4-B MCU OWO???

[AnonymousBlank]

Kinda not true when we know what the Stones can do with their true power and just what it would take to wipe them out.

What says that the Stones’ dura scales to their AP?

You do realize it's from the axe, right? Not from the Snap.

No, no it isn’t. The expression he made when he got hit by the axe is entirely different from the hissing face he made from the snap.

Once again, gamma radiation.

Which you say Thanos scales to because it runs through his body. Why does it kill them but not him when this CRT is trying to scale all of these guys to Thanos.

The Neutron Star feat got nerfed to Low 7-B.

Still shit tons of radiation.

Because Thanos is taking that blast directly into his body, gamma energy included.

Radiation dura negs by default. Why is Thanos not being dura negged when it dura negs him (and Hulk) like a piece of chicken tossed in a microwave?

 

[KLOL506]

What says that the Stones’ dura scales to their AP?

The Stones clearly withstand their own power and need the power of other stones to be completely destroyed.

No, no it isn’t. The expression he made when he got hit by the axe is entirely different from the hissing face he made from the snap.

Fast forward a little bit and go to the point right before Thanos Snaps, where he keeps struggling to take breaths.

Which you say Thanos scales to because it runs through his body. Why does it kill them but not him when this CRT is trying to scale all of these guys to Thanos.

Because they can't withstand the radiation as well as Thanos apparently. But they scale (Mostly Thor and Mjolnir Cap) because they can properly trade blows with Thanos.

Still shit tons of radiation.

Radiation dura negs by default. Why is Thanos not being dura negged when it dura negs him (and Hulk) like a piece of chicken tossed in a microwave?

Point is, it's not being referred to as energy.

 

[ThanatosX]

What says that the Stones’ dura scales to their AP?

The fact that they are able to resist their own energetic output. On top of this, in What If we clearly see them not getting destroyed or even scratched by galactic explosions.

Which you say Thanos scales to because it runs through his body. Why does it kill them but not him when this CRT is trying to scale all of these guys to Thanos.

Because he simply have a better Radiation Resistence then them, which is kinda expected considering who he is.

Still shit tons of radiation.

But far inferior than the Radiation emaneted by the Stones.

Edit: KLOL anticipated me lol. I agree with his points.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The Stones clearly withstand their own power and need the power of other stones to be completely destroyed.

So they both tank their own energy but need the energy from Stones to destroy them ……. you realise how contradictory that is yes? Also Wanda busted the Mind Stone despite it being capable of planetary levels of destruction. Their dura doesn’t scale to their own output.

Fast forward a little bit and go to the point right before Thanos Snaps, where he keeps struggling to take breaths.

And he is panting cuz the odds of a hole in his lung is high af. He wasn’t grimacing in pain before.

Because they can't withstand the radiation as well as Thanos apparently. But they scale (Mostly Thor and Mjolnir Cap) because they can properly trade blows with Thanos.

The guy who got bullied and the guy who only did so well by dropping a combo on Thanos from range and got negged the moment he was in arms reach? I am fine with Stormbreaker scaling but the rest of them all downscale to a hilarious extent.

Point is, it's not being referred to as energy.

??? What?

The fact that they are able to resist their own energetic output. On top of this, in What If we clearly see them not getting destroyed or even scratched by galactic explosions.

Wanda destroyed the Mind Stone. Your entire argument is null and void.

Because he simply have a better Radiation Resistence then them, which is kinda expected considering who he is.

If he has better resistance and you are arguing that he resists part of the figure, how on Earth are you scaling him to the full figure? You don’t scale durability to an attack that you resist. That’s common sense.

 

[KLOL506]

So they both tank their own energy but need the energy from Stones to destroy them ……. you realise how contradictory that is yes? Also Wanda busted the Mind Stone despite it being capable of planetary levels of destruction. Their dura doesn’t scale to their own output.

You also realize that all the stones are of comparable power, yeah?

And he is panting cuz the odds of a hole in his lung is high af. He wasn’t grimacing in pain before.

Oh yeah, getting stabbed in the Stormbreaker and then letting a sream out is totally not grimacing in pain.

