Zeno Super Small Addition

[Omegabronic]

Well, Beerus and the Gods fear Zeno, because their hakai does not affect Zeno, he remained in the same place as the Gods of destruction showed their energies of destruction, the scenery turned purple, Zeno was unaffected by the energy of the Gods and was asleep.

that is not true, their auras never left their bodies to the outer arena, hence why said arena wasn't erased, more over, it never reached Zeno's place, at best it made the light go purple somewhat.....but aura's produce light so that is not really an argument for the Hakai to have reached so far

Omega, could you please stop commenting on my stuff, you were blocked from talking, just respect that and don't comment on my stuff anymore.

i mean...........when i disagree with something i should still have the right to express my disagreement......no? you also commented on some of my stuff even with the block

 

[Hasty12345]

Omega, could you please stop commenting on my stuff, you were blocked from talking, just respect that and don't comment on my stuff anymore.

This is a new debate meta

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The energy of the destruction of the gods was shown affecting the entire void, everything filled with purple behind, we see this during the fight of the Gods, arena received some damage in the fight against the gods.

 

[Hasty12345]

So do kais get resistance as well?

The energy of the destruction of the gods was shown affecting the entire void, everything filled with purple behind, we see this during the fight of the Gods, arena received some damage in the fight against the gods.

 

[RenderGK]

The CRT already relies on a few assumptions, but given hakai doesn't work on stronger ki users, Zeno having resistance should be fine.

Other abilities may not have the same weakness.

clearly Goku base >> destroyer god Sidra.

 

[Hasty12345]

clearly Goku base >> destroyer god Sidra.

Yes.

What implies otherwise?

 

[RenderGK]

Yes.

What implies otherwise?

I don't know, what do they mean about Goku at the level of the gods when he is just in divine forms, in the initiation tournament.

clarification is in the "terrain", not superior to the gods.

but he stopped derailing the thread.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

clearly Goku base >> destroyer god Sidra.

What is not true, hakai cannot be bypassed by users with higher ki, Sidra's hakai was a small fraction of her power, Toppo couldn't use his energy of destruction to erase himself if he wasn't disqualified from the tournament of power.

The only way to bypass hakai is to have type 1 randomness or resist it itself.

 

[Hasty12345]

What is not true, hakai cannot be bypassed by users with higher ki, Sidra's hakai was a small fraction of her power, Toppo couldn't use his energy of destruction to erase himself if he wasn't disqualified from the tournament of power.

The only way to bypass hakai is to have type 1 randomness or resist it itself.

So do kais get resistance as well?

 

[Omegabronic]

The energy of the destruction of the gods was shown affecting the entire void

when?

, everything filled with purple behind

which is the light their auras and attacks give off yes.........if the energy of destruction was really covering the entire WoV then the Kais, alongside the entire arena, would have been erased......yet it wasn't, and we know Hakai works on the Arena as seem with Toppo, so........

we see this during the fight of the Gods, arena received some damage in the fight against the gods.

yeah, damage, it wasn't erased, none of their blows erased the arena, which shows that they were holding their Energy of Destruction to themselves, else the arena would have been erased and not damaged, specially if their were affecting the entire WoV with it as you are saying, in that case the entire arena would have been erased completely

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I don't agree with this. He wouldn't be targeting himself with his own erasure.

I’m confused. If the blast is an omnidirectional blast that destroys the whole timeline, how would he not be affecting himself? For example, if someone makes a blast on a planet it’s still gonna be in the area that they attack. Zeno nuking the timeline and still living doesn’t necessarily mean he didn’t get caught in the attack, it just means he can survive his own attack. I don’t follow this logic.

 

[TiltedFN]

Yeah it literally makes no sense to say, "zeno didn't target himself", he was literally ENGULFED in his own erasure and lived. How else are you supposed to interpret something like that? Its not like he just erased everything around him except for like a small area, no, he was in the erasure, so he should get a resistance for tanking it.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

It's really simple. If Zeno is immune to his own erasure he doesn't have to care about being caught in his own erasure. And that's exactly what we see. Ergo Zeno is immune to his level of EE.

 

[RoninSlayer200]

I agree with this thread. Zeno's EE was an all directional attack that erased everything on Trunks' timeline. This certainly means that his EE would affect him, but it didn't and that shows he is resistant to his own EE.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree with this thread. Zeno's EE was an all directional attack that erased everything on Trunks' timeline. This certainly means that his EE would affect him, but it didn't and that shows he is resistant to his own EE.

Thank you little brother, welcome.

 

[DivineAura44]

The "Zeno wasn't being targeted" argument not only doesn't make logical sense, (If Goku shoots a blast at Piccolo and Gohan jumps in the way, Gohan won't be just unaffected because he wasn't the target) it's also completely disproven by everyone getting their asses out of there. No one in the future was a target of the erasure but they got in the time machine because if the erasure hit them, they'd be gone. They even straight up panic when they realize it's gonna be a close call on whether or not they get transported in time or not.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The "Zeno wasn't being targeted" argument not only doesn't make logical sense, (If Goku shoots a blast at Piccolo and Gohan jumps in the way, Gohan won't be just unaffected because he wasn't the target) it's also completely disproven by everyone getting their asses out of there. No one in the future was a target of the erasure but they got in the time machine because if the erasure hit them, they'd be gone. They even straight up panic when they realize it's gonna be a close call on whether or not they get transported in time or not.

Thank you very much for your comment, it helped a lot.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Yeah but the statement, and the scan don't match at all.

