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RWBY 8-A Restoration

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This should be a pretty simple thread its basically fixing a mistake from this thread here that misinterpreted a calc therefore wrongfully removed scaling on a calc from the verse which just needs to be restore now. The calc itself is representing that a single case by itself was 8-A. Rusty has said as much (he also literally did the calc) and Chariot agreed to that, this is what the CRT misunderstood. We thought it was representing that the overall explosion was 8-A not that a single case was 8-A, literally just a fundamental misunderstanding of the calc itself so this again as said previous is moreso just a restoration of the previous ratings.

TheRustyOne said:
IDK what happened with it, but I did speak to Chariot about the calculation back in July. He seemed alright with the 8-A scaling to the Queen Lancer.

I feel like there is confusion regarding the calc. People seem to think all of the cases exploding was 8-A, which is wrong. A single case is worth 8-A, I didn't know how to factor in those multiple explosions. The Queen Lancer wouldn't even scale to the full explosive energy of all the cases combined.

But I believed a single case explosion is acceptable, which is the 8-A value I got above.

If there was another issue I'm unaware of it as I've not been keeping track. But it felt like people were still misunderstanding this so I wanted to clear this part up.
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There was also previously some concern whether or not we treat simultaneous explosives packed together in a case the way they are here as a combined overall yield and in a case like this it was determined that this is fine as well.

TDLR: Previous rating was removed from a misunderstanding and is fine to keep
 
Weiss throws out 9 fireballs in total during the fight with the Queen Lancer, and she only has one canister of fire dust and she never reloads during the battle. Assuming Weiss emptied her canister with those nine fireballs, the combined energy of all the fire dust in that canister would equal 6.93 x 9 = 62.37 Tons.

This is from the calc you mentioned. So no. It isn't 8-A.

It's 8-B+

And even then there are a couple of assumptions that sound weird so no.
 
By the looks of it there are 11 of those things

So 62.37 Tons*5 = 311.85

311.85*10 = 3118.5 Tons

3118.5+ 62.37 = 3180.87 Tons

So by this logic it would be small town.
 
one @Sinpokefan please don't spam post you literally have no reason to do that, two
Sinpokefan said:
Weiss throws out 9 fireballs in total during the fight with the Queen Lancer, and she only has one canister of fire dust and she never reloads during the battle. Assuming Weiss emptied her canister with those nine fireballs, the combined energy of all the fire dust in that canister would equal 6.93 x 9 = 62.37 Tons.

This is from the calc you mentioned. So no. It isn't 8-A.

It's 8-B+

And even then there are a couple of assumptions that sound weird so no.
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Sinpokefan said:
As an extra. Weiss doesn't throw one of those canisters. She throws a bunch of packages with each of them having those canisters. (4:43)
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buddy you took that straight from the calc which means one vile of fire dust in total is 62.37 Tons, in just one case there are 4 of those viles of fire dust hence the 62.37 x 4 = 249.48 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block level) rating we get in the calc. that literally is what the calc is doing is the total yield of one of those cases which has 4 viles of fire dust. You too seem to be misunderstanding something or not knowing how this works? idk you're not really saying anything substantial

Sinpokefan said:
By the looks of it there are 11 of those things

So 62.37 Tons*5 = 311.85

311.85*10 = 3118.5 Tons

3118.5+ 62.37 = 3180.87 Tons

So by this logic it would be small town.
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No in the thread it was determined not all of those cases exploded on it at the same time and they were all pretty spaced out so the lancer only scales to one case worth of the dust which contains 4 vials of fire dust which again in 8-A.

please make sure you know what you're talking about before clogging the thread with spam post
 
Spinoirr said:
Or good old power creep
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That doesn't even make sense. Shouldn't her Summons keep the same power difference since she's getting stronger, therefore increasing her aura output to make the Summons stronger than they were already? They clearly are far stronger than the actual enemy defeated to create them considering the real Arma Gigas was Volume 1 Student level and yet the Summon variant casually shit stomped the Queen Lancer which No-Sold all of Weiss' other attacks.
 
The clearest form of 8-A scaling comes from the V9 fight I posted. You could probably just scale that to Atlas arc Team RWBY.
 
8-A Explosion < Queen Lancer < Weiss Volume 5 Summons (Arma Gigas and Queen Lancer) < Hazel Dust Injection (He destroyed an Enhanced Queen Lancer Summon)

Qrow does withstand a hit from Hazel, though it puts him down for awhile, he gets back up and take another strike from Hazel and fights him off screen.

Ren also takes two hits from Hazel, while the second one put him down for awhile, he does get back up and continue to fight.

Ozpin, while in control of Oscar's body, also took a direct strike from Hazel who's trying to kill him. Oscar/Ozpin attacks also staggered him and forced him back.

Hard to tell when fighting Hazel since he has Aura like everyone else and cannot feel pain due to his Semblance.

Nora with Electricity absorbed scales, for her overpowering Hazel clearly. But she also broke down a door Weiss's Arma Gigas could not even scratch in Volume 8.

Blake also knocked Hazel to the ground with her kick, with him grunting from it as well. Though as I said above, it's extremely hard to tell if Hazel is hurt without visuals. The majority of the team fight Dust Hazel, Mercury, and Emerald offscreen for a good while as well.

Lionheart also blocked hits from the boosted Queen Lancer summon with his weapon and harmed it as well. Note that the Queen Lancer actually "screamed" when hit. So while him blocking those attacks might not seem impressive, the visual effects mean little, he does actually damage it.

Qrow can take hits from Lionheart's weapon and even deflect them. And I think we all know how that scaling goes after Qrow?
 
TheRustyOne said:
8-A Explosion < Queen Lancer < Weiss Volume 5 Summons (Arma Gigas and Queen Lancer) < Hazel Dust Injection (He destroyed an Enhanced Queen Lancer Summon)

Qrow does withstand a hit from Hazel, though it puts him down for awhile, he gets back up and take another strike from Hazel and fights him off screen.

Ren also takes two hits from Hazel, while the second one put him down for awhile, he does get back up and continue to fight.

Ozpin, while in control of Oscar's body, also took a direct strike from Hazel who's trying to kill him. Oscar/Ozpin attacks also staggered him and forced him back.

Hard to tell when fighting Hazel since he has Aura like everyone else and cannot feel pain due to his Semblance.

Nora with Electricity absorbed scales, for her overpowering Hazel clearly. But she also broke down a door Weiss's Arma Gigas could not even scratch in Volume 8.

Blake also knocked Hazel to the ground with her kick, with him grunting from it as well. Though as I said above, it's extremely hard to tell if Hazel is hurt without visuals. The majority of the team fight Dust Hazel, Mercury, and Emerald offscreen for a good while as well.

Lionheart also blocked hits from the boosted Queen Lancer summon with his weapon and harmed it as well. Note that the Queen Lancer actually "screamed" when hit. So while him blocking those attacks might not seem impressive, the visual effects mean little, he does actually damage it.

Qrow can take hits from Lionheart's weapon and even deflect them. And I think we all know how that scaling goes after Qrow?
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To be fair Hazel's semblance make it hard to tell if he is actually feeling pain given his semblance numbs pain you know
 
Spinoirr said:
To be fair Hazel's semblance make it hard to tell if he is actually feeling pain given his semblance numbs pain you know
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As you said, it only numbs the pain itself. But it doesn't necessarily increase its durability, so technically it should scale.
 
So we're looking at 8-A via vernal, Volume 7~8 ***** and for sure the volume 9 stuff?
 
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