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I agree with thisPerhaps for anything outside of "He/Him, She/Her, and They/Them", someone could be able to contact a Staff member to implement something, rather than let them be Custom?
Just throwing it out there
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I agree with thisPerhaps for anything outside of "He/Him, She/Her, and They/Them", someone could be able to contact a Staff member to implement something, rather than let them be Custom?
Just throwing it out there
I think that's an awful idea.I believe due to sensitivity of the topics, they personally should be addressed in appropriate staff threads, or more preferably, staff group DMs.
I'm getting big ticking time bomb vibes leaving this thread open, personally.
I mean, do we even necessarily have to? I was originally going to bring up that we likely have no one on the site who solely uses non-standard pronouns (it/its or some set of neopronouns), but I felt that it would contradict my point, so I left it out. But now I think it's important to note it now because I'm not so sure that memorizing hundreds of different pronouns is even needed. Just have an extra category or two to cover less common cases and be done with it, I'd say.I see where you're coming from, but it's simply unreasonable to ask everyone on the site to change a very fundamental part of English grammar to accommodate the rare chance that someone refuses to use the unknown application of they/them.
I know. I was mocking the people who were treating it as exclusively plural, if that wasn't clear enough. (But thanks for the neat history factoid!)They/them is not grammatically awkward, it has been used as a singular unknown pronoun since as early as 1375; people claiming it is only plural are simply ignorant.
I... don't believe that was what I advocated? Not intentionally, at least; I can get behind defaulting to they/them and then letting people tell us if they would rather have another set of pronouns, or none at all.Your proposal of not using any pronouns by default would be entirely new, and if enforced would turn off many many people from the website as well as create a completely impossible standard of moderation since the offences would be in the hundreds or thousands everyday.
Sure. That's fair.If they explicitly ask not be called they/them, of course that is a different situation, but we can't make it the default assumption that they can't be.
...Yeah it's not scaling Superman, it's real-life stuff, things that should have a heavily moderated and well-thought discussion in its own separate thread. Something I believe a News and Announcement thread doesn't provide, Ant could go offline and we run the risk of conversation turning south.I think that's an awful idea.
This is a topic which affects everyone in the community on a personal level, it is not a standard for not scaling Superman to higher-dimensional stars. Trans, non-binary, and other non-cis people should be able to provide input on this, and the discussion has been very civil so far.
Hmm. In reconsideration of this point, I believe I can be neutral on the stance of allowing people other pronouns via contacting staff. You're right it would still be extremely rare, and also keep trolls from putting something offensive. I understand that certain people may not know how something like "xe" works, especially if English is not their first language, but given its rarity it may not affect the community as greatly as I think it would.not so sure that memorizing hundreds of different pronouns is even needed. Just have an extra category or two to cover less common cases and be done with it, I'd say.
I thought it was implied when you objected to leaving the area blank meaning we assume they/them by default, but I apologize if I misunderstood your point. It seems we have the same concerns, just slightly different methods for addressing them.I... don't believe that was what I advocated? Not intentionally, at least; I can get behind defaulting to they/them and then letting people tell us if they would rather have another set of pronouns, or none at all.
Sure. That's fair.
You may be right that it's better to be discussed in a separate thread, though it seemed natural to discuss it here. I just don't like the idea of staff members dictating a social issue like this in private, an authoritative group deciding in private how other people are able to identify just feels like something which is inherently wrong....Yeah it's not scaling Superman, it's real-life stuff, things that should have a heavily moderated and well-thought discussion in its own separate thread. Something I believe a News and Announcement thread doesn't provide, Ant could go offline and we run the risk of conversation turning south.
Good job on keeping the discussion civil thus far, but recognise you're not the only users on this platform, these kinds of threads have historically gone hella south here, hell I believe most can remember some infamous threads in the past :v
...you can always input on staff threads, it just has to be worthwhile comments, is allYou may be right that it's better to be discussed in a separate thread, though it seemed natural to discuss it here. I just don't like the idea of staff members dictating a social issue like this in private, an authoritative group deciding in private how other people are able to identify just feels like something which is inherently wrong.
If it's made a staff thread, I would recommend that the staff not be super strict about who they grant permission to comment. Relevant questions should be asked and answered.
I see. I was under the impression that you had to explicitly ask for permission and be given it. In that case, it is fine by me. Just disagree on a private DM dictating it....you can always input on staff threads, it just has to be worthwhile comments, is all
I am not sure. The topic of the necessary practical aspects of forum management and language usage in regular conversations, while simultaneously attempting to be respectful to people's individual gender identities, may be too controversial for this forum.@Antvasima anyways should I lock this thread?
Just, staff bypass threadlocks lol
Yes. Thread moderators, administrators, and bureaucrats should all be able to bypass thread locks.Wait we do???
Just don't worry about it then. It wasn't the best idea anyways IMO.Also, our staff members cannot currently customise the pronouns sections, and adjusting them to become empty textboxes that can be filled with anything by anybody will invite inappropriate additions and misunderstandings from many members.
I think you're over-reacting a little. You've introduced a new system, and people are naturally interested in if it's a good system or not, and so far nothing has happened in this thread to indicate it's out of control. People have already expressed their gratitude, but if it wasn't clear from me: I think it's a great addition in general and you've done great work in considering it. Thank you.Isn't it enough to accept that I made an effort to offer a hand of help here, to hopefully avoid hurt feelings and misunderstandings?
Leaving the field blank will just mean that no extra text at all is displayed below your username. If you can come up with a practically workable alternative standard text, I am obviously willing to listen though.Once again, someone who uses neopronouns (and only neopronouns, for the record) will always have to remind people about their preferences constantly, with or without an "Other Pronouns" option. The option will just make it more obvious that they don't identify with any of the standard pronouns. I know you might still be concerned about the option alienating members or being impractical, which is understandable, but then how would we deal with a new user (who actively uses the site and contributes to it meaningfully) who doesn't like any of the three options given?
At the absolute minimum, we should make it clear that leaving the field blank is an option for those who aren't comfortable with the three standard pronouns, and then from there, the user can say what would be preferable instead. Can we at least agree to that?
As already discussed, custom genders/pronouns:Actually, why can't we just put it the same way it works for signature and "about you" section?
As in, you can just write the pronouns yourself (especially since some people use both (s)he and they for instance).
The longer descriptions at the bottom of each post, yes. I do this for example, as I find it repetitive and distracting to constantly view them.To add onto this, the forum also gives users the option to turn off the signatures of other members, so there's that as well.
Great job.YOO I GOT IT WORKING
https://vsbattles.com/threads/karate-kid-cobra-kai-discussion-thread.129929/post-4510887they them is plural unless a user is representing multiple ppl
Hop finds that racist! (just kidding)Hopefully, most users are fine with using pronouns; repeating all those nouns over and over again really wear you down.