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Akame Upgrade (Which will upgrade most of the verse as well)

Drellix said:
ZERO7772 said:
Hmm Tatsumi was half serious with wave it doesn't scale to wave not until he got his second teigu is when Tatsumi went serious on him , IMO town level wave is just out tier by the same logic you would be forced to give the other characters town level and even base tatsumi would be town level for surviving serious hit from wave xD
wave was completely outclassed
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I don't think you understand. If Wave was completely outclassed by semi serious tatsumi, when they're fists connected, Wave would have been blown back. But he wasn't and was able to fight with Tatsumi for a panel.
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He fought him for a panel

lol you really want to scale him with 2-3 punches ? and then semi-serious tatsumi blows him flying he just wanted him to stay down

Wave got his second teigu which give him huge power bust and then fly using his strongest attack and Tatsumi completely counter it with zero damage and even then when they show up Wave got his armor off him while tatsumi was just fine , which show you the difference between them before wave got his scone teigu


IMO i had several discussion with you back then we never reached conclusion if you want to give Wave town level then go but that will apply to 70% of the characters even lubck will go town level for surviving attack from wave , tatsumi is town level , akame is town level , Leone is town level , kurome is town level , everyone is town level

Meh count me out of this ......
 
Semi serious tatsumi beaten the crap out of wave with few punches that what you call outclass , wave was so desperate to get over through him while Tatsumi wasn't really trying

Like i said if you insist on your logic you must give nearly 70% of the characters town level good luck with it , i told you to upgrade Akame few weeks ago but you refused because esdeath wiped her ass while not serious why now you want to upgrade wave who got stomped by semi-serious tatsumi ?

I really don't understand you
 
Firstly, Akame WILL NOT get Town level due to the fact it would scale to her durability, and she stated herself that if she took a single hit from Wave, it would be over.

Secondly, Lubbock has been known for being a human punching bag. He'll take all the hits so that he's in position to do his wires. We've seen it all throughout the series.

Again, we're still scaling Wave to whatever amount of power Tatsumi used during his fight. He would get scaled via keeping up with Evolved Incursio for a time. Side note: the injuries you saw when he was standing next to Kurome were pre Mastema inflicted. Wave already stated he was able to get on his level when he got on Mastema.
 
ZERO7772 said:
i told you to upgrade Akame few weeks ago but you refused because esdeath wiped her ass while not serious why now you want to upgrade wave who got stomped by semi-serious tatsumi ?
I really don't understand you
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Esdeath and Wave are complete opposites. You can't compare them. It took several hits for her to get through Grand Chariot. And that was only due to the fact she had a Teigu, it was a blade so less AP needed, and she struck the exact same spot. If these conditions were not met, she would get pummeled alive. Not to mention the fact that the only reason she didn't here is because Wave was "Off tilt" and "losing his edge". And he didn't get immediately stomped, therefore he scales.
 
-she trade blows with serious wave she's town level xD Akame arm would turn into pieces is she connected with Esdeath who sit at city level but you still refuse to acknowledge , i want City level Akame

-Whatever you say xD

-We can never know how much exactly tatsumi used agiants him he got his ass kicked after few punhces from semi-serious i was referring to the mere fact Wave got his armor off him while tatsumi still had his Armor
 
ZERO7772 said:
-she trade blows with serious wave she's town level xD Akame arm would turn into pieces is she connected with Esdeath who sit at city level but you still refuse to acknowledge , i want City level Akame
-Whatever you say xD

-We can never know how much exactly tatsumi used agiants him he got his ass kicked after few punhces from semi-serious i was referring to the mere fact Wave got his armor off him while tatsumi still had his Armor
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She didn't trade blows. She dodged all of them because if she took a single blow, she would be done. And she doesn't scale to Esdeath because Esdeath hasn't even gone all out on Tatsumi, much less Akame, who is leagues below Tatsumi. Akame stated when she showed up in Chapter 74 that she slashed Shikoutazers foot and couldn't damage it. That's not someone with City level AP
 
I dunno. Bladed weapons tend to require far less AP than a blunt weapon or an energy attack to do damage.

Then, Akame had to hit multiple times on the exact same spot to even scratch Grand Chariot.

Gonna have to say no to this.
 
Gemmysaur said:
I dunno. Bladed weapons tend to require far less AP than a blunt weapon or an energy attack to do damage.
Then, Akame had to hit multiple times on the exact same spot to even scratch Grand Chariot.

