Low 2-Cs who became 2-A: Alien X vs Infinity Ultron (0-5-8)

[RoTt35]

Alien X vs Infinity Ultron​

This match had already been done before but it never came to a conclusion by question of fate, now their paths have crossed again and now they are both 2-A

Match Rules: Speed is equalized, Ultron has the six Infinity Stones, both are in-character and the battle takes place at space

Alien X:

Infinity Ultron: 5 (@Pokemonfan807, @Dragonite007, @jojo123, @Ottavio_Merluzzo, @Emirp sumitpo)

Inconclusive: 8 (@Doggo, @ThanatosX, @Reiner, @ImmortalDread, @Tatsumi504, @omegabronic, @RoTt35, @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer)

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Alien X vs Infinity Ultron​

This match had already been done before but it never came to a conclusion by question of fate, now their paths have crossed again and now they are both 2-A

Match Rules: Speed is equalized, Ultron has the six Infinity Stones, both are in-character and the battle takes place at space

Alien X:

Infinity Ultron:

Inconclusive:

Even if you speed equalize you can’t equalize attack speed

Alien x can’t resist time stop and Infinity ultron resists most of his abilities. (Reality warping/space time manipulation) mind and biological hax won’t work either due to inorganic physiology

only chance is for alien x to erase him or use black holes But he has portal creation and dimension travel (ultron)


it’s either a stomp or a decisive victory for ultron

 

[ZeedKZ]

Even if you speed equalize you can’t equalize attack speed

SBA assume that attack and combat speed are also equal.

The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

SBA assume that attack and combat speed are also equal.

I thought only combat and reaction not attack

but even if we do that ultron pretty much resists most of alien X’s attacks

 

[Doggo]

I thought only combat and reaction not attack

but even if we do that ultron pretty much resists most of alien X’s attacks

does he resist existence erasure?

 

[ThanatosX]

One thing that might be important to notice is that Infinity Ultron have a notable AP advantage. From what I can understand, Alien X is baseline 2-A, while Infinity Ultron is infinite^infinite ad infinitum times above baseline, so if X goes physical he will have no chances. Might not be that important, but I think it was worth mentioning.
Anyways, for now I am leaning towards Infinity Ultron considering the only thing that Alien X have that might defeat Ultron is EE, but I don't remember him ever using it as a starting move.

 

[Doggo]

Infinity ultron fra

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Infinity ultron fra

 

[Dragonite007]

Infinity Ultron fra

 

[Doggo]

show this to a Ben 10 fan and watch

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I believe Ultron obliterates

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I just wanted to point out that multiple 2-A multiverses do not grant you above baseline 2-A AP and/or range unless the verse treats it as such.

 

[ThanatosX]

I just wanted to point out that multiple 2-A multiverses do not grant you above baseline 2-A AP and/or range unless the verse treats it as such.

The Cosmology is explained in this blog, was accepted as above baseline in this revision and Infinity Ultron was accepted to scale to the cosmology in this one.
They don't scale to multiple 2-A structure, but to an infinite ad infinitum number. Each Timeline is a 2-A structure for containing an infinite amount of realities, with an infinite amount of Timelines and with each choice that form a new Timeline.
To put it into perspective, Alien X would be able to destroy a single Timeline, while Infinity Ultron is able to destroy an infinite ad infinitum amount.

 

[jojo123]

Infinity Ultron FRA

 

[Purgy]

Seems kinda stompish

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Seems kinda stompish

Maybe a decisive victory cause I don’t see ultron resisting EE

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

The Cosmology is explained in this blog, was accepted as above baseline in this revision and Infinity Ultron was accepted to scale to the cosmology in this one.
They don't scale to multiple 2-A structure, but to an infinite ad infinitum number. Each Timeline is a 2-A structure for containing an infinite amount of realities, with an infinite amount of Timelines and with each choice that form a new Timeline.
To put it into perspective, Alien X would be able to destroy a single Timeline, while Infinity Ultron is able to destroy an infinite ad infinitum amount.

That alone isn't enough.

I understand what you're saying : the cosmology is massive.

But for it to be relevant to AP, the destruction of multiple 2-A multiverses needs to be treated a superior to the destruction of a single one, in verse.

Otherwise it's just baseline 2-A.

This thread seems stompish regardless of this, though.

 

[RoTt35]

The cosmology was accepted above baseline 2-A by staff

 

[ThanatosX]

That alone isn't enough.

I understand what you're saying,but for it to be relevant to AP, the destruction of multiple 2-A multiverses needs to be treated a superior to the destruction of a single one, in verse.

Otherwise it's just baseline 2-A.

This thread seems stompish regardless of this, though.

