AP changes to Ars Almadel Salomonis

[Overlord775]

Ars Almadel Salomonis is currently rated at High 6-A for being able to destroy the surface of Earth, BUT it does it trought past, present and future across ALL of human history, so it should be much higher than just high 6-A.

Massivelly lowballing this and saying that past human history starts at 2500 A.C. (The period Gilgamesh ruled according to Wikipedia) and only accounting up to present day

EVEN if we assume Ars Almadel Salomonis only hits every year, it would be 4500 years x 183.24x1015 Tons of TNT (Average Surface Destruction) = 8.2458e+20 Tons of TNT, Low 5-B, two tiers above the current rating

If we a assume it hits every day, it would be 1620000 days x 183.24x1015 Tons of TNT = 2.968488e+23 Tons of TNT, 5-B

If we assume it hits every hour, it would be 38880000 hours x 183.24x1015 Tons of TNT = 7.1243712e+24 Tons of TNT, 5-A

and for an highball, if we assume it hits every second, it would be 139968000000 seconds x 183.24x1015 Tons of TNT = 2.5647736e+28 Tons of TNT, High 5-A

BUT since deciding what "it lays waste to the surface of the planet in the past, present, and future all at once." is a pretty subjective matter, i think it should be just changed from Multi-Continental Level to Unknow

also, just as a remined in case someone wants to bring out that charged Ars Almadel Salomonis is only 5-B, the charged version doesn't just planet burst, it causes planetary time reversal and conceptual changes, which is a lot more than just destroying a planet

Last thing, if this has been discussed before and already got rejected, sorry for not knowing.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Why not Unknow, At leastHigh 6-A, possibly Whatever we decide here

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

It's unquantifiable unfortunately, though I would be ok with an unknown rating.

If one considered it hitting the planet every "instant" then it could even get to infinite 3-A, so the range is simply too large to give it a numerical rating.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Shouldn't it be calc'able from Excalibur? We are given a unit in heat. What was it a millions of x hotter??? and if its a millions x stronger why not calc from that??? I feel it might be calcable since were given a unit of heat and we know millions of time hotter than excalibur, but its beyond me hahaha

Although, the 72 demons gods are capable of anchoring themselves in each era and stopping the planets rotation casually. Which stopping the planets rotation is https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gwynbleiddd/The_Earth%27s_rotational_energy here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gwynbleiddd/The_Earth%27s_rotational_energy

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

You misunderstand.

The amount of energy from one million excaliblasts / required to burn the planet's surface to nothing is calcable, and is what got us the High 6-A rating.

But Goetia isn't just hitting the planet with a single High 6-A blast, he's hitting the planet with a High 6-A blast in every point in time simultaneously. E.g., High 6-A multiplied by however many times he's hitting the planet.

Which could be once a day, once a second, once an attosecond, or once an "instant" and we have no way to determine which, and could range from High 6-A to infinite 3-A.

I remember the planets rotation being halted coming up and I think it was deemed unquantifiable because it was noted we don't know how many demon pillars were required to do it.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Ah i see your point.... but I don't think it would be to far a stretch to say its high 3-A, but i think Unkown is the best solution.

Though would this be immeasurable attack speed???

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

"X points in time" feats are a bit tricky to gauge properly, as there would technically be an amount of them greater than any countable number contained within anything we could define as a "measurement of time." So needless to say, a calc isn't really going to work with them in that kind of way.

 

[Overlord775]

that's why i am proposing to change the rating to '''Unknown'''

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Well for starters, I added that calc link a whole while back cuz I figure it would be good to have SOME kind of figure for it.

But now that I see it, I'm now thinking that probably doesn't work given it's "attack" function as I would call this here.

It's late rn and Im off computer so I can't take that out atm. What I do think that might happen for AAS is either the unknown option (which works for that of how it attacks on such a scale, and may also be more powerful than the sheer heat it produces that, according to Goetia's own word, can pierce a hole through the planet), or just keep the at least high 6-A but add the unknown and maybe change "possibly higher" to "possibly far higher".

