiller215 said:
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Arceus. Arceus cancles out a lot of Cronus' hax. Most importantly his spacial and time warping hax. as well as almost nearly every other hax he has can be nullified by arceus leaving only a few there.
They're fairly evenly matched but nulification of Cronus's hax plus ompni present and infinite speed by defualt not an ability+MFTL means arceus takes it.
They're fairly evenly matched but nulification of Cronus's hax plus ompni present and infinite speed by defualt not an ability+MFTL means arceus takes it.
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Hmmm @Dragon that doesn't help at all.
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Speed is equalized.Typhlosion130 said:
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To be fair, all of Dialga and Palkia's moves in general seem to be Time-Space based or incoporated. To justify this, we have their regular non signature moves able to make distortions in the spaece-time continumm and the fact that Darkrai got erased from existence with just a collison between Hyper Beam and Aura Sphere.....
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Speed is equalized but one ignores the others ability to warp space thus removing "equalized speed". Literally trying ti equalize speed in this match doesn't work.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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/\ What...?
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@Typhlosion...What?
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the means in which Cronus gets infinite speed stat are with space warping. Arceus has feats of defeating gods of time and space nulifying this "speed". He technically does have infinite speed but against arceus that means nothing because his warping of space does not affect the battle. thus while speed is equalized at a base. arceus ignores that via hax.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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...Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaathat's a new one.
Speed equalized is not done by any of the characters, ROFL It's a rule for the match where both have the same speed. Usually in order to make things fair and/or prevent a blitz, speed stomp.
Speed equalized is not done by any of the characters, ROFL It's a rule for the match where both have the same speed. Usually in order to make things fair and/or prevent a blitz, speed stomp.
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...That's interesting. Never heard that one before.
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WHich I understand. but Hax. Arceus has hax. that nulify. his infinite speed. because his speed is infinite by means which arceus haxes away. which is why I'm saying. it kinda doesn't work. the only way it would work is to say you can't count arcesus feat of beating a god of space (and time at the same time)FateAlbane said:
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I am for Cronus. Arceus doesn't have anything that Cronus or weaker SS people don't have, and he has not defense against Cronus's Causality and Fate Manipulation, as well as Cronus' Megas Drepanon.
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This... This is just gold.
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@Typhlosion130 Going "He has defeated Gods of Time" isn't a feat. It's dependent solely on how powerful said Gods of time are. And you can go "This is speed equalized but his ability ignores that." Cronus' feat comes from Erasing Distance, something that he can still do, even if Arceus moves just as fast as he does.
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Fate I sorta understand, but I thought I already covered causality. Some admin told me (I forgot who it was) that in order to be tier 2, you must be acausal. Besides, Arceus would have acasuality regardless.
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@Cal Why are you replying that to me, though...? The "gold" I was talking about was the "speed equalization is moot" thing.
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