Beerus Upgrade Part 2

Null · Jan 23, 2023

Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Continued from here

Anyways, let's get this going.

This is actually pretty simple :
in the Dragon Ball Super episode where Arale and Dr. Slump characters appear, Beerus has a feat of erasing Dr. Mashirito.

What's impressive is that this character (Dr. Mashirito) has feats of resisting 5-D Plot level Existence Erasure, here and here

This would mean that Beerus is capable of erasing a being with such a potent resistance. And so, his Hakai would get upgraded to 5-D levels of potency.

A quick counter to an argument that has been brought up before :

If Beerus doesn't have plot erasure then it won't scale to 5-D

This is incorrect. As someone pointed out in the last thread , the potency of the resistance still needs to be bypassed regardless of its fundamentality. Especially since Beerus's Hakai doesn't work on a narrative level.

Abstractness =\= Potency

I believe that's all folks. Remember to keep this conversation civil.

Completely Disagree, How do you can thought that Hax=AP?, That's a Big Mistake, If In Case Beerus Can Bombard Hax 5D scale, he It Should Only Get Capability With Scale 5D Not AP.

TheGodOfICE777 · Jan 23, 2023

Null said:
Completely Disagree, How do you can thought that Hax=AP?, That's a Big Mistake, If In Case Beerus Can Bombard Hax 5D scale, he It Should Only Get Capability With Scale 5D Not AP.

He has erasure on a 5th dimensional level so it’s AP

Amost6x · Jan 23, 2023

Vietthai96 said:
Nah, you can't really backscale hax to ap, you can somehow scale ap to hax due to universal energy system but not the other way around, at least not on this wiki

So if I want to do this Should I start a new thread?

TheGodOfICE777 · Jan 23, 2023

Amost6x said:
So if I want to do this Should I start a new thread?

A thread for what

Amost6x · Jan 23, 2023

godofice said:
A thread for what

upgrade stats Beerus and others to low 1-c

Null · Jan 23, 2023

No, he only gets Hax Capability Scale, They Must Really attack with physical attacks or can penetrate durability if you want to reach AP, Not attacks that ignore durability.

TheGodOfICE777 · Jan 23, 2023

Amost6x said:
upgrade stats Beerus and others to low 1-c

It only scales to Hax/AP (via EE)

TheGodOfICE777 · Jan 23, 2023

You can try but it’ll get rejected no doubt about it

Tarang123 · Jan 23, 2023

Honestly, this should be closed considering that another thread could downgrade them again anyway

Omegabronic · Jan 23, 2023

godofice said:
It only scales to Hax/AP (via EE)

ee is not ap tho

Vietthai96 said:
To be fair here, if EE is 5D in potency, then it is a legit Low 1-C hax, by the logic that since it only erase a guy not the structure thus not AP, then i can say the same who not destroy, affect a structure but just get tier via punching a guy......

But whatever

it is a low 1-C HAX this is why it shouldn't be in the ap section, or else every smurf hax character would have it on their profile, EE is not put in ap unless you affect a structure, if you only affect a character you are bypassing their resistance and not aplying anything that would relate to power/Ap, when you punch a guy you are using power/strength, it is not the same thing as using an ability

Peak · Jan 23, 2023

continuing this discussion is irrelevant, low 1-C has been downgraded

Omegabronic · Jan 23, 2023

Anime_Facts · Jan 23, 2023

I find it really funny that no one cared about Dr Slump's Low 1-C ratings until it affected dragon ball, then in less than an hour they already had a downgrade thread with dozens of supporters

Phsccarvalho · Jan 23, 2023

I think this CRT should be closed.

LuffyRuffy46307 · Jan 23, 2023

Anime_Facts said:
I find it really funny that no one cared about Dr Slump's Low 1-C ratings until it affected dragon ball, then in less than an hour they already had a downgrade thread with dozens of supporters

DB haters, most on topic was all SS and some verses that are extremely soloed by DB

StekFence · Jan 23, 2023

Anime_Facts said:
I find it really funny that no one cared about Dr Slump's Low 1-C ratings until it affected dragon ball, then in less than an hour they already had a downgrade thread with dozens of supporters

I think it’s more that db is vastly more popular, so the rating gets way more attention, making it easier to notice discrepancies

Omegabronic · Jan 23, 2023

Anime_Facts said:
I find it really funny that no one cared about Dr Slump's Low 1-C ratings until it affected dragon ball, then in less than an hour they already had a downgrade thread with dozens of supporters

most people don't care about dr slump in general, dragon ball is more mainstream

Phutharet27 · Jan 23, 2023

Iamunanimousinthat said:
Can you post the thread?

I have a question, can 3D hax attack Goku? DBS or like cm1,cm2 3D because Goku has no resistance to concept Mani, but if it's 3D because Goku existence is 3D.