TL;Dr ver: Do Unknown or Unknown, at least High 6-A, possibly/likely far higher.

Would that work instead?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I mean, sounds like we could probably make it high universal but y'all do what you want

 

[Paul_Frank]

considering Goetia was going to use it to wipe out life at all points in time instead of doing it himself while he is high 3-A it should probably be at least as strong as him

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Or just a matter of it being able to hit all life at once whereas he would have to do so era by era.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

It's also that he was trying to break it down as an energy source, not raw destruction

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

I'm personally more inclined to believe High 3-A as well tbqh

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

> This would mean High 3-A Dura Lord Camelot

Wow, nasu wasn't kidding when he said as long as the heart remained strong the walls would never fall

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

the shield might be but did't mash get deleteted by it??

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Mash was killed by the heat coming off of AAS iirc.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

only high 3-A with her sheild then which is easy to bypass....????

assuming taking high 3-a seriously.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

If you guys REALLY want to take this route with AAS? Yes, only thr shield will scale since that's what's tanked it for Mash to protect Guda.

It's just that the heat from it was just potent it pretty much killed Mash anyways.

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

I mean Lord Camelot's nature makes that sound more reasonable than one would think at first tbh

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Then again it did only tanked a concentrated beam of AAS tho. Not sure if it's as potent as the AOE AAS or not. (Shrugs)

 

[Overlord775]

> This would mean High 3-A Dura Lord Camelot
Wow, nasu wasn't kidding when he said as long as the heart remained strong the walls would never fall

Waifu grants infinite protection owo

 

[Overlord775]

bump

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Unknown makes sense to me

 

[Overlord775]

bump

 

[Overlord775]

Considering most if not all people agree with this, can we apply the changes ?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Wait, wasn't it Goetia who fired AAS at Mash, not "Grand Caster"?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Yes

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So, I assume we assume AAS is Unknown even as Beast 1, right?

 

[Paul_Frank]

AAS should be all of history since up to the point where humanity is projected to go extinct in 2016/2019

Although it is also said that it only burns up human history from every era over 3000 years which would be significantly less than that so I'm not actually sure

@Yobo

I would guess so, meaning the shield would be unknown at least high 6-A or something like that

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That seems odd though, as he does still use it as his most powerful attack.

 

[Paul_Frank]

That's what I said earlier, Monarch's reasoning was that it might just be that he wanted to use it instead of going through and manually wiping humanity at every point, to which Iap added that he needed them for fuel anyway

The problem with that reasoning is that he does infact still use it as his noble phantasm and most powerful attack when fighting the servants of Chaldea and it hits harder than him, implying it is above what he himself is capable of physically

 

[Overlord775]

@Paul

3000 years doesn't seem right at all, as it would mean AAS wouldn't be hitting important targets such as Babylon or Ancient Egypt

Also, is high 3-A to Low 2-C Lord Camelot too farferched ?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Also, is high 3-A to Low 2-C Lord Camelot too farferched ?

Not at all imo

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

I agree with unknown rating.

 

[Paul_Frank]

@overlord

Yeah I agree 3000 years doesn't really make sense for that to be all AAS hits

I feel like it should still be above Goetia physically due to him deploying it as his strongest attack in game when fighting us

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah, I definitely think AAS is Low 2-C, especially since he seems to be using the focused version

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

3-A to Low 2-C

 

[Overlord775]

So

"Unknow with Ars Almadel Salomonis" for Grand Caster and Solomon

"Higher with Ars Almadel Salomonis" for Beast I

At least High Universe level, likely Universe level+ with Lord Camelot (Completely nullified Goetia's Ars Almadel Salomonis and while Mash died due to the sheer heat of the attack, her shield remained unscathed).

right ?

 

[Overlord775]

can we add the changes already since most of not all people agreed ?