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Quick question, is base gogeta stronger than ssb goku and vegeta or nah?
We are not 100% sure, because when Goku and Vegeta went SSJB against SSJ Broly, they already used a lot of stamina prior to the battle, while Gogeta was fully recovered. I’d say maybe they’re equal?🤷‍♂️ Gogeta in base didn’t fight for that long against Broly, so if he used more stamina, I’m guessing the outcome would be the same
 
Quick question, is base gogeta stronger than ssb goku and vegeta or nah?
Currently, the base gogeta is stronger than the maximum states of Goku and Vegeta (Excluding UI)... That is the nature of the fusion, that the individual in the base state is stronger than the maximum power of those who merged.
 
Hmm, well it should work just like vegito
The base is stronger than their strongest form or else it would be normal
 
Currently, the base gogeta is stronger than the maximum states of Goku and Vegeta... That is the nature of the fusion, that the individual in the base state is stronger than the maximum power of those who merged.
No way, there was a versus thread a while back of Vegeta SSJBE against base Gogeta, and most agreed Vegeta would win, which would mean base Gogeta doesn’t stand a chance against UI Goku

I’d say fusion is inferior to SSJG and superior to SSJ3, since Goku in BoG said that he and Vegeta could fuse, but he didn’t think that would give him a chance against Beerus
 
We are not 100% sure, because when Goku and Vegeta went SSJB against SSJ Broly, they already used a lot of stamina prior to the battle, while Gogeta was fully recovered. I’d say maybe they’re equal?🤷‍♂️ Gogeta in base didn’t fight for that long against Broly, so if he used more stamina, I’m guessing the outcome would be the same
Well yes, but they got plenty exhausted on T.O.P yet still kept going, and they were, and broly too getting stronger while the battle continues
It would actually mean they were stronger not weaker
 
No way, there was a versus thread a while back of Vegeta SSJBE against base Gogeta, and most agreed Vegeta would win, which would mean base Gogeta doesn’t stand a chance against UI Goku
It doesn't make any sense tho
Base gogeta could blocked brolys ki blast effortlessly when vegeta and goku had to run away.
The base form of a fusion is always stronger than their strongest form
 
If they really knew the nature of the fusion they would know that the base form of gogeta or vegito is stronger than the SSB of goku or vegeta, and that we are talking about gogeta from the broly movie, that goku and vegeta were stronger than in the power tournament.
 
Okay, so the ratings would be

2-C for UI Goku, BUW Jiren and SSJB Gogeta

At least Low 2-C for UIO3 Goku, FP Jiren and FPSSJ Broly

I’m still a bit iffy on UIO3 Goku and FP Jiren getting likely/possibly 2-C ratings, because they are only stronger than the GoDs, but nothing that says they stomp like the full 2-Cs
sign goku jiren and broly are a good bit above half low 2-C, basically beerus > some GoDs = half low 2-C, and beerus should be able to beat those gods definitively, then same with belmod against beerus and same with jiren against belmod so it's a big gap that's why the "possibly" fits IMO.
Quick question, is base gogeta stronger than ssb goku and vegeta or nah?
He appears to be stronger but there's a contradiction, SSJ gogeta = SSJ broly so base gogeta must = base broly. and SSB Goku or vegeta < Broly but > Base broly. With this we can conclude that base gogeta < Blue goku or vegeta.
 
Actually broly went from base goku level to quickly stomping on both ssb goku and vegeta in under an hour.
Then he fought for another four with frieza "fought is the wrong word, he basically cucked him infront of his dead father's body"
But even then it would mean
Ssj broly after frieza > ssj broly pre frieza
 
sign goku jiren and broly are a good bit above half low 2-C, basically beerus > some GoDs = half low 2-C, and beerus should be able to beat those gods definitively, then same with belmod against beerus and same with jiren against belmod so it's a big gap that's why the "possibly" fits IMO.
But the 2-C is only there because of stomps, and not because of scaling chains. They aren’t stomp gaps, they are just superiority gaps. If this was a scaling chain without any stomps, then it’s still just At least Low 2-C
 
It was easily noticed that Gogeta in base state was able to dodge and half-play with Broly's attacks without any nervousness, but obviously it was not enough so he passed to the SSJ, and from there it was clearly noticed the superiority... Something that neither goku nor vegeta in SSB could do.
 
That reminds me of Vegito in the Buu saga, in the anime they showed base vegito humiliating Majin Buu, which is just filler because in the manga vegito became SSJ at once because in base state it would not be enough, although in the case of gogeta it was seen that he had a slight advantage in base state but it was not enough and he became SSJ. goku and vegeta did not show that simplicity against SSJ Broly that gogeta showed in base state.
 
Base goku and vegeta in the movie broly are stronger than thier counterpsrt in T.O.P
Broly stomped ssb goky and vegeta or more accurately, evolved from being a good warm up for base vegeta to basically making goku and vegeta run away from him in under a half hour or something like that.
Then he fought frieza for an hour and a half "someone should check the time".
But the timeframe of his battle or stomping with frieza was longer than his battle with goku and vegeta, which mean broly after frieza fight was stronger than himself after goku and vegeta fight for a unknown margin.
So broly ssj post frieza fight > broly ssj pre frieza fight.
 
It was easily noticed that Gogeta in base state was able to dodge and half-play with Broly's attacks without any nervousness, but obviously it was not enough so he passed to the SSJ, and from there it was clearly noticed the superiority... Something that neither goku nor vegeta in SSB could do.
SSJB Goku and Vegeta already used a lot of energy fighting and transforming, along with the transformations being draining, while base Gogeta was fully recovered, not tired, and not using a draining form
 
Actually broly went from base goku level to quickly stomping on both ssb goku and vegeta in under an hour.
Then he fought for another four with frieza "fought is the wrong word, he basically cucked him infront of his dead father's body"
But even then it would mean
Ssj broly after frieza > ssj broly pre frieza
Hmm you're probably right then base gogeta seems to be stronger. But how is this relevant to the current discussion?
 
