Beerus Upgrade Part 2

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Continued from here

Anyways, let's get this going.

This is actually pretty simple :
in the Dragon Ball Super episode where Arale and Dr. Slump characters appear, Beerus has a feat of erasing Dr. Mashirito.



What's impressive is that this character (Dr. Mashirito) has feats of resisting 5-D Plot level Existence Erasure, here and here

This would mean that Beerus is capable of erasing a being with such a potent resistance. And so, his Hakai would get upgraded to 5-D levels of potency.

A quick counter to an argument that has been brought up before :

If Beerus doesn't have plot erasure then it won't scale to 5-D

This is incorrect. As someone pointed out in the last thread , the potency of the resistance still needs to be bypassed regardless of its fundamentality. Especially since Beerus's Hakai doesn't work on a narrative level.

Abstractness =\= Potency

I believe that's all folks. Remember to keep this conversation civil.

 

[Quantu]

I mean, it is clear, since Dr. Mashirito scaling from the events of Dr. Slump on Dragon Ball is accepted.

But my question is what happens to other G.o.D's and Zen'o? Narratively speaking, Beerus' Hakai having a beyond infinite level of superiority over the other Destroyers and the Omni-King is definitely a point of concern.

 

[God900]

Looks good, pretty blatant and straight forward

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Continued from here

Anyways, let's get this going.

This is actually pretty simple :
in the Dragon Ball Super episode where Arale and Dr. Slump characters appear, Beerus has a feat of erasing Dr. Mashirito.



What's impressive is that this character (Dr. Mashirito) has feats of resisting 5-D Plot level Existence Erasure, here and here

This would mean that Beerus is capable of erasing a being with such a potent resistance. And so, his Hakai would get upgraded to 5-D levels of potency.

A quick counter to an argument that has been brought up before :

If Beerus doesn't have plot erasure then it won't scale to 5-D

This is incorrect. As someone pointed out in the last thread , the potency of the resistance still needs to be bypassed regardless of its fundamentality. Especially since Beerus's Hakai doesn't work on a narrative level.

Abstractness =\= Potency

I believe that's all folks. Remember to keep this conversation civil.

anyway i agree, it seems simple enough, but doesn't that scale the Gods of Destruction too? Since it comes directly from the hakai, I think the gods must be scaled too, as well as the people who resisted, Frieza should also have resistance there is 5D erasure and so is Goku

 

[God900]

I mean, it is clear, since Dr. Mashirito scaling from the events of Dr. Slump on Dragon Ball is accepted.

But my question is what happens to other G.o.D's and Zen'o? Narratively speaking, Beerus' Hakai having a beyond infinite level of superiority over the other Destroyers and the Omni-King is definitely a point of concern.

They wouldn't have, becouse they haven't been shown to.

Also, we don't exactly know how powerful GoDs are.

And not all Gods have the same level of strenght, to the point Vermouth can be defeated by Jiren

 

[Quantu]

They wouldn't have, becouse they haven't been shown to.

Also, we don't exactly know how powerful GoDs are.

And not all Gods have the same level of strenght, to the point Vermouth can be defeated by Jiren

That doesn't acocunt for him having an uncountably infinite greater gap in power.

 

[God900]

That doesn't acocunt for him having an uncountably infinite greater gap in power.

Not in power, just that his Hax/EE can work on beings with 5D resistance.

So nothing AP related, just Hax

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

They wouldn't have, becouse they haven't been shown to.

Also, we don't exactly know how powerful GoDs are.

And not all Gods have the same level of strenght, to the point Vermouth can be defeated by Jiren

I will be frank: their hax would likely scale. Zenō definitely scales.

But let's just leave scaling for later

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

You should’ve put a link to this thread from the previous one but it’s ok

 

[God900]

I will be frank: their hax would likely scale. Zenō definitely scales.

But let's just leave scaling for later

Yes

 

[Quantu]

Not in power, just that his Hax/EE can work on beings with 5D resistance.

So nothing AP related, just Hax

Then why is Beerus so scared of Zen'o if he could just 5-D EE him and save his universe at any time?

 

[God900]

You should’ve put a link to this thread from the previous one but it’s ok

He already did

 

[Quantu]

I'm just saying Beerus cannot get this as a one off and expect no one else in DBS to be affected.

 

[God900]

Then why is Beerus so scared of Zen'o if he could just 5-D EE him and save his universe at any time?

Apparently Otta tells me Hakai can be scaled to other Gods.

But he says it's preferable to leave it for another thread

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

But he says it's preferable to leave it for another thread

Rather than making another thread, it should be left out until the argument is accepted.

 

[God900]

More than another thread, it should be left out until the argument is accepted.

