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Infinity Ultron (MCU) vs Darkrai (Pokemon) - 7/0/0 (Grace)

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I wanted to make a Infinity Ultron vs Pokemon match-up, but obviously characters like Arceus, Palkia, Dialga and Giratina completely stomps him, so maybe this battle can be more interesting.

Infinity Ultron have all of the Infinity Stones.

Darkrai's 2-A key is used.

SBA is applied and speed is equalized.

Who wins?

Infinity Ultron (MCU): 7 (King_Clab, LeoEpicGamer8910, jojo123, sanicpoopyyork, Marvel_Future_Fight_Gamer, ShadowWarrior1999, ThanatosX)

Darkrai (Pokemon):

Inconclusive:
 
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So what's stopping Darkrai from just using Darkvoid on him and putting Ultron to sleep? It's not like the Sleep effect only works on organic beings, it works things that are 100% mechanical or Inorganic like Magearna, the Klink evolution line and Cryogonal.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
So what's stopping Darkrai from just using Darkvoid on him and putting Ultron to sleep? It's not like the Sleep effect only works on organic beings, it works things that are 100% mechanical or Inorganic like Magearna, the Klink evolution line and Cryogonal.
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Too bad, I thought it only worked on organic beings or Inorganic Physiology Type 1 at best. I suppose that it's his first move, so Infinity Ultron's AP advantage wont really help in here either. Then this is probably a stomp.
 
Peppypony said:
Out of pure curiosity, how fast is Dark Void and what is the evidence of it being that fast?
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In the anime and sometimes the manga it’s displayed as a sphere that Darkrai fires and once it hits, the opponent’s effectively trapped; Darkrai’s speed key is at least MFTL+, likely Infinite so I guess you could say about that fast. Other times in the manga, Dark Void is portrayed as passive, and works as long as someone is in the vicinity of Darkrai so in that case even faster.
 
SakGintoki said:
In the anime and sometimes the manga it’s displayed as a sphere that Darkrai fires and once it hits, the opponent’s effectively trapped; Darkrai’s speed key is at least MFTL+, likely Infinite so I guess you could say about that fast. Other times in the manga, Dark Void is portrayed as passive, and works as long as someone is in the vicinity of Darkrai so in that case even faster.
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Which one do we go with then? From what I’ve seen on other threads, we seem to assume it’s thought-based?
 
Peppypony said:
Which one do we go with then? From what I’ve seen on other threads, we seem to assume it’s thought-based?
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That's wrong

Even in the games, it's more of a wave/portal that spawns below an opponent. Ultron should be 100% capable of dodging it. However, that's not the only way for Darkrai to put someone to sleep, as he can use hypnosis (which also affect non organic/mindless targets), which is bit more difficult to dodge (though is a bit slower than dark void, as it requires Ultron to see Darkrai and for him to move his hands/send psychic waves)
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
That's wrong

Even in the games, it's more of a wave/portal that spawns below an opponent. Ultron should be 100% capable of dodging it. However, that's not the only way for Darkrai to put someone to sleep, as he can use hypnosis (which also affect non organic/mindless targets), which is bit more difficult to dodge (though is a bit slower than dark void, as it requires Ultron to see Darkrai and for him to move his hands/send psychic waves)
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Not sure what you mean by that’s wrong. Nobody ever mentioned the games and that is how it’s portrayed in the anime and manga, which are canon.
 
I personally have no opinion on the match itself, specially since I've never seen What-If (nor am I planning to).

But Dark Void is not thought based. It consistently has an activation time that can make someone able to dodge (which even in the movie, Licky-Licky shows said case), whether launched as a sphere, or as a wave. (And again, he still has another option, though he would definitely start with Dark Void)

Whether that levels the playing field for Ultron or not, shrugs.
 
If it isn’t thought based then that would mean their match against Demigra would have to be removed then right? Because I believe that’s why the match was inconclusive.
 
SakGintoki said:
Okay, that’s true, except in some manga depictions where it is thought-based. But yes the most common portrayal is firing off spheres. I’m pretty sure IU doesn’t have the speed to avoid Darkrai’s attacks anyway.
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I haven't seen a single portrayal of it being thought based. Even on Pkmn Adventures, it shows the targets being enveloped by darkness.
 
