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No. I mean fate manipulation lol.
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Arceus vs Cronus
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Gods of time AND space. 2 of them.Matthew Schroeder said:
Chronus has infinte speed thorugh warping of space. something palkia could have done its self. And at the same time the bending of time in the favor of Dialga during the fight. And arceus beat both meaning he has to be above both warping of time and the warping of space.
Meaning htat Chronus's warping of space to gain his infinite speed is null.
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On the page it says fate manipulation is useless on someone who is acasual.Matthew Schroeder said:
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@Matthew I believe he was referring to the Creation Trio which was in sealed form (Low 2-C) in the Pokemon Movie Arceus and the Jewel of Life as he did defeat the three of them in one fight.
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... Are you still talking about speed in a match with equalized speed?
I'm talking about erasing distance, meaning that Cronus' OHK Scythe has infinite range in this fight.
I'm talking about erasing distance, meaning that Cronus' OHK Scythe has infinite range in this fight.
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Isn't attack speed equalized with the rest though?
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ROFL, damn this ambiguous username!The real cal howard said:
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And I think Cronus would bypass the durability of Arceus' plates. The Megas Drepanon is a superior weapon to even Hades' sword, which can pierce on a soul and astral level, and Cronus can manipulate both Causality and Fate.
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Pontos can Fate Manipulate Acausal beings.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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I'm tlaking about it because arceus has hax that makes him above the warping of space (and time). and Chronus is infinite speed via warping of space. WHich would mean that Equalizing speed in this fight puts arceus at Masivly faster than light which he is not even in a base stat.Matthew Schroeder said:
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@Typhlosion >> Implying Sealed Creation Trio = Cronus.
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@Matt Hey just reading what the description says.
- This ability is completely useless against those with Acausality orOmnilock.
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Also. Cronus has High to Low-Godly Regenerationn, and like all Saint Seiya characters has an insane durability to Durability Bypassing. Good luk on Arceus killing him.
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Also, it's a rule for the match, Typhlosion. Cronus is not ARBITRARILY having the same speed as Arceus because he warps space-time, with speed equalized he could justa as well move and attack that fast.
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Okay there might have been a error here. How does the heck will Pontos Fate manipulation ascasual beings? That sound more like Reality Warping to the degree they can affect ascasualilty.
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Higher Cosmos than said Acausal beings, that's how.Starkiller215 said:
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Pretty sure Conceptual Manipulation>>>>>>>most of that and we're debating Megas Drepanon right nowMatthew Schroeder said:
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Low Godly over time. Once he "dies" once it should be over since it takes time(years) to come back.Matthew Schroeder said:
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In Saint Seiya if you have a higher Cosmos, you can basically say "**** you" to your opponent's abilities, and Pontos is a Primordial Deity who vastly outclasses lesser Gods and who is capable of manipulating the flow / current of Fate, and affect lesser deities.
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@Matt Hmmm not so sure on that as that will mean conflicting information right there.
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Both Pontos manipulating Fate and affecting lesser deities and deities being Acausal come from the same SS Author (Megumu Okada), it's not conflicting information. SS is just overpowered.
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I'm going with Arceus, both are very much equal though from what i've seen any arguments against his plates negating damage or the ability to just send his opponent's back at them or ignored or are completely speculative.
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I fail to see how the Creation Trio is factoring into this discussion, their 2-C feats are nothing that Unsealed Hyperion, Apollo or Pontos couldn't do.
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@Matthew I gonna label this Pontos ability to manipulation of Fate as Reality Wrap and not to mention this is kinda derailing the thread here as it is not even connected to Pontos.
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Also Cronus isnt the only one with a OHK move
Arceus can do the same thing via Perish Song
Arceus can do the same thing via Perish Song
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Just reading the files. Also I put "" around dies for a reason. Also Arceus should be able to attack his soul.
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The creation trio are 2-BMatthew Schroeder said:
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When they are unsealed. Fairly sure Arceus fought them sealed.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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Well technically he was too. He wasn't complete yet at that time.FateAlbane said:
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@Fate he made them, not matter which tier they are in Arceus will always Godstomp them.
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1) Even the weakest Titan is Low 2-C when unsealed
2) Athena should be superior to most Titans as she is a Goddess of War and pretty powerful
3) Apollo is so higher than Athena that her powers are insignificant compared to his.
4) Sealed Sun Titan Hyperion is Low 2-C, and his Unsealed Form is an untold number of time stronger
5) Hades is superior to both as one of the Three Emperor Gods
6) Cronus >>> Any Titan and Olympian besides Zeus
7) Cronus' feat of destroying all of space and time across all universes during minutes is a passive feat. He did it while multitasking with fighting Aiolia and was doing so very casually.
8) Every ability Arceus has, Cronus has an on a higher level because they are abilities far weaker SS gods have.
9) Cronus has abilities that Arceus doesn't have. His Megas Drepanon can OHK Arceus. Cronus can regenerate at a Quantic level.
This is my final argument.
2) Athena should be superior to most Titans as she is a Goddess of War and pretty powerful
3) Apollo is so higher than Athena that her powers are insignificant compared to his.
4) Sealed Sun Titan Hyperion is Low 2-C, and his Unsealed Form is an untold number of time stronger
5) Hades is superior to both as one of the Three Emperor Gods
6) Cronus >>> Any Titan and Olympian besides Zeus
7) Cronus' feat of destroying all of space and time across all universes during minutes is a passive feat. He did it while multitasking with fighting Aiolia and was doing so very casually.
8) Every ability Arceus has, Cronus has an on a higher level because they are abilities far weaker SS gods have.
9) Cronus has abilities that Arceus doesn't have. His Megas Drepanon can OHK Arceus. Cronus can regenerate at a Quantic level.
This is my final argument.
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Then how can we be so sure that he'll just outright negate hax from a being equal to him at 2-B lvl, and much higher than the sealed Creation Trio?
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Dont see Conceptual Manipulating on his profile. Or Attack Negating.Matthew Schroeder said:
And Perish Song can also OHK Cronus as well.
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How can we be sure Cronus' OHK move will kill someone equal to him because Arceus and Cronus are equal in power here.FateAlbane said:
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@RadicalMrR What I'm saying is that each and every one of the Creation Trio also look like inferior beings to Cronus. I don't see how the reasoning "Arceus >>> Creation Trio" works in his favor here when Cronus is also superior to similar beings in his own series. Heck, his power is stronger than all the other titans combined, and there were a lot of them around.
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Affecting acausal beings with Fate Manipulation via having higher cosmos sounds a lot like that Dragon Ball more ki > hax, which I thought we rendered useless.
Also, full power creation trio should be equal to Cronus IN POWER ALONE, given they're both low end 2-B.
Finally, something about speed equalized, but the normally slower character gets to keep his infinite speed attack sounds...unfair.
Also, full power creation trio should be equal to Cronus IN POWER ALONE, given they're both low end 2-B.
Finally, something about speed equalized, but the normally slower character gets to keep his infinite speed attack sounds...unfair.
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Is Cronus above the concept of willpower? If he isn't, Arceus simply erases it and it's GG
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