Gonna have to say no to this.
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Akame chipped off a piece of the armor, not scratched. And Large Building level with even a bladed weapon is not even scratching with twenty hits against someone with MCB durability.
 
Chipped, fine. But City-block level? That's kinda stretching it because bladed weapons.

Large+ at best methinks.
 
Gemmysaur said:
Chipped, fine. But City-block level? That's kinda stretching it because bladed weapons.
Large+ at best methinks.
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Still doesn't cut it. There's still too huge a gap. Still not getting in within twenty hits, Much less five hits.
 
I agree with Drellix, this is well above large building. Also Drellix, Najenda kicked off Rokugou's head and Rokugou fought Leone so she should scale.
 
Cropfist said:
I agree with Drellix, this is well above large building. Also Drellix, Najenda kicked off Rokugou's head and Rokugou fought Leone so she should scale.
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Rokugou used a whip. That's all. It wasn't a physical battle.
 
He doesn't break his arm from attacking with the whip hard enough to injure her so it scales to durability.
 
Cropfist said:
He doesn't break his arm from attacking with the whip hard enough to injure her so it scales to durability.
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Then it's a hyperbole. There is no way Najenda is on par with Night Raid fighters. If that was the case, she would still be wielding Pumpkin. But she said so herself, she doesn't have the power to do so and Susanoo put less strain on her.
 
Well given the fact that Akame was like the second strongest member of Night Raid; I gues City Block level seems fine for her.
 
Right, here are the proposed tiering for the relevant characters. This is going to be a long one.

Part 1 of post:

Wave/Grand Chariot

Chapter 41, Page 16
Chapter 41, page 16
C42, page14
Chapter 42, page 14

  • At Chapter 41, Wave fought against both Lubbock and Akame. This was the part where Wave was supposed to protect Bolic.
  • At Chapter 41, Page 16, Akame and Wave start trading blows. Here, it would seem that they are mostly even during the fight. However, Akame gets punched and is sent flying.
  • Akame explains that Wave seems to be stronger than normal during their fight, meaning that Wave is pretty amped up here at this point.
  • Chapter 42, page 14, Wave also tanks a direct hit from Mine's Pumpkin, which has Multi-City Block level AP during a crisis.
  • Chapter 66, page 7 to page 13, Wave manages to somewhat trade multiple blows with 2nd form Incursio Tatsumi, although he gets his teeth kicked in. I do not think that any of the two fighters were holding back here.
  • Keep in mind that in this state, Tatsumi has Small City level AP here, which is rather crucial for determining Wave's tiering.
  • After Wave integrates Run's Mastema into his Grand Chariot, he manages to match Tatsumi's AP here, meaning Wave's AP with GC+Mastema = Tatsumi's Incursio 2nd Form
Akame

Chapter 41, page 18
Chapter 41, page 18
C62, page4
Chapter 62, page 4
C62, page9
Chapter 62, page 9
Ch62, page 13
Chapter 62, page 13
C62, page 18
Chapter 62, page 18

  • The post I made about Wave should mostly apply to Akame here.
  • At Chapter 41, Page 18, Akame actually tanks a direct blow from Grand Chariot. Surprisingly, Akame is shown to be fine a couple pages later, as well as Rabac. This scales to both of their durability.
  • At Chapter 42, Page 5, Akame gets up and still manages to trade blows with Wave.
  • At Chapter 62, Akame manages to dodge most of Grand Chariot's attacks. This is a testament to Akame's speed, not power however.
  • At Chapter 62, Pages 4 and 10, it shows Akame striking Grand Chariot's spot twice. In my thoughts, this is a testament to Akame's battle knowledge/intellect, as her main purpose was to make Wave lose his composure during the fight. This is shown on pages 11 and 12.
  • At Chapter 62, Page 13, Akame and Wave manage to trade blows, shown on the bottom right panel. However, at this point, Akame manages to figure out what the weaknesses of the Grand Chariot, shows on the areas behind the knees. The very fact that Akame managed to figure this out during the heat of combat against someone stronger than her is a testament to Akame's major skill advantage over someone like Wave.
  • At Chapter 62, Page 18, Akame takes a chunk out of Wave's armor. This is an AP feat for Akame, as managed to take out a piece of the armor from GC, which is known for its durability.
  • Akame manages to trade blows with Esdeath, multiple times. This was shown on Chapters 55, pages 8 to 12, as in Chapter 75, pages 9 to 13
Tatsumi/Base Incursio