Unfortuntely, there is a lot of confusion about what is above baseline 2-A, but the MCU cosmology is indeed above baseline. It was accepted as such in that thread that I linked in the previous post (as already pointed out by RoTt35), and on top of this immediately after the revision of the Standards for 2-A I made a question about that, and the response was that it was indeed above baseline. Also, Timelines are indeed considered as superior, considering that there the Sorcerers, able to travel between the infinite realities, are unable to travel to other Timelines and are schocked when they find out someone is able to do so. On top of this, the destruction of a Timeline is always treated as a big deal compared to the destruction of a single reality, and there are multiple other examples that I could bring up but I will leave it here considering that this is an argument for a CRT rather than a match.
Anyways, the match is not a stomp considering that Alien X have a wincon in the form of EE, he just wont use it before being defeated. Considering there seems to be no arguments in favor of Alien X, I will vote for Infinity Ultron.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Unfortuntely, there is a lot of confusion about what is above baseline 2-A, but the MCU cosmology is indeed above baseline. It was accepted as such in that thread that I linked in the previous post (as already pointed out by RoTt35), and on top of this immediately after the revision of the Standards for 2-A I made a question about that, and the response was that it was indeed above baseline. Also, Timelines are indeed considered as superior, considering that there the Sorcerers, able to travel between the infinite realities, are unable to travel to other Timelines and are schocked when they find out someone is able to do so. On top of this, the destruction of a Timeline is always treated as a big deal compared to the destruction of a single reality, and there are multiple other examples that I could bring up but I will leave it here considering that this is an argument for a CRT rather than a match.
Anyways, the match is not a stomp considering that Alien X have a wincon in the form of EE, he just wont use it before being defeated. Considering there seems to be no arguments in favor of Alien X, I will vote for Infinity Ultron.

Agreed, this is Ultima stuff.

I apologize for the derailment.

If this is not a stomp, i vote for Infinity Ultron FRA.

 

[RoTt35]

Well, Ultron FRA and that's grace

 

[Sniper670]

Infinity Ultron vs Arceus valid?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ultron Fra.

 

[Quantu]

Infinity Ultron vs Arceus valid?

Infinity Ultron lost to DBS SSB Goku when he was Low 2-C, unless he got a massive hax boost as well, Arceus destroys him.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Infinity Ultron lost to DBS SSB Goku when he was Low 2-C, unless he got a massive hax boost as well, Arceus destroys him.

That was mainly due to the fact Ultron doesn't open with hax and Goku had a massive AP advantage

 

[Quantu]

That was mainly due to the fact Ultron doesn't open with hax and Goku had a massive AP advantage

I mean, the reasoning to explain the loss, regardless of why it happened, would still apply to Arceus (who's plates negate like 99% of the Wiki's abilities.)

 

[Sniper670]

Ultron does have vastly superior AP advantage

 

[Reiner04]

Alien X is also above baseline 2A for those who still don't know.
Even a single universe in Ben 10 is 2A and that is just one timeline and there are infinite amount of timelines and so infinite number of universes.
(Infinite*infinite) and that is just positive matter multiverse, while there is anti matter timeline that is not alternate and has its own multiverse. I don't know about infinity Ultron but I don't think he has any kind of AP advantage here.

 

[ImmortalDread]

There is no AP advantage here.

 

[Doggo]

huh so back to square one?

 

[Reiner04]

huh so back to square one?

Ig, as if AP advantage was being used till now then there is non. Alien X also scales to current accepted cosmology of ben 10 that is infinite*infinite 2A structures. except naljians 26D as they're not known that much

 

[Doggo]

Ig, as if AP advantage was being used till now then there is non. Alien X also scales to current accepted cosmology of ben 10 that is infinite*infinite 2A structures. except naljians 26D as they're not known that much

It's a matter hax then

 

[Reiner04]

So what would be Ultron wincon?

 

[Doggo]

So what would be Ultron wincon?

idk

 

[ThanatosX]

So what would be Ultron wincon?

Reality warping punches that rewrites reality at his liking and Time Stop.

 

[Doggo]

This seems like a incon imo, both lack resistance lmao

 

[Reiner04]

Reality warping punches that rewrites reality at his liking and Time Stop.

Reality wrapping thought seems more advantageous imo.

 

[Sniper670]

Reality warping punches that rewrites reality at his liking and Time Stop.

Thought based Reality Warping is obviously the first to reach.

Now we move to potency

 

[Reiner04]

Alien x has 2A r reality wrapping

 

[ThanatosX]

Reality wrapping thought seems more advantageous imo.

It was already brought up that Infinity Ultron resists reality warping.