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Alien x vs Base dbs Gogeta (celebrating Alien x Low 2-C downgrade)
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That wasn't all at once though
Spopovich, Yamu, Yakon and Pui Pui were all dead when he controlled Vegeta
The most he controlled at once is 5 I believe
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So Babidi's potency is less than Alien X's, but given how close they are, I'm not sure if Vegeta can resist.
Actually those unnamed fodders you mentioned do appear in the manga, so it's Babidi who probably has the higher potency, meaning Vegeta and therefore Gogeta resists fine.
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No, It won't be accepted.
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If it can extend to both U6 and 7, then it probably is 4-D. Though, I believe you have to make a CRT about it or smth.
Either way, if Gogeta resists Alien X' mindhax, then he fodderizes.
Either way, if Gogeta resists Alien X' mindhax, then he fodderizes.
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Didn't Beerus also say that he cannot erase immortals??
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Yeah but that’d downgrade their AP.
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That's if both fight at the same time, I highly doubt that just one of them could doubt individually.
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What but why?
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Not sure what you mean here?
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EE doesn't scale to AP. Also for everyone's info, EE also has several degrees in tier 2 just like AP does. It's the reason Mario could get erased by AX's multiversal EE despite having a resistance to low 2-C EE.
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Tf am i reading?
EE is 4D in nature, if it was any less itd just atomization
EE is 4D in nature, if it was any less itd just atomization
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... So antimatter that completely annihilates a targets' body is 4D?
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Is the reason AX' EE bypasses Mario's is because it's 4D?
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No because it's got bigger AoE within 4D, Mario's resistance is also 4D (low 2-C). The potency of EE is determined by AoE (and what exactly it affects such as souls but the 2 are independent from one another).
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Unless I'm misunderstanding, but by AOE, do you mean the fact that AX can affect an entire universe, which is why Mario couldn't resist it?
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No multiverse, AX's EE isn't downgraded yet (and I don't think it will since I have quite the amount of counters), so if we take Servantis' statement at face value then AX still EE's the multiverse, while Mario only resists universal+ EE.
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That's not how EE works, you can have an EE that work on a 3D scale (such us erasing 3D objects like space for example) All Fiction is also an example of this
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@Rikimarox2 That said... I recently had a debate where EE scaling to AP came up and he basically argued that it's quite stupid to argue EE doesn’t scale to AP when it’s really just another level of destruction, such as sub-atomizing the universe being a level of destruction.
Since in DB destruction energy is still tied to ki and Alien X’s EE is tied to his reality warping. I think it would make sense for both of them (Beerus and AX) to also be able to destroy the multiverse (or 2 universes) without erasing it and thus both get it scaled to their AP. We could potentially make a general thread for this. What do you say?
Since in DB destruction energy is still tied to ki and Alien X’s EE is tied to his reality warping. I think it would make sense for both of them (Beerus and AX) to also be able to destroy the multiverse (or 2 universes) without erasing it and thus both get it scaled to their AP. We could potentially make a general thread for this. What do you say?
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A hax that can destroy things can have a tier/AP (take Instant Death as an example) however that wouldn't scale to your physical stats
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Instant death is death hax and probably conceptual at that. That doesn’t take away from EE’ing the multiverse being a next level step from sub-atomizing it. Especially for characters like Alien X and Beerus, who aren’t some 9-B’s with crazy hax. It wouldn’t scale to either of their physical stats directly tho, it would scale to AX’s RW and Beerus’ ki and from there you could potentially scale it to physical AP (in Beerus’ case easier than AX’s).
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U understand space/time is 4D, right?
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Is it? Didnt know
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Even if Hakai is 4-D, would that mean that Goku with 4-D durability would be inmune against other 3-D characters's with 3-D Hax like Reality warping, Mind manipulation, conceptual manip?.
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No? If Hakai is 4D, then goku simply has resistances to 4-D EE, and MAAAAYBE soul erasure, but that last one is iffy.
The only way Goku would be immune to 3-D hax is if his dimensionality was 4-D. His durability doesn't really matter against hax if his existence is 3-D.
The only way Goku would be immune to 3-D hax is if his dimensionality was 4-D. His durability doesn't really matter against hax if his existence is 3-D.
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Soul erasure sounds iffy to me too, as standart EE is both, physically and spiritually, but we haven't seen someone particularly attacking Goku's Soul in DBS without having to erase his body (matter).
So No.
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Alright soooooo is mind hax gonna work against Gogeta or it's a stomp? Since looking at Omegas arguments Gogeta probably resist Mind hax
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Gogeta probably resists since Babidi has higher mind hax potency than Alien X
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He most likely resists, so he can just yeet AX with a kamehameha or smth.
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Don't forget that 3 of the 6 people that AX mind controlled (maybe even all 6), were already being mind-controlled and AX straight up overpowered that mind control.
Edit: How many fodder did Babidi mind-control? Also there's a difference between resisting mind control via willpower and regular resistance I think since not every mindhax is "weak" to willpower.
Edit: How many fodder did Babidi mind-control? Also there's a difference between resisting mind control via willpower and regular resistance I think since not every mindhax is "weak" to willpower.
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I think it was 5 people
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So AX scales above 6 and Babidi controls 7, lol, never thought we'd actually have to count like this lol. Assuming willpower isn't a factor in mindhax resistance then I guess Gogeta edges out. But I'm not sure willpower isn't a factor.
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Didn't vegeta resist via his own will?
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Not all mindhax is weak to willpower though.
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