The guy who got bullied and the guy who only did so well by dropping a combo on Thanos from range and got negged the moment he has in arms reach? I am fine with Stormbreaker scaling but the rest of them all downscale to a hilarious extent.

You do realize that they're using said weapon's power (Including Mjolnir) to amp their physical selves as well? Without which they couldn't even do a combo to begin with?

??? What?

Like I just pointed out, Hulk explicitly stated "radiation", not "energy".

Wanda destroyed the Mind Stone. Your entire argument is null and void.

Wanda's power originates from the Mind Stone. You're the one with the null-and-void argument.

If he has better resistance and you are arguing that he resists part of the figure, how on Earth are you scaling him to the full figure? You don’t scale durability to an attack that you resist. That’s common sense.

Because once again, Hulk explicitly stated "radiation" not energy.

 

[ThanatosX]

Wanda destroyed the Mind Stone. Your entire argument is null and void.

First of all, don't call an argument null and void. That's extremely rude.
Second, as KLOL said, Wanda was able to destroy the Mind Stone because her own powers comes from it. It's explained in the movie.
And it's not null and void considering that we clearly see the Stones coming out completely unscratched after Ultron takes a 3-B explosion right in his face, where he have the Mind Stone.

If he has better resistance and you are arguing that he resists part of the figure, how on Earth are you scaling him to the full figure? You don’t scale durability to an attack that you resist. That’s common sense.

Because the energetic output of the Snap is 5.2 gigatons regardless of the radiations.

 

[chosen]

Btw is strange shield holding their own against dormamu blast which vaporozated the time stone considerated an outlier or some weird hax he pulled up ?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Btw is strange shield holding their own against dormamu blast which vaporozated the time stone considerated an outlier or some weird hax he pulled up ?

If the Stone was destroyed, it may be an outlier.

 

[RoTt35]

I agree with everything

 

[KLOL506]

If the Stone was destroyed, it may be an outlier.

Dormammu is Low 2-C, the Stone's durability isn't set in stone yet, just that it scales massively above most of the god-tiers.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

You also realize that all the stones are of comparable power, yeah?

Right so you didn’t pay attention to what I typed at all. Wanda destroyed the Mind Stone. How can you tell me the Mind Stone has planetary dura when she destroyed one of them without being planetary? Is Wanda planetary now? Since you wanna push that they have comparable dura to their AP, is Thanos now Tier 5 cuz he was wearing the Power Stone when it was destroyed?

Oh yeah, getting stabbed in the Stormbreaker and then letting a sream out is totally not grimacing in pain.

Nice way to ignore context. After he got hit and screamed, he was only panting from the wound, never grimacing in pain.

You do realize that they're using said weapon's power (Including Mjolnir) to amp their physical selves as well? Without which they couldn't even do a combo to begin with?

Mjolnir has no power besides Thor’s. The same Thor who just got folded like a lawn chair by Thanos.

Like I just pointed out, Hulk explicitly stated "radiation", not "energy".

So radiation somehow isn’t energy? The energy released clearly isn’t a physical shockwave or anything of the sort so weunless you got a scan that says that it emits something else besides radiation, to which the majority is Gamma, this doesn’t scale to physicals when people are arguing Thanos resists the friggin radiation.

Wanda's power originates from the Mind Stone. You're the one with the null-and-void argument.

No. You said that the Stones require their own energy to be destroyed but then scaled their durability to the energy they output, aka their own energy which would destroy them by your own words. How in the **** are you saying that only they have the power to destroy themselves, but also tank said power they output. That shit doesn’t make any sense at all.

Because once again, Hulk explicitly stated "radiation" not energy.

And radiation is energy. What other energy did the Gauntlet release to make up for the 5 gigatons? You got a bit of light, bunch of radiation, some heat, jack shit KE. By all means, do tell what is gonna make up the rest of it.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Chill.

 

[KLOL506]

Right so you didn’t pay attention to what I typed at all. Wanda destroyed the Mind Stone. How can you tell me the Mind Stone has planetary dura when she destroyed one of them without being planetary? Is Wanda planetary now? Since you wanna push that they have comparable dura to their AP, is Thanos now Tier 5 cuz he was wearing the Power Stone when it was destroyed?