  • Tatsumi tanked a direct hit from Wave's grand fall. This gives a solid basis for Tatsumi's durability.
  • Tatsumi also tanks a kick, and some ice attacks from Esdeath, and manages to get up after some time.
  • Tatsumi was never shown to be stronger than Akame, at all, even with Incursio equipped. This is in his first form.
Conclusions
Wave's Tiering: (For Grand Chariot only)

  • Attack Potency: At least Town level, likely higher (Managed to trade blows with Akame, as well as 2nd form Incursio for a brief time)
  • Durability: At least Town level, likely higher (Managed to tank Akame's strikes without too much damage; took a direct blow from Incursio's second form and survived)
Akame's Tiering:

  • Attack Potency: At least Town level, likely higher (Managed to trade blows with a bloodlusted Wave, as well as managing to trade blows with Esdeath at times)
  • Durability: Town level (Managed to take direct hits from a bloodlusted Wave, getting up shortly after)
Tatsumi's Tiering:

  • Durability: Town level (Manages to survive a direct hit from Grand Fall)
Misc:

and I am done.
 
Lina Shields said:
Right, here are the proposed tiering for the relevant characters. This is going to be a long one.
Part 1 of post:

Wave/Grand Chariot

Chapter 41, Page 16
Chapter 41, page 16
C42, page14
Chapter 42, page 14

  • At Chapter 41, Wave fought against both Lubbock and Akame. This was the part where Wave was supposed to protect Bolic.
  • At Chapter 41, Page 16, Akame and Wave start trading blows. Here, it would seem that they are mostly even during the fight. However, Akame gets punched and is sent flying.
  • Akame explains that Wave seems to be stronger than normal during their fight, meaning that Wave is pretty amped up here at this point.
  • Chapter 42, page 14, Wave also tanks a direct hit from Mine's Pumpkin, which has Multi-City Block level AP during a crisis.
  • Chapter 66, page 7 to page 13, Wave manages to somewhat trade multiple blows with 2nd form Incursio Tatsumi, although he gets his teeth kicked in. I do not think that any of the two fighters were holding back here.
  • Keep in mind that in this state, Tatsumi has Small City level AP here, which is rather crucial for determining Wave's tiering.
  • After Wave integrates Run's Mastema into his Grand Chariot, he manages to match Tatsumi's AP here, meaning Wave's AP with GC+Mastema = Tatsumi's Incursio 2nd Form
Akame

Chapter 41, page 18
Chapter 41, page 18
C62, page4
Chapter 62, page 4
C62, page9
Chapter 62, page 9
Ch62, page 13
Chapter 62, page 13
C62, page 18
Chapter 62, page 18

  • The post I made about Wave should mostly apply to Akame here.
  • At Chapter 41, Page 18, Akame actually tanks a direct blow from Grand Chariot. Surprisingly, Akame is shown to be fine a couple pages later, as well as Rabac. This scales to both of their durability.
  • At Chapter 42, Page 5, Akame gets up and still manages to trade blows with Wave.
  • At Chapter 62, Akame manages to dodge most of Grand Chariot's attacks. This is a testament to Akame's speed, not power however.
  • At Chapter 62, Pages 4 and 10, it shows Akame striking Grand Chariot's spot twice. In my thoughts, this is a testament to Akame's battle knowledge/intellect, as her main purpose was to make Wave lose his composure during the fight. This is shown on pages 11 and 12.
  • At Chapter 62, Page 13, Akame and Wave manage to trade blows, shown on the bottom right panel. However, at this point, Akame manages to figure out what the weaknesses of the Grand Chariot, shows on the areas behind the knees. The very fact that Akame managed to figure this out during the heat of combat against someone stronger than her is a testament to Akame's major skill advantage over someone like Wave.
  • At Chapter 62, Page 18, Akame takes a chunk out of Wave's armor. This is an AP feat for Akame, as managed to take out a piece of the armor from GC, which is known for its durability.
  • Akame manages to trade blows with Esdeath, multiple times. This was shown on Chapters 55, pages 8 to 12, as in Chapter 75, pages 9 to 13
Tatsumi/Base Incursio

  • Tatsumi tanked a direct hit from Wave's grand fall. This gives a solid basis for Tatsumi's durability.
  • Tatsumi also tanks a kick, and some ice attacks from Esdeath, and manages to get up after some time.
  • Tatsumi was never shown to be stronger than Akame, at all, even with Incursio equipped. This is in his first form.
Conclusions
Wave's Tiering: (For Grand Chariot only)

  • Attack Potency: At least Town level, likely higher (Managed to trade blows with Akame, as well as 2nd form Incursio for a brief time)
  • Durability: At least Town level, possibly Small City level (Managed to tank Akame's strikes without too much damage; took a direct blow from Incursio's second form and survived)
Akame's Tiering:

  • Attack Potency: At least Town level, likely higher (Managed to trade blows with a bloodlusted Wave, as well as managing to trade blows with Esdeath at times)
  • Durability: Town level (Managed to take direct hits from a bloodlusted Wave, getting up shortly after)
Tatsumi's Tiering:

  • Durability: Town level (Manages to survive a direct hit from Grand Fall)
Misc:

and I am done.

