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I wonder how they will respond to these arguments
I agree with this
It is made very clear in the episode that beerus is above arale, so if it is considered on this page to be a very big power jump, I might agree to leave this as an outlier.
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Big beerus revision
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I agree with this
It is made very clear in the episode that beerus is above arale, so if it is considered on this page to be a very big power jump, I might agree to leave this as an outlier.
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This definitely should be removed as an outlier since Hakai is a UeS. I dislike some of the counter arguments, such as questioning the canonicity and saying the Araleās are different. DB and Dr. Slump share the same setting and Earth and the characters are their same versions. We literally have a note and an imgur album explaining why. I do disagree with the CRT though since itās an outlier. Araleās plot manipulation affects countless low 1-C timelines and is more impressive than Zenoās best feat of erasing the hypertimeline, so it should be rejected as an outlier.
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I don't see how Dragon Ball not being a gag series (actually, it was in the first series, but we can ignore that, yes) would create a contradiction for cross-fiction standards. As I mentioned, it's already stated and shown in Dragon Ball Super that Arale comes from a gag manga and explicitly does absurd things according to their own physics
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''This absurd strength''
''She must be a gag comic character''
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''Common sense doesn't apply to her at all''
''I won't get anywhere with a battle comic fighting style''
I think there might be a misunderstanding on this. I didn't say that you claimed it to be an outlier;I just wanted to point out other people's claims and why I disagree with it.
You know that your offer is more impossible than the first option, right? Because there is not even a single outlier indicator
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What you are saying doesn't change the fact that this is still an outlier.
TheGodOfICE is already stated the reason right above your message.
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Sir? I have already stated my stance on this issue, I have no obligation to respond to the same things.
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It doesn't necessarily make it a contradiction though tbf. It just means any character with 5D stuff wouldn't have the same range as Arale.
Plus outlier just means something different that happened alot. Like the majority of the feats in dbs could be considered outliers. However they are not contradictions.
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Are there any new proposals involved? If not, we should stop arguing because it would deter the evaluation.
@Qawsedf234 @Maverick_Zero_X Should be the staff who disagreed, I think. DDM said he has doubts but didnāt specify his stance; Lephy seems clueless.
We should wait until Elizhaa and LordGriffin comment on this, they are one of the contributors towards Tier 1 DB in the first place.
@Qawsedf234 @Maverick_Zero_X Should be the staff who disagreed, I think. DDM said he has doubts but didnāt specify his stance; Lephy seems clueless.
We should wait until Elizhaa and LordGriffin comment on this, they are one of the contributors towards Tier 1 DB in the first place.
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I remember him saying that he no longer wants to get involved with tier 1 things.
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We should wait for other moderators then.
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No, it doesn't just mean that. We have 5 different ways to decide whether something is an outlier or not.
The first is whether this will create a big jump or a drop in the character's power. In this case, yes. It's going to be a huge jump and it's going to affect part of the verse because of the UeS stuff.
The second one is whether it is unique or exceptional, and in this case, it is exceptional. Because Beerus has never had a 5-D feat like this before.
Thirdly, it is about whether the reason for this is explained, and in this case again, the reason why Beerus has shown/will show something very high compared to its previous feats is not explained.
The fourth one is about whether it breaks the predetermined scaling or not. And in this case, yes, it does. Because Beerus can erase Arale that Toribot cannot erase, so Beerus > Toribot in terms of EE. Which is impossible to claim.
The fifth one is whether it contradicts the previous narrative or not. Which in this case it definitely contradicts because you're claiming that Beerus can erase Arale, which someone like Toribot couldn't erase.
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Even if he doesn't want to be involved with tier 1 stuff, he can still atleast give his thoughts involving the gag physics inconsistency being a contradiction to scaling between the two verse, as that's the current stance on staff for what's going to result in this thread being closed. (Not anything else anyone has said regarding tier 1 stuff being a outliner or not, something regarding tier 1 stuff in Dbz)
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Disagree with thread, agree that the feat is canon and that the verses are connected. It's been made pretty clear by Toriyama that they share the same world-Maps, cameos, crossovers, etc. Under no circumstances can their canoncity be questioned. HOWEVER, it is very CLEARLY an outlier on Beerus' part, and should be noted as such on his profile.
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Lephy disagreed too, so just asked for it to be closed at this point.
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Before closing, I'm waiting for @Ss3micah
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Well, thatās 3 plus 1 staff disagreements.
Sheās at work I presume, Iāll remind her on Discord if she doesnāt comment as of tonight.
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Everything you said that is contradiction isn't necessarily a contradiction. Everyone in Dr. Slump ***** on Toriyama, & they are fictional characters who he made. Just because another fiction character in a cartoon full of asspulls can scale above him in some way doesn't prove contradiction.
& outlier at its intrinsic def just means this. Unless it's proven 100% there's a contradiction. Then calling it an outlier or ways it might be doesn't mean much.
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Yeah, they mentioned earlier they were planning to comment in a few hours
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Outliers
An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forums debates. However, efforts should be made to try to reconcile...
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No, we use this definition when we say it is outlier.
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Which UeS? The statements on that page are about Destruction Energy pertain to Dragon Ball Heroes + and no, there is no disproportionate increase or anything, all we have is 5d e.e and what kind of disproportion or inconsistency is there in this?
Why is it impossible? You know that Toriyama has many avatars (there are even 6D avatars that Arale and others don't interact with), and Beerus's E.E. could achieve such an feat what kind of contradiction is there here?
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"efforts should be made to try to reconcile outliers with other canon information, and only very extreme examples should be classed as completely unusable"Outliers
An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forums debates. However, efforts should be made to try to reconcile...
No, we use this definition when we say it is outlier.
The first part of that page is kind of subjective. But the feat isn't inconsistent in terms of it being contradicted. Many abilities on the dbs profiles were only shown once as well.
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Once but on a similar level in terms of power consistency
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Yall can get it though
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Something being a simular power consistency is subjective though. Like Dragonball characters have destroyed planets way more time than universes. Technically those could be address as outliers. But since the contradiction isn't there it doesn't matter. ~~like 5D hakai Beerus
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You know what Lephyr close it
Close this thread because I only have an hour long break and that time wonāt be nearly long enough to provide the full breakdown for everything here
I never wanted to do this
I really didnāt but now Iām convinced to at least make a CTR for a note applied on Araleās page or at most a discussion rule to be applied.
I and others have addressed this numerous times in the discussion group to not scale DB Canon Characters to Dr. Slump specific feats and structures but evidently people donāt listen
You had that one OP who tried to make Earth of DB 4KM and now this blatant newcomer trying to get 5-D Beerus for god knows what reason
If this does not stop soon then I bet in time weāll see people trying to scale Kid Goku and Red Ribbon army people to Araleās stats or trying to Argue that Kid Goku scales to Araleās Toon Nature and this should have Immortality or maybe scale Kid Buu to Araleās statistics because he blew up the Earth and supposedly Arale along with or are trying to scale DB villains to Araleās stats via Goku statements of āheās the most strongest opponent person ive ever seenā and that would include Arale
The list goes on and on and frankly I wonāt to enjoy my lunch time rather than stressing over this right now
So close this thread and I promise a CTR to either make a note or discussion rule will be in the works soon
Cause clearly we have some people (the OP included) who somehow doesnāt see how scaling Stable and Consistent characters to the Feats performed by Gag characters isnāt Iffy at least and outright WTF at most
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Fair enough, and yeah, I agree with you nothing in Dr. Slump should scale to DB.
But yeh, closing
But yeh, closing
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