Why is Darkrai even 2-A? Seems like typical Pokémon's wank, and really? I thought that we weren't merging games with anime or/and manga anymore?
 
TheGreatMaster12 said:
Why is Darkrai even 2-A? Seems like typical Pokémon's wank, and really? I thought that we weren't merging games with anime or/and manga anymore?
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While the split got accepted, the profiles has not been updated, and won't be for a bit, as we sre still in the process of discussing a consistent scale for the games profiles (we haven't started the anime nor manga)

Darkrai is 2-A because he downscales from the Creation Trio.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
While the split got accepted, the profiles has not been updated, and won't be for a bit, as we sre still in the process of discussing a consistent scale for the games profiles (we haven't started the anime nor manga)

Darkrai is 2-A because he downscales from the Creation Trio.
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Then this is absurd because the majority of reasons of Darkrai scaling to them are stupid, considering that they didn't even acknowledged Darkrai during the majority of the fight, and when they actually did, they just one-shot it with easy
 
Voting Infinity Ultron
He has an AP advantage (Ultron >> Darmammu=Palkia and Dailga >>>>>>Darkrai) and is much smarter.
Once he dodges Dark Void (He should at least dodge it once) he'd probably rush down Darkrai, leaving Darkrai in an awkward state. Darkrai is mostly a ranged attacker, and likely can't compete with Ultron in close range. The infinity stones would cause Darkrai a lot of issue as well.
In summary, Ultrons greater AP and much wider range of abilities would prove too much for Darkrai.
 
I forgot about this match. But yeah, Infinity Ultron has a strong argument in his favor considering that Darkrai's Sleep Manipulation is done throught physical attacks that can be avoided. IU also likes to do planet/galaxy wide AoE, which considering the AP advantage would kill Darkrai on hit.
Vote counted.
 
You guys do realize that Darkrai can just make a portal that Dark Voids Ultron as he attempts to rush Darkrai or tries range spamming him from a distance. His attack isn't just a projectile like it is in the anime.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
You guys do realize that Darkrai can just make a portal that Dark Voids Ultron as he attempts to rush Darkrai or tries range spamming him from a distance. His attack isn't just a projectile like it is in the anime.
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Well yeah, but it's much more likely that Infinity Ultron overpowers Darkrai, since he was blasted away by Dialga and Palkia (It's important to Note: that Darkrai was doubled teamed but Infinity Ultron >>Palkia and Dialga) and IU (Infinity Ultron for short) has Limited Clairvoyance, which should allow IU to predict/dodge any possible Dark Void Portal.
His Clairvoyance even is upgraded after obtaining the Time Stone, making the chance of Darkrai hitting Dark Void even lower.
IU also has the ability to summon an army of Ultron Sentries, further lowering the chance that Darkrai can hit Dark Void.

In summary, Darkrai just can't keep up with Infinity Ultron's AP advantage and vast amount of abilities to really win this fight. Darkrai could hit Dark Void, but in most scenarios UI would already have won the fight or just dodge it.
 
At this point, I will vote for Infinity Ultron too. While Darkrai does have a solid wincon, that is based on him hitting Ultron with his sphere or him staying still while Darkrai opens a portal on him, which is unlikely to happen considering everything that Ultron has on his side.
Also, with this vote we hit grace.
 
Mickey1940 said:
ik this is necro, but why is Infinity Ultron > Dialga and Palkia?
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When the match was created Infinity Ultron scaled above baseline 2-A (Infinite*Infinite), but that was updated to possibly Low 1-C with his current 2-A rating being just baseline, though Ultron now also has deconstruction (Atomic level) with his energy beams
 
RoTt35 said:
When the match was created Infinity Ultron scaled above baseline 2-A (Infinite*Infinite), but that was updated to possibly Low 1-C with his current 2-A rating being just baseline, though Ultron now also has deconstruction (Atomic level) with his energy beams
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why was Ultorn scaled to that in the first place
 
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