Infinity Ultron (MCU) vs Doomguy (DOOM)

[Colonel_Krukov]

*Standard battle assumptions
*Speed Equalised
*Both Low 1-C
*They start 10 metres apart

Infinity Ultron: 2 (RoTt35,ThanatosX)

Doomguy: 0 ()

Inconclusive: 0 ()

Not sure if this works, but seemed too cool not to try at least.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Bump

 

[koopa3144]

Could Doomguy use to VEGA hack into Infinity Ultron?

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

That is a good question. Both seem to be extremely powerful in terms of hacking capabilities

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Actually, Ultron does have the weakness of being hacked by Arnim Zola, but it required a direct interface connection, as Black Widow iirc had to shoot a specialised arrow into Ultron to make it work.

 

[koopa3144]

Well aside from the hacking, I'm pretty sure Doomguy resists most of the Gauntlet's insta win stuff but he doesn't resist Bio manip, Deconstruction and Matter Manipulation which might prove detrimental.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

How strong are Doomguy and Ultron, like are they 5D or 6D? Just making sure they don't AP stomp each other.

Well aside from the hacking, I'm pretty sure Doomguy resists most of the Gauntlet's insta win stuff but he doesn't resist Bio manip, Deconstruction and Matter Manipulation which might prove detrimental.

IIRC Ultron doesn't really use those in character he really just makes energy blasts or stops/slows time if he's overwhelmed which isn't actually resisted by Doomguy unless I missed it

 

[azontr]

Could Doomguy use to VEGA hack into Infinity Ultron?

Assuming this is Ancient Gods Slayer he no longer has access to Vega. It's been replaced by The Father.

 

[koopa3144]

Oh yeah i forgor

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Wouldn't being Immeasurable allow Doomguy to move in time stop? (I know speed is equalised but iirc from the rules, he should retain abilities granted by said speed)

 

[RoTt35]

IIRC Ultron doesn't really use those in character he really just makes energy blasts or stops/slows time if he's overwhelmed which isn't actually resisted by Doomguy unless I missed it

Ultron starts with energy beams from the Power Stone, which can atomize their target, so deconstruction. And Infinity Ultron has 5D AP with 4D hax btw

 

[RoTt35]

Wouldn't being Immeasurable allow Doomguy to move in time stop? (I know speed is equalised but iirc from the rules, he should retain abilities granted by said speed)

The Versus Thread Rules page states this:

While time stop, which could be viewed as an infinite speed amplification, is assumed to work even on characters that would usually bypass it via speed, those matches can likewise not be added.

So if Ultron wins just because of his Time Stop then the match would be invalid, but he doesn't start with that

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Bump

 

[koopa3144]

Ultron starts with energy beams from the Power Stone, which can atomize their target, so deconstruction.

How fast is the deconstruction, does it instantly atomize on hit?

 

[RoTt35]

How fast is the deconstruction, does it instantly atomize on hit?

Sometimes the Power Stone destroys almost instantly, sometimes it takes a few seconds, so I don't know exactly

 

[koopa3144]

Sometimes the Power Stone destroys almost instantly, sometimes it takes a few seconds, so I don't know exactly

Well DG doesn't resist decon so he's pretty screwed if he gets hit by the Power stone beams, though he should be able to avoid the beams due to the large SBA distance.

 

[RoTt35]

Well DG doesn't resist decon so he's pretty screwed if he gets hit by the Power stone beams, though he should be able to avoid the beams due to the large SBA distance.

Ultron also uses AoE attacks which can cover entire planets, solar systems and even galaxies, so that isn't problem for him

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

What's the likelihood of Ultron using his Deconstruction over some other ability?

Its been a while since I've seen the episodes with Ultron, but from what I can remember, he just seems to pull out abilities willy nilly. Maybe there is some set of preferred abilities that I am not recalling here.

 

[RoTt35]

What's the likelihood of Ultron using his Deconstruction over some other ability?

Ultron starts with energy attacks, mainly from the Power Stone which can atomize its target, he can also use AoE attacks caused by the six Infinity Stones, including the Power Stone, so almost all of his energy attacks are deconstruction

 

[koopa3144]

Ngl the distance should be lowered to like 10-20 meters cause right now it's 4 kilometers due to SBA which gives Ultron a big advantage due to only a few of DG weapons having Kilometers of range iirc.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Of course. Not surprised by that at all because the haxless Doom Slayer is constantly being put up against hax gods that he can't really respond to.