She's planetary if she is shown to use her power against celestial objects (As that's how the Power Stone operates). But as she hasn't shown that, so at best she's just unquantifiably higher than Thanos. But of course, Multiverse of Madness might hurl her even higher up the scaling chain.

Nice way to ignore context. After he got hit and screamed, he was only panting from the wound, never grimacing in pain.

He was still panting post-Snap, and after he teleported back to his farm planet, the wound was not in his chest and he was visibly unnerved by his arm getting scarred up (And his slightly scarred neck).

Mjolnir has no power besides Thor’s. The same Thor who just got folded like a lawn chair by Thanos.

The same Thor who then eventually managed to push back Thanos with both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker.

So radiation somehow isn’t energy? The energy released clearly isn’t a physical shockwave or anything of the sort so unless you got a scan that says that it emits something else besides radiation, to which the majority is Gamma, this doesn’t scale to physicals when people are arguing Thanos resists the friggin radiation.

So Thanos threatening to reduce the universe to atoms and Ultron punching through universes with the stones' power turning them into one messy soup isn't evidence? Mind you, the What If Infinity Stones operate in the same exact way as the canon timeline Stones, and they're basically the same thing as shown in Loki where the stones were now nothing more than paperweights taken from other variant timelines.

Also nowhere in the movie is it stated that the blast yield was mainly attributed to the radiation it emits, the radiation is always emitted even when not in use.

No. You said that the Stones require their own energy to be destroyed but then scaled their durability to the energy they output, aka their own energy which would destroy them by your own words. How in the **** are you saying that only they have the power to destroy themselves, but also tank said power they output. That shit doesn’t make any sense at all.

It's basically like "They trade blows with each other and can kill each other should the fight go on long enough". It's not as if it's a one-shot, it requires prolonged contact.

And radiation is energy. What other energy did the Gauntlet release to make up for the 5 gigatons? You got a bit of light, bunch of radiation, some heat, jack shit KE. By all means, do tell what is gonna make up the rest of it.

IDK, snapping people away? Tony stating the stones combined being powerful enough to light up a continent?

There's also being stated to be able to reduce the universe to its last atom, Ultron using them to punch through Universes to turn it all into one messy soup and all that but those are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than 5 gigatons.

 

[Antvasima]

This seems to make sense to me as well.

 

[Antvasima]

I do agree with Thor's storm being environmental destruction and not his own AP.

I went to Thanos' page and didn't find this feat. Can you link it?

Did anybody answer AKM's question above?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Did anybody answer AKM's question above?

Yes. chosen did

0:10 look closely at the globe

 

[KLOL506]

Did anybody answer AKM's question above?

Chosen already did, we just gotta add the screenshot to Thanos's profile.

 

[chosen]

Btw wanted to ask and since this is also an stark thread
Why stark has better lifting strength whne he flies again?
Forget

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. This seems acceptable to apply then, but we should probably wait a bit for @AKM sama .

 

[KLOL506]

Btw wanted to ask and since this is also an stark thread
Why stark has better lifting strength whne he flies again?
Forget

More flight thrust= more pushing power

 

[chosen]

Wait for emirp to reply to 6c strange refutes

 

[chosen]

More flight thrust= more pushing power

Ah Alright

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Okay. This seems acceptable to apply then, but we should probably wait a bit for @AKM sama .

The problems with 6-C strange haven't been answered yet.

 

[Dalesean027]

The problems with 6-C strange haven't been answered yet.

Also aren't there some who think the armors shouldn't have their own pages or are split on that idea. I think at least those two should finished being sorted out then we'd pretty much be done

 

[chosen]

I honestly i agree split isn't necesearry
The hax different is minor asf

 

[KLOL506]

I honestly i agree split isn't unnecesearry
The hax different is minor asf

Yeah, if anything, I remember some of the comments saying to merge the Mark 50 and 85 keys.

Ignore the above point, that's already a thing.

