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8-B Tournament Semifinals: Solid Snake vs Optimus Prime (2007 DS Game)

There isn't any Metal Gear fight by the time you get it, in fact the only Metal Gears you fight in MGS4 are RAY, which you fight while controlling REX, and GEKKOS, which are pseudo-organic and possibly immune to them (idk if they are). That said as we've said before Snake is very pragmatic so I think he'd try it pretty fast.

It's pretty fast I think.
 
There isn't any Metal Gear fight by the time you get it, in fact the only Metal Gears you fight in MGS4 are RAY, which you fight while controlling REX, and GEKKOS, which are pseudo-organic and possibly immune to them (idk if they are). That said as we've said before Snake is very pragmatic so I think he'd try it pretty fast.

It's pretty fast I think.
Hum... Can you show a clip of him using It? And explain again how this works
 
There isn't any Metal Gear fight by the time you get it, in fact the only Metal Gears you fight in MGS4 are RAY, which you fight while controlling REX, and GEKKOS, which are pseudo-organic and possibly immune to them (idk if they are). That said as we've said before Snake is very pragmatic so I think he'd try it pretty fast.

It's pretty fast I think.
is it long range, and whats stopping prime from shooting him before it fires if it aint?
 
We alread talkede about chaff granades, don't time enough to kill optimus and he can just note go for It, optimus carne dodge or idk

What is a Doll?
Chaffs have huge AOE and are like instant tho.

Doll sends out a ******* g h o s t that can control and manipulate things with electrical charges, allowing basically body puppetry. Once the ghost makes contact it's instant and you use the doll like a marionette. But with octo+invisible camo combo, getting it off should be not that difficult, especially with a chaff tossed in there as well.
 
is it long range, and whats stopping prime from shooting him before it fires if it aint?
I think so and sigma male stealth + invisibility + chaff

Also I couldn't find anything for the sorrow doll but the psycho mantis doll works basically the same on screaming mantis herself, here's a vid of that
 
Actually, does Optimus have vital organs? How does it work? Can he eventually bleed out if he's hurt too much? His stamina isn't infinite, that much is for sure.
Not voting, but I will clarify as the biology for all Transformers (Cybertronians) is purely mechanical with being granted life by special items like the All Spark, the Creation Matrix, and a few other as it does varies from one continuity to another.

And I think their “blood” in this case is in the form of Energon and as such, I don’t recall cases of them actually bleeding out, but rather than the lack of energon is what weakens them, but I don’t recall them it outright kill them since usually war kills them.

Edit: There is the Spark in a chest of a Cybertronian. You target the spark and you can kill them that way.
 
so he has to get close? so say before he uses it, prime hears footsteps and shoots the ground?
That's what the chaff is for. Also no the dolls shoot a ghost out, it has a decent range on it, not huge, but like, tens of meters from the looks of how Mantis uses them.
 
So, am I flipping a coin or...
I am presenting a new argument. One that, if it goes through, leads to Snake having a very easy wincon against Optimus.
so he has to get close? so say before he uses it, prime hears footsteps and shoots the ground?
No lol, Snake has no difficulty getting right behind hyper-trained supersoldiers with enhanced senses, Optimus isn't just gonna "hear footsteps"
 
YOU ARE THE GUY WHO POSTED THW VIDEO!!! WHY ARE YOU ALL COMING BACK IN DISCUSSING THE RANGE OF THAT THING... Sorry, I'm to lost in this debate at this point
Uh yeah, I am.
What of it? I'm bringing it up because it can combo with the doll? Allowing Snake to safely get it off?
 
Like, the battle start with both at Eye sight of one another, snake can't hide like magic
He has invisibility, he literally can
, them this granade come in debate and we were talking that using It he can hide from optimus
He can use it cause if Optimus is stunned he can just run behind him and hide in some bushes or something idk
 
YOU ARE THE GUY WHO POSTED THW VIDEO!!! WHY ARE YOU ALL COMING BACK IN DISCUSSING THE RANGE OF THAT THING... Sorry, I'm to lost in this debate at this point
Also yeah, that's over 50m, the Hangar is like 6-7 Rex's, and it's like 14m.
Cant OP just dodge the Chaff?
It's like a instant 70-80m AOE around Snake, actually, given the it works at the edge of the hanger, that'd be radius even.
 
I am presenting a new argument. One that, if it goes through, leads to Snake having a very easy wincon against Optimus.

No lol, Snake has no difficulty getting right behind hyper-trained supersoldiers with enhanced senses, Optimus isn't just gonna "hear footsteps"
Are you referring to the EMP effect of the chaff grenade?

If so, in one of the comics set in the Aligned continuity, there was a EMP pulse used by that version of Shockwave against the dinobots and as such, I do believe you are correct in saying it will been a effective counter to say the least.
 
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