 

[koopa3144]

Of course. Not surprised by that at all because the haxless Doom Slayer is constantly being put up against hax gods that he can't really respond to.

Sadly true, the only thing he has is Fate Manipulation and Probability Manipulation which tragically invalidates almost all non Ancient God key matches.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Ngl the distance should be lowered to like 10-20 meters cause right now it's 4 kilometers due to SBA which gives Ultron a big advantage due to only a few of DG weapons having Kilometers of range iirc.

I've added the changes

 

[RoTt35]

At short distances Ultron also uses his energy or AoE attacks

 

[koopa3144]

With the lower range DG should be able to close the distance by hooking into Ultron with the meat hook. DG can also use the Plasma Rifle's Microwave Beam to paralyze him and fill him with plasma until he explodes.

 

[RoTt35]

With the lower range DG should be able to close the distance by hooking into Ultron with the meat hook.

Ultron has higher LS than DG, so he can easily break free from that

DG can also use the Plasma Rifle's Microwave Beam to paralyze him and fill him with plasma until he explodes.

Ultron can absorb energy, and he is powered by the Infinity Stones, each one has infinite/unlimited power, so I highly doubt Ultron is going to be overloaded by that

 

[koopa3144]

Ultron has higher LS than DG, so he can easily break free from that

I don't see how LS is gonna prevent DG from hooking onto him. The Meat Hook doesn't restrain targets, it more so latches onto them and quickly pulls the user towards the target.

Ultron can absorb energy, and he is powered by the Infinity Stones, each one has infinite/unlimited power, so I highly doubt Ultron is going to be overloaded by that

I won't say that superheated plasma is in the exact same boat as regular energy, and I'm pretty sure Ultron would specifically need plasma absorption to absorb DG's plasma.

 

[RoTt35]

The Meat Hook doesn't restrain targets, it more so latches onto them and quickly pulls the user towards the target.

Ah, I don't think getting close to Ultron is a good idea, it would make him an easier target for his energy attacks or he can also use an AoE attack at close range like he did with Captain Marvel, and in melee he would have an advantage considering his punches can warp reality and space-time

I won't say that superheated plasma is in the exact same boat as regular energy, and I'm pretty sure Ultron would specifically need plasma absorption to absorb DG's plasma.

According to its page, plasma is associated to lightning, which is from where Ultron gets his energy absorption. And I reiterate, I doubt that you could overload someone who is powered by six sources of infinite/unlimited power

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Doomguy has his own weird passive reality warping from his profile, that turns the location he's in into an arena filled with powerups and ammo. Don't think interacting with the physical world to change his appearance really does much though.

I'm guessing Ultron resists his fate hax? Not sure if resists probability hax, but maybe as the two are linked. Although Doomguy also has Immortality which could potentially be an issue.

 

[koopa3144]

Ah, I don't think getting close to Ultron is a good idea, it would make him an easier target for his energy attacks or he can also use an AoE attack at close range like he did with Captain Marvel, and in melee he would have an advantage considering his punches can warp reality and space-time

Fair although DG is the better CQC fighter due to his billions of years ravaging hell and berserk fighting style which he uses to quickly and efficiently finish off foes. DG can do something similar to Ult's punches, DG passively warps reality and can change the battlefield to whatever he wants it to be.

According to its page, plasma is associated to lightning, which is from where Ultron gets his energy absorption. And I reiterate, I doubt that you could overload someone who is powered by six sources of infinite/unlimited power

Fair.

I'm guessing Ultron resists his fate hax? Not sure if resists probability hax, but maybe as the two are linked. Although Doomguy also has Immortality which could potentially be an issue.

DG loses his fate and prob hax in this key iirc.

 

[RoTt35]

Fair although DG is the better CQC fighter due to his billions of years ravaging hell and berserk fighting style which he uses to quickly and efficiently finish off foes.