Dang....who can argue with this?
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Keep in mind that everything from here is based on Grand Chariot's base form actually matching blows with Tatsumi's 2nd form Incursio. If the feat above is valid, the fact that Akame was able to match

This means that Akame > Leone and rest of night raid, as Akame was noted to be one of the strongest members of Night Raid.

At least Akame didn't turn up like this during her fight with Esdeath...
 
Lina Shields said:
Keep in mind that everything from here is based on Grand Chariot's base form actually matching blows with Tatsumi's 2nd form Incursio. If the feat above is valid, the fact that Akame was able to match
This means that Akame > Leone and rest of night raid, as Akame was noted to be one of the strongest members of Night Raid.

At least Akame didn't turn up like this during her fight with Esdeath...
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Akame used drugs to fight toe to toe with Esdeath. Still, she's the stronger NR meber
 
Well, regarding that drugs statements, I would hold off on that if I were you. We may see something rather, surprising next chapter.
 
@Lina: It looks good. Only thing I have to say is that Leone should be on par with Akame at the least. She's stronger than BoS Tatsumi and Tatsumi clashed with Akame.
 
Lina Shields said:
Well, regarding that drugs statements, I would hold off on that if I were you. We may see something rather, surprising next chapter.
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I hope so, I WANT TO SEE MURASAME TRUMP CARD MAN! BTW the changes looks fine to me
 
@Drellix: I am uncertain. From the feats shows, Akame was actually hinted to be the Empire's top assassins; it would require a certain amount power and skill to achieve a position like that.

The only reason Leone takes blows as well as she does is because of her Regenerationn. Other than that, she's most likely comparable to Najenda and Sheele.

I don't think compared BoS and Akame's powers to one another would be a feasible way to scale the characters.
 
@Lina: What I'm saying is that from even the beginning Leone played the stronger of the two.

Also, Bulat is getting upgraded due to this, as he should be stronger than her in his base and Incursio.

But Leone, Sheele and Najenda etc. will need upgrades too. Large Building level is far far to low for them to be compared Akame.
 
Show me proof that Leone was stronger than Akame in the beginning of the series, because feats prove otherwise. I have not seen this in the first two chapters, however.

A statement said by a character in the series is valid proof as well.

That being said, I am able to accept "Multi-City Block level, likely higher", or "Small Town level" for most of the Night Raid cast. This would apply to Susanoo's base form as well.

I will also re-calculate Destaghoul's feat, as Destaghoul is likely stronger than most of the members of Night Raid; only Magatama Susanoo was able to handle it effectively.
 
It's not so much feats as it is just that kind of role. But the thing is, I don't see Akame being stronger than Leone. Leone literally bit apart a Teigu. That there counts for extreme attack strength above Large Building level. Wave had to equip Grand Chariot to break Yatsufusa. Which at this point is going to be Town level. Leone should be comparable to that by breaking Rubricante with her teeth. And only comparable. Wave absolutely shattered it, while Leone took a chunk out of it.(Dem teeth Durability though, bet she uses Colgate). Also, here's a quick thing while I went through Vol 7. Bols stomped Akame with his protected palm. How do we handle that?

Edit: If I'm not making sense, I apologize. I nodded off a couple times while typing that.
 
Actually, Small Town level for most of Night Raid would seem to be okay, considering that both Akame and Leone tanked a Town level explosion, shown in the blog above.
 
Sounds good to me. Small Town level Night Raid with follow up Jaeger scaling. Bols would go to Town level for tanking this explosion head on without any protection.
 
@Drellix: Mind if I see the exact page where Bols manhandles Akame? I want to see if there is definite proof that Bols >= Akame physically.
 
Lina Shields said:
@Drellix: Mind if I see the exact page where Bols manhandles Akame? I want to see if there is definite proof that Bols >= Akame physically.
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He didn't man handle her but he stomped his attack with his palm.
Gakame ga kill ch031 007
 
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