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Beerus Upgrade Part 2
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Am I the only one who thinks the Low 1-C quote in the characters should be explained a bit more?
There is a source showing Dr. Mashirito being erased, but there isn't one showing Tori trying to erase the cast and failing.
I think for people who haven't seen this CRT, the source of "resist extremely powerful narrative erasure" is going to be hard to find.
There is a source showing Dr. Mashirito being erased, but there isn't one showing Tori trying to erase the cast and failing.
I think for people who haven't seen this CRT, the source of "resist extremely powerful narrative erasure" is going to be hard to find.
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I think it might have something to do with it, since Hakai is being used from his ki, that's why Beerus' Ki should also be 5-D, and other moves derived from his Ki should also be 5-D.
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Characters don't tend to get tier 2 or 1 or 0 with a hax ability afaik unless it effects the entirety of that dimensional structure from what I recall. So just because Beerus can erase a person with 5D resistance, doesn't mean his Hakai gets listed as "Low 1-C with Hakai", it would just be noted in the justification for his EE that it works on those who resist EE on a 5D level. Unless something changed with that standard, I don't see why Beerus and anyone else with Hakai would get a tier 1 rating, not unless it's shown they can erase the entirety of a 5D space
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This needs to be rejected. I found the episode, and OP is not being forthright in representing what was shown and more information needs to be shown. Check out this thread for more information but as it turns for this let me say what I have found:
The episode in question has no sub, so I could only go by description and what was scene. There was no inclination, that when the mangaka was wiping out the comic strip with white out, that he was trying to erase the world, OR that he could erase the world in that way. The rest of the episode shows him finding a character from the world and asking them to build a machine to erase all the other characters.
It should also be known, that the author avatar lives within the same world as the rest of the characters. This is not Low 1-C and that character did not resist any Low 1-C erasure therefore beerus cannot scale to Low 1-C hax.
The episode in question has no sub, so I could only go by description and what was scene. There was no inclination, that when the mangaka was wiping out the comic strip with white out, that he was trying to erase the world, OR that he could erase the world in that way. The rest of the episode shows him finding a character from the world and asking them to build a machine to erase all the other characters.
It should also be known, that the author avatar lives within the same world as the rest of the characters. This is not Low 1-C and that character did not resist any Low 1-C erasure therefore beerus cannot scale to Low 1-C hax.
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This will get discussed in YOUR thread. Don't clog this one. Thanks.
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Make a new thread about it
We’re using stuff that’s already accspted
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They didMake a new thread about it
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OkThey did
Vietthai96
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Just wake up and things broke down lol but anyway
What gods???
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Gods of destruction. Common consensus last I remember was that they won’t scale to beerus’s tier 1 thing
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They do scale
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why is the erasure listed in the ap section? it is not ap, it shouldn't be there
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Destruction and Creation hax can be listed in AP section
But anyway, hold off this thread, let that Arale thread finish before we do anything else
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EE can't, since it isn't any power to begin with, but just hax to erase from existance
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Yes, it can, but for stuff like EE it's typically only if they erase the entirety of a structure of that size. As Beerus would just be erasing 1 person, and not an entire 5D structure, it should not be in AP
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Sematic argument
But anyway, let that Arale thread before we doing anything else
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Think of it like this if a person survived narrative erasure on a 5th dimensional level and got erased by someone else’s EE then that persons EE is 5D minimum
Apeironaxim
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5D in potency of hax, but it would not be listed as AP. We do not give EE a tier in a character's Tier/AP section unless it erases a structure of that size. It is just how the standards are. Beerus's EE would be 5D in potency of what kind of resistances it can effect/bypass, but as he isn't erasing a 5D structure, it would not be in his AP/Tier sections as Low 1-C
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how is it semantic? it is not power but pure hax, he didn't affect any low 1-C structure nor any character with low 1-C durability, just low 1-C hax resistance, so it doesn't have any reason to be in the AP section
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Ik it’s potency of Hax but EE is still considered for ap but if he has 5D EE he can destroy a 5D structure via hax if you hurt someone with 2-C durability you have 2-C Ap if you erase someone who didn’t get erased from a 5D EE and you erase them You have 5D EE you have 5th dimensional EE
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Who tf said it was scaling in AP? Where are yall reading this?
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says who? how does this work?
beerus does not have the range to affect a 5D structure, so this argument does not make much sense
the ap section of the profiles? we know it doesn't scale, that is why it shouldn't be there in the first place
DivineAura44
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Yeah that needs to be taken out. The only character who gets that privilege is potentially Zeno.
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why zeno?
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I meant someone with 5D durability not structure
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Mb for the confusion
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Because his erasure is the justification for his rating. He is obv above Beerus so he could potentially scale in AP.
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his erasure would work regardless of the durability of the target as long as said target has no EE resistance, even before this upgrade that would have worked
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I will take it out tonight, currently away from home
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Higher-Dimensional characters/structures are automatically immune to 3-Dimensional (or lower) hax, as they literally are infinitely more complex than them. The same logically happens to higher-dimensional hax in relation to even higherhigher-dimensional characters/structures. Resistances also apply to higher-dimensional characters/structures, this needs to be hax of their same (or higher) dimensionality, and anything lower is not allowed to be added (due to being both inaccurate and misleading, making others think that the characters/structures can resist hax of their same dimensionality).
Vietthai96
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To be fair here, if EE is 5D in potency, then it is a legit Low 1-C hax, by the logic that since it only erase a guy not the structure thus not AP, then i can say the same who not destroy, affect a structure but just get tier via punching a guy......
But whatever
But whatever
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I feel like you said what I was trying to say but I’m mid at explaining things
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But anyway I think they should get an Ap too, because if his hakai is really 5-D, his ki and any other moves derived from it that aren't Hax should also be 5-D and their Ap's are. Should be 5-D as well
Vietthai96
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Nah, you can't really backscale hax to ap, you can somehow scale ap to hax due to universal energy system but not the other way around, at least not on this wiki
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