Also with this revision, Marks 6-47 would be turned into one single key since there's like, little to no difference.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

If different marks sharing the same key with some having abilities that others don't within said key is a problem, then a much simpler solution would be to just put [insert ability] ([insert description if necessary;] Mark XYZ and above) or [insert ability] ([insert decscription;] Mark XYZ only]

 

[Antvasima]

The problems with 6-C strange haven't been answered yet.

Okay. Never mind then.

 

[Hellbeast]

We don't really scale Loki to Thor to begin with, plus Loki harming Thor is through weaponry and not physical strength. And there's still their second encounter

ALso wasnt Thor weakened during the first avengers?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

ALso wasnt Thor weakened during the firstborn avengers?

Yes

 

[Hellbeast]

Shouldn't we just be making them Likely 6-C? They fight Thanos well enough (while slightly weaker) and Thor cuts through the Bifrost in one hit to the 10 he needed in the first Thor film (implying a 10X increase)

 

[KLOL506]

Shouldn't we just be making them Likely 6-C? They fight Thanos well enough (while slightly weaker) and Thor cuts through the Bifrost in one hit to the 10 he needed in the first Thor film (implying a 10X increase)

He cut through the Bifrost with Stormbreaker? This I have to see.

 

[KLOL506]

ALso wasnt Thor weakened during the first avengers?

Yeah, he was. Dark Magic weakened him.

 

[Hellbeast]

He cut through the Bifrost with Stormbreaker? This I have to see.

With lightning in Ragnarok, it's on the profile and implies Thor is 10X stronger with his blasts.. Since Ragnarok Thor is< Post Timeskip (Endgame) that should be relevant.

Easily destroyed a portion of the Bifrost Bridge with lightning, which he earlier required 10 hits to destroy

Considering we're seemingly going with him being 400 Megatons for Phase 1 and 2 that implies Raganrok Thor is 4 Gigatons and that Endgame Thor is > 4 Gigatons (which is oddly consistent with Thanos enduring a > 5 Gigaton blast with wounds).

 

[KLOL506]

With lightning in Ragnarok, it's on the profile and implies Thor is 10X stronger with his blasts.. Since Ragnarok Thor is< Post Timeskip (Endgame) that should be relevant.

Considering we're seemingly going with him being 400 Megatons for Phase 1 and 2 that implies Raganrok Thor is 4 Gigatons and that Endgame Thor is > 4 Gigatons (which is oddly consistent with Thanos enduring a > 5 Gigaton blast with wounds)

Found it. Awesome.

 

[Hellbeast]

Like, at that point 6-C flatout is just more consistent for Thor and his ilk

 

[Dalesean027]

With lightning in Ragnarok, it's on the profile and implies Thor is 10X stronger with his blasts.. Since Ragnarok Thor is< Post Timeskip (Endgame) that should be relevant.

Considering we're seemingly going with him being 400 Megatons for Phase 1 and 2 that implies Raganrok Thor is 4 Gigatons and that Endgame Thor is > 4 Gigatons (which is oddly consistent with Thanos enduring a > 5 Gigaton blast with wounds).

Like, at that point 6-C flatout is just more consistent for Thor and his ilk

Definitely Agree

 

[Hellbeast]

Definitely Agree

So I think the "at most 6-C" should be removed accordingly.
Also when was your Avatar so dummy thicc?

 

[Dalesean027]

So I think the "at most 6-C" should be removed accordingly.

That'd work with having what you said supporting the 6-C still and we'd have a more concrete number

Also when was your Avatar so dummy thicc?

When wasn't it

 

[Hellbeast]

That'd work with having what you said supporting the 6-C still and we'd have a more concrete number

Yeah at that point his Rag feat is .3 Gigatons away from baseline 6-C and on top of that

• It's fairly casual
• It's a one shot
• Thor has grown much stronger since then (Endgame and later Love and Thunder based off what we know)

Like it's not a stretch to just make him 6-C at this point.

EDIT: Actually wait a minute, converting the joules for the Sokivia feat = 463 Megatons so he's just be baseline for the Bifrost bust in Ragnarok right?
Since that'd be 4.6 Gigatons and even more ******* consistent with Thanos. So yeah he should just be 6-C

When wasn't it

Don't tempt me smh