What are your thoughts regarding zeno resisting his own ee given by the arguments and proof provided

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I disagree with him being resist to hakai since it's boiling down to, we can't beat him so it's because of resistance, which ignores the fact that he could floor them if he so choose and there just afraid of him. However. I'm perfectly fine with giving him resistance from his own EE wave that covered the timeline he was in. To say he didn't target himself is unfounded when we see he's floating right there.

For example, If a character created a ball of fire or ice in their hand and it blows up immediately and burns or freezes everything around him including the ground underneath his feat but he's unaffected, we'd call that resistance, not that he simply didn't target himself, unless proven otherwise. Characters who caused massive explosions with their attacks and remained inside + survive said blast, we would say they are durable enough to withstand the explosion, not that they didn't target themselves.

This is trying to equate it to something like our Time Manipulation rules (Though I'm not sure when this was an established rule). We don't give resistance to the user of the time stop without proof. For example, Hit doesn't have resistance to his own time based abilities despite being unaffected, however we clearly don't apply this to every ability otherwise a lot of characters need their resistances checked if we're going to start arguing about them not targeting themselves unless proven even from omnidirectional attacks that we see hit them. We're going to end up needed a thread made regarding when it's acceptable for characters to gain resistance from instances like this because it's going to be real sus to use this logic with only Zeno, I think it can apply to other characters with moments like this as well.

So again, for right now, I agree with Zeno getting resistance from surviving his own omnidirectional wave, however if multiple staff disagree then so be it. But I'll like make a thread deciding on this as a standard and how to apply it when I get the chance.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I disagree with him being resist to hakai since it's boiling down to, we can't beat him so it's because of resistance, which ignores the fact that he could floor them if he so choose and there just afraid of him. However. I'm perfectly fine with giving him resistance from his own EE wave that covered the timeline he was in. To say he didn't target himself is unfounded when we see he's floating right there.

For example, If a character created a ball of fire or ice in their hand and it blows up immediately and burns or freezes everything around him including the ground underneath his feat but he's unaffected, we'd call that resistance, not that he simply didn't target himself, unless proven otherwise. Characters who caused massive explosions with their attacks and remained inside + survive said blast, we would say they are durable enough to withstand the explosion, not that they didn't target themselves.

This is trying to equate it to something like our Time Manipulation rules (Though I'm not sure when this was an established rule). We don't give resistance to the user of the time stop without proof. For example, Hit doesn't have resistance to his own time based abilities despite being unaffected, however we clearly don't apply this to every ability otherwise a lot of characters need their resistances checked if we're going to start arguing about them not targeting themselves unless proven even from omnidirectional attacks that we see hit them. We're going to end up needed a thread made regarding when it's acceptable for characters to gain resistance from instances like this because it's going to be real sus to use this logic with only Zeno, I think it can apply to other characters with moments like this as well.

So again, for right now, I agree with Zeno getting resistance from surviving his own omnidirectional wave, however if multiple staff disagree then so be it. But I'll like make a thread deciding on this as a standard and how to apply it when I get the chance.

Thank you very much for your affection

 

[Forthegood]

Bump

 

[denisnic55]

Take it with a grain of salt but I believe Zeno isn't like smart enough to care about himself in that situation. He just wanna make everything disappear knowing he is like a 10 yo kid.
Don't take me into account.

 

[Omegabronic]

Thank you very much for your affection

love is in the air

Take it with a grain of salt but I believe Zeno isn't like smart enough to care about himself in that situation. He just wanna make everything disappear knowing he is like a 10 yo kid.
Don't take me into account.

I know he is dumb.....but self survival is like, instinctive to any living thing

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Bump

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I disagree with him being resist to hakai since it's boiling down to, we can't beat him so it's because of resistance, which ignores the fact that he could floor them if he so choose and there just afraid of him. However. I'm perfectly fine with giving him resistance from his own EE wave that covered the timeline he was in. To say he didn't target himself is unfounded when we see he's floating right there.

For example, If a character created a ball of fire or ice in their hand and it blows up immediately and burns or freezes everything around him including the ground underneath his feat but he's unaffected, we'd call that resistance, not that he simply didn't target himself, unless proven otherwise. Characters who caused massive explosions with their attacks and remained inside + survive said blast, we would say they are durable enough to withstand the explosion, not that they didn't target themselves.

This is trying to equate it to something like our Time Manipulation rules (Though I'm not sure when this was an established rule). We don't give resistance to the user of the time stop without proof. For example, Hit doesn't have resistance to his own time based abilities despite being unaffected, however we clearly don't apply this to every ability otherwise a lot of characters need their resistances checked if we're going to start arguing about them not targeting themselves unless proven even from omnidirectional attacks that we see hit them. We're going to end up needed a thread made regarding when it's acceptable for characters to gain resistance from instances like this because it's going to be real sus to use this logic with only Zeno, I think it can apply to other characters with moments like this as well.

So again, for right now, I agree with Zeno getting resistance from surviving his own omnidirectional wave, however if multiple staff disagree then so be it. But I'll like make a thread deciding on this as a standard and how to apply it when I get the chance.

While admittedly I'm rather neutral overall, I can agree with this sentiment

This now should be able to be applied.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

While admittedly I'm rather neutral overall, I can agree with this sentiment

This now should be able to be applied.

Can you apply for me? Please

 

[AwkguyDB]

Was this applied? If so please close

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

While admittedly I'm rather neutral overall, I can agree with this sentiment

This now should be able to be applied.

Was this applied? If so please close

Well, could you close this?