Yes, but to get into melee DG will have to dodge his energy attacks, and I don't think he can do it with an AoE that covers astronomical ranges, plus Ultron can also use TK to restrain and punch him easily, like he did with The Watcher

DG can do something similar to Ult's punches, DG passively warps reality and can change the battlefield to whatever he wants it to be.

The difference is that Ultron resists RW, unlike DG

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

DG loses his fate and prob hax in this key iirc.

Doesn't mention any loses of powers on his profile.

Immortality (Types 1 and 8; Inherited from Davoth through the Divinity Machine, Due to the eternal struggle between good and evil, there will always be demons and the Slayer, to the demons, he always has come, and always will. Due to the Slayer's divine connections to Davoth from the Divinity Machine, the Slayer finally fell after he defeated Davoth and dispelled all his demons.)

So, it looks like he only dies after Davoth and all of his demons are defeated.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Bump

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I totally forgot about this thread

 

[RoTt35]

According to what was discussed in this thread, Doomguy's immortality/fate hax isn't combat applicable, so I'm going to vote for Infinity Ultron for starting with energy and AoE attacks that will atomize DS, who has no resistance against that

 

[DrakerX]

Interesting match up, I wanted to make it ever since Ultron was upgraded to Low 1-C.
So, first of all, after the new revision now Infinity Ultron scales far higher in AP, which gives him the advantage on that, and his blasts as mentioned before can atomize the target easily. This gives Ultron a huge advantage in a fight since both his physical and his ranged attacks will kill the Doomguy.
On top of this, he also can use other powerful haxes if he loses control of the situation, and Doomguy doesn't seem to resist many of those.
Doomguy definitely have the skill advantage since he is a far more expirienced fighter that took head on armies of Demons alone, and this will allow him to avoid many attacks and possibly even hit Ultron a couple of times. This, along side the powerups, might give him some chances in the beginning, but the moment Infinity Ultron decide to use his huge AoE, which are at least planetary up to galactic in range, he will have no chances of avoiding and he will be destroyed.
Now, regarding the Fate Hax, it have it's limitations. It allows Doomguy to "eventually" come back, but he can still be reduced in a condition in which he can't do anything and he can be incapped. If he is atomized or even if his physical body is destroyed by AP, he wont be able to continue fighting since he doesn't have the regeneration necessary to back that up, and even if we want to say that he will be able to "eventually" come back thanks to Fate Hax, the time frame will be very long, longer than the 24h required for Infinity Ultron to win the match.
Overall, Doomguy have a huge skill advantage, which however is not enough to overcome the many advantages Infinity Ultron have overall. So, I will vote Infinity Ultron.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Assuming this is Ancient Gods Slayer he no longer has access to Vega. It's been replaced by The Father.

It's still VEGA, it's just The Father's consciousness. It should still have all the capabilities of VEGA.

According to what was discussed in this thread, Doomguy's immortality/fate hax isn't combat applicable, so I'm going to vote for Infinity Ultron for starting with energy and AoE attacks that will atomize DS, who has no resistance against that

I'm going to assume by Immortality, you mean the immortality that comes with the fate hax. If so, then you're right.

Fair although DG is the better CQC fighter due to his billions of years ravaging hell and berserk fighting style which he uses to quickly and efficiently finish off foes. DG can do something similar to Ult's punches, DG passively warps reality and can change the battlefield to whatever he wants it to be.

This reality warping only makes the battlefield into something like an Arena that DS would be comfortable fighting in. And changes his own appearance.

DG loses his fate and prob hax in this key iirc.

He does not. He would only lose them after Davoth dies, we're just using TAG, so it's Pre-Davoth death Doomguy.

 

[Axxtentacle]

The Slayer's fate hax just means he'll eventually win, basically. So if Ultron can kill him or put him out of commission long enough, it can count as an Incapacitation win.

It would depend on what's in character for Ultron.

 

[RoTt35]

The Slayer's fate hax just means he'll eventually win, basically. So if Ultron can kill him or put him out of commission long enough, it can count as an Incapacitation win.

It would depend on what's in character for Ultron.

Ultron starts with energy and AoE attacks that can atomize their target

 

[Axxtentacle]

And you're saying Slayer should be able to dodge for a while to have a chance? Cause if not, it seems like a mismatch.