Yeah, pretty much

 

[Aachintya31]

If this was proposed in the last thread, it would have been outright rejected

 

[Vietthai96]

That doesn't acocunt for him having an uncountably infinite greater gap in power.

this mean nothing at all, because this is just power scaling term, math term, fiction never went deep into this sort of thing, unless we talking about mathematic verses

 

[God900]

If this was proposed in the last thread, it would have been outright rejected

I mean, they couldn't becouse DR Mashirito's feat is too blatant XD

 

[Quantu]

this mean nothing at all, because this is just power scaling term, math term, fiction never went deep into this sort of thing, unless we talking about mathematic verses

You're focussing on the wrong aspect there. Even at the most basic narrative level, Beerus' Hakai is not greater than the Omni-King's Erase.

 

[Reiner04]

Neutral for now.

 

[Vietthai96]

You're focussing on the wrong aspect there. Even at the most basic narrative level, Beerus' Hakai is not greater than the Omni-King's Erase.

Simply Zeno's EE just > Beerus Hakai potency, uncountable infinite is not mattered here

 

[God900]

Neutral for now.

̶I̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶,̶ ̶O̶P̶'̶s̶ ̶f̶e̶a̶t̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶b̶l̶a̶t̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Simply Zeno's EE just > Beerus Hakai potency, uncountable infinite is not mattered here

I would address this right now

 

[Reiner04]

̶I̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶,̶ ̶O̶P̶'̶s̶ ̶f̶e̶a̶t̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶b̶l̶a̶t̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶

I mean zeno should scale as well from naration. Is there any reason to leave him?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I mean zeno should scale as well from naration. Is there any reason to leave him?

There isn't.

 

[Reiner04]

There isn't.

I can agree for both then.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

i agree + plus it should scales to other GoD and most definitely Zenō

we shouldn’t even be arguing over this.

 

[Deceived3596]

I don't know if it's just me or other people have this problem, but i don't see Existence Erasure nor a resistance towards Existence Erasure in those Imgur scans tbh, could be wrong if the feats were explained more in-depth.

 

[God900]

I don't if it's just me or other people have this problem, but i don't see Existence Erasure nor a resistance towards Existence Erasure in those Imgur scans tbh, could be wrong if the feats were explained more in-depth.

So for context there's a few examples. One where Toriyama ended their narrative & Mashirito ignored it. In another example, the one where its Toriyama is whiting out characters. In that episode he wanted to erase the cast of Dr.slump to make a new series. He couldn't so he had to get Senbei to make a stronger EE device. While Mashirito wasn't shown, in the context of the episode so it should apply to him as well.

 

[Aachintya31]

I only agree if other GoDs and Zeno scale otherwise i disagree.

 

[God900]

I only agree if other GoDs and Zeno scale otherwise i disagree.

Zeno definitely scales, otherwise Beerus could've just erased him

 

[Deceived3596]

So for context there's a few examples. One where Toriyama ended their narrative & Mashirito ignored it

Which scan exactly?

the one where its Toriyama is whiting out characters. In that episode he wanted to erase the cast of Dr.slump to make a new series. He couldn't so he had to get Senbei to make a stronger EE device. While Mashirito wasn't shown, in the context of the episode so it should apply to him as well.

Is it told or implied he "whited" out every single cast member of Dr. Slump, or was that just his motive?, I'm asking because if we don't have concrete or implicit evidence then i don't believe we can claim he was even affected (as in he wasn't even whited out yet) in the first, much less the claim he resisted it.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Zeno definitely scales, otherwise Beerus could've just erased him

and will the people who resisted the hakai also have a resistance of at least 5D?

 

[Reiner04]

Ayo let the thread pass first, who scales to this aside from zeno can be done later on on another thread.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Ayo let the thread pass first, who scales to this aside from zeno can be done later on on another thread.

I concur with this.

 

[Deceived3596]

Though the fact someone who (i'm presuming knowledgeable about Arale and her capabilities, could be wrong) was afraid that Beerus was going to erase her despite the fact she clearly wasn't erased by Toriyama's Plot Manipulation is pretty good evidence for 5-D erasure.

So i'm currently fine with Beerus having 5-D Existence Erasure via Hakai because of that reason.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

I only agree if other GoDs and Zeno scale otherwise i disagree.

I do the opposite, I disagree if the other GoD and Zeno scales to it.

But in seriously speaking, I agree on Beerus but neutral on scaling it to others.

 

[Da3ggman]

Though the fact someone who (i'm presuming knowledgeable about Arale and her capabilities, could be wrong) was afraid that Beerus was going to erase her despite the fact she clearly wasn't erased by Toriyama's Plot Manipulation is pretty good evidence for 5-D erasure.

Yeah, the character who's scared for her is her creator, so he would know her capabilities.

 

[Da3ggman]

I obviously agree

As far as the other Gods and Zeno scaling to it, I'm for it, since the Gods are portrayed as being relatively on par with each other, and Zeno is far more powerful than Beerus.