StekFence · Jan 23, 2023

Yeah it would work fine so long as he doesn’t resist

Phutharet27 · Jan 23, 2023

StekFence said:
Yeah it would work fine so long as he doesn’t resist

concept Mani 3D > Goku?

StekFence · Jan 23, 2023

I guess? But this isn’t really the thread for that

Tarang123 · Jan 24, 2023

Anime_Facts said:
I find it really funny that no one cared about Dr Slump's Low 1-C ratings until it affected dragon ball, then in less than an hour they already had a downgrade thread with dozens of supporters

I mean, they should have been downgraded, but yeah...interesting.

Da3ggman · Jan 24, 2023

Close this, everything this thread uses was rejected, unfortunately.

TheGodOfICE777 · Jan 24, 2023

Da3ggman said:
Close this, everything this thread uses was rejected, unfortunately.

It wasn’t rejected but Arale will be downgraded to 2-B since arale never interacts with the 5D avatars but it was accepted but arale got downgraded but yes close this

Ss3micah · Jan 24, 2023

Yeah dont know why this thread has not been closed since already but will request it's closer now

Antvasima · Jan 25, 2023

Wait a bit. Somebody still needs to clean up the grammar, spelling, and sentence structures of Vietthai96's edits, meaning, Son Goku (Super Dragon Ball Heroes), Zen'ō, Beerus, and the other affected characters, and then tell me when I should lock the most controversial/popular of those pages again.

Vietthai96 · Jan 26, 2023

Antvasima said:
Wait a bit. Somebody still needs to clean up the grammar, spelling, and sentence structures of Vietthai96's edits, meaning, Son Goku (Super Dragon Ball Heroes), Zen'ō, Beerus, and the other affected characters, and then tell me when I should lock the most controversial/popular of those pages again.

Huh??, i thought OwO fixed them??

LuffyRuffy46307 · Jan 26, 2023

godofice said:
It wasn’t rejected but Arale will be downgraded to 2-B since arale never interacts with the 5D avatars but it was accepted but arale got downgraded but yes close this

Since the topic is open, could you talk about the Gods of Destruction with 2-B

Iamunanimousinthat · Jan 26, 2023

Toby020 said:
Since the topic is open, could you talk about the Gods of Destruction with 2-B

They don't scale to any of the plot hax of Sr. Stump characters.

Tarang123 · Jan 26, 2023

Iamunanimousinthat said:
They don't scale to any of the plot hax of Sr. Stump characters.

why not, again?

Iamunanimousinthat · Jan 26, 2023

Tarang123 said:
why not again?

Because they don't have the feats.

LuffyRuffy46307 · Jan 26, 2023

Iamunanimousinthat said:
They don't scale to any of the plot hax of Sr. Stump characters.

Of course it scales, beerus would erase Arale that takes this tier.

Tarang123 · Jan 26, 2023

Iamunanimousinthat said:
Because they don't have the feats.

Don't we still have it so that Beerus' Hakai scales above Arale's toon force and stuff, which probably still scales to this level?

Ss3micah · Jan 26, 2023

Toby020 said:
Since the topic is open, could you talk about the Gods of Destruction with 2-B

The Gods of Destruction have no reason I can see as to why they would scale to 2-B. So No. They don't have feats

Iamunanimousinthat · Jan 26, 2023

Tarang123 said:
Don't we still have it so that Beerus' Hakai scales above Arale's toon force and stuff, which probably still scales to this level?

Toby020 said:
Of course it scales, beerus would erase Arale that takes this tier.

Hax doesn't scale to AP or durability.

Ss3micah · Jan 26, 2023

Toby020 said:
Of course it scales, beerus would erase Arale that takes this tier.

And how does this scale AP or Durability?

LuffyRuffy46307 · Jan 26, 2023

Tarang123 said:
Don't we still have it so that Beerus' Hakai scales above Arale's toon force and stuff, which probably still scales to this level?

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LuffyRuffy46307 · Jan 26, 2023

Ss3micah said:
And how does this scale AP or Durability?

just use the same premise they used to level beerus here

Ss3micah · Jan 26, 2023

Tarang123 said:
Don't we still have it so that Beerus' Hakai scales above Arale's toon force and stuff, which probably still scales to this level?

That would just justify Hakai being a 4-D hax (which it was already beforehand so not really any change)
Im not seeing the reason why Hakai would have a 2-B potency and/or range thou when it specifically lacks feats of both

Tarang123 · Jan 26, 2023

Iamunanimousinthat said:
Hax doesn't scale to AP or durability.

I believe the argument was that his hakai works regardless of her toon force hax, therefore it scales higher than the hax itself, rather than just Arale herself. It's based on that one statement from Goku which was interpreted to argue that Arale's toon force wouldn't work on Beerus and that he'd just destroy her regardless. Assuming this is true, I think it could be a plausible 2B for hax, albeit it does bring up a few concerns regarding the powerscaling

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