But the 2-C is only there because of stomps, and not because of scaling chains. They aren’t stomp gaps, they are just superiority gaps. If this was a scaling chain without any stomps, then it’s still just At least Low 2-C
Well the gaps are big enough IMO to give a "possibly" but not a likely because the evidence is limited but the gaps are big.
 
frieza of the movie is superior to Goku and vegeta SSB, since he managed to fight hand to hand against SSJ broly I do not remember exactly for how long, something that neither goku and vegeta managed .... Gogeta base was able to hold Broly SSJ for a short period of time without problems, but it was not enough to become SSJ thus overcoming him.
 
SSJB Goku and Vegeta already used a lot of energy fighting and transforming, along with the transformations being draining, while base Gogeta was fully recovered, not tired, and not using a draining form
Ssb stoped draining after the tournament I think
And goku and vegeta while fighting broly in their ssb state would be stronger than their ssb state before fighting him
Broly isn't the only one who got stronger
 
sign goku jiren and broly are a good bit above half low 2-C, basically beerus > some GoDs = half low 2-C, and beerus should be able to beat those gods definitively, then same with belmod against beerus and same with jiren against belmod so it's a big gap that's why the "possibly" fits IMO.

He appears to be stronger but there's a contradiction, SSJ gogeta = SSJ broly so base gogeta must = base broly. and SSB Goku or vegeta < Broly but > Base broly. With this we can conclude that base gogeta < Blue goku or vegeta.
This is as if SSB gogeta = broly, which is a lie since SSB gogeta humiliated broly without problems, he practically played with him.
 
Base Gogeta was stomped by SSJ Broly.
Gogeta was shown against the reins? No, in fact it was seen that he was playing, but obviously the base state was not enough for him to face broly, that's why he became SSJ.
 
Base gogeta would be either
=/>> ssb goku and vegeta
=/> ssbkk20 goku and ssbe vegeta
=/> mui goku and ssbe vegeta
 
Gogeta was shown against the reins? No, in fact it was seen that he was playing, but obviously the base state was not enough for him to face broly, that's why he became SSJ.
Base gogeta would either lose by a long long fight with ssj broly or stalemate him
But there he can win since he is smarter and has more moves, but that's a small chance
 
Actually the description of the fusion, is that the individual born from the merger of the 2 persons, in base state will always be stronger than the maximum power of the 2 merged individuals.
 
Ah yes because the statement from someone obviously defeating the person who is stated to be stronger than the gods of destruction, specifically stated to be stronger than the god of destruction who is stronger than beerus isn't reliable at all.
So defeating beerus in arm wrestling scales belmod above him? And when was jiren stated to be above gods of destructions?
 
....whis stated the belmod is stronger than beerus, jiren is stronger than belmod.
Jiren stated to be multiple times above his own god of destruction, and even some statement saying he is above the gods
So defeating beerus in arm wrestling scales belmod above him? And when was jiren stated to be above gods of destructions?
 
What do you mean? He was running away from SSJ Broly while acting cool. Upon transforming into SSJ, he was still instantly pushed back by SSJ Broly with a single punch, how can his base form scale to SSJ Broly? He was literally stomped in his base state considering even in his SSJ he was still knocked back.
 
Base gogeta would either lose by a long long fight with ssj broly or stalemate him
But there he can win since he is smarter and has more moves, but that's a small chance
Base gogeta is inferior to SSJ Broly, but not by such a big difference as goku and vegeta, that's why gogeta was clearly seen to goku and vegeta when he fought with SSJ broly, but then he passed to SSJ because it would not be enough in base.Base gogeta is inferior to SSJ Broly, but not by such a big difference as goku and vegeta, that's why gogeta was clearly seen to goku and vegeta when he fought with SSJ broly, but then he passed to SSJ because it would not be enough in base.
 
Base gogeta is inferior to SSJ Broly, but not by such a big difference as goku and vegeta, that's why gogeta was clearly seen to goku and vegeta when he fought with SSJ broly, but then he passed to SSJ because it would not be enough in base.Base gogeta is inferior to SSJ Broly, but not by such a big difference as goku and vegeta, that's why gogeta was clearly seen to goku and vegeta when he fought with SSJ broly, but then he passed to SSJ because it would not be enough in base.
I agree, he is inferior but by a small margin.
He could either lose after a long hard fight or stalemate broly.
Something goku and vegeta would never hope to achieve
 
....whis stated the belmod is stronger than beerus, jiren is stronger than belmod.
Jiren stated to be multiple times above his own god of destruction, and even some statement saying he is above the gods

Stop removing context from what whis was talking about...He was only judging based on the fact beerus lost to belmod in an arm wrestling
 
Guys, I think we are getting off topic, this is about a 2-C upgrade. UIO3 Goku, FP Jiren and FPSSJ Broly are fine, no changes needed. UI Goku, BUW Jiren and SSJB Gogeta are 2-C
 
....whis stated the belmod is stronger than beerus, jiren is stronger than belmod.
Jiren stated to be multiple times above his own god of destruction, and even some statement saying he is above the gods
The fact belmod couldnt even land a punch on beerus in a combat lool??

Whis only said that based on the arm wrestling
 
Stop removing context from what whis was talking about...He was only judging based on the fact beerus lost to belmod in an arm wrestling
Oh, would you mind giving me such statement?
And even if we discarded that statement, jiren is stated multiple times to be above his own god of destruction, be it the level of gods of destruction and even surpassing such level
 
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