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Ugarik

Ugarik

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  • Fireld
    Greetings! I was wondering if you could check these 3 feats:
    1.A character throws a rock hard enough to circle the Moon and knock down another character
    2.Also Squidward extends a measuring tape from the Moon to Earth in a matter of seconds. When he releases it hits sb on Earth. He says that distance is about 2 hundred and 38 thousand miles away
    3.The Moon getting disintigrated
    Ourosboros
    Hey Ugarik, I've been thinking about the Elder Centipede KE Calculation and I think I may have a better way to determine Elder Centipede's KE. So, finding the mass should not be much of an issue, Elder Centipede's length has been accepted as 4466 meters here and we can find the mass by upscaling from an ordinary centipede to account for the 15 meter width and 4446 meter length. Speed has been what's troubling me... we get a few panels where there are shockwaves around Elder Centipede as he moves (when he intercepts Genos's beam and when he charges at king), so it's obvious he's supersonic to some degree- but we also know he's faster than Genos's beams.

    So here's my question, what if we scaled Genos's beam speed to that of a plasma cutter (6096m/s)? Genos's beams are made of plasma so it seemed like the natural point of comparison to me after I thought about it. Let me know if you think that's a good point of reference or if you have a better one.
    Ugarik
    Ugarik
    There is no general speed at which plasma moves
    Ourosboros
    Ourosboros
    I know this. But if that's not useable, how do we find the speed of the beam then? If not a plasma cutter, a rail gun, a gun?
    Naito-desu
    Hey do you mind checking this calc, a boulder cutting feat with a bokken
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    Naito-desu
    Naito-desu
    I already do have a fragmentation calc, I can pull it up for comparison in the post
    Ugarik
    Ugarik
    If he cracked it in half then fragmentation is correct
    Naito-desu
    Naito-desu
    Alright, I'll save fragmentation upgrade for a later CRT since that should be subject to interpretation of Vagabond Supporters.
    Ourosboros
    Ugarik, you've said that melting is an assumption for CSRC. If the attack is scorching, what other method are you proposing? Surely you can't violently fragment or pulverize something by burning it away. Is there a method that would suit it better, assuming Boros would use a different method for CSRC?
    LordTracer
    LordTracer
    Yeah, some input on this would be great. It’s the last thing we need to deal with in the CRT.
    Ourosboros
    Hey Ugarik, my CSRC calc was put on Boros's page despite not having a chosen end and it's been mentioned a couple times in this new CRT. I know you had some questions earlier, questions I gave my best answers to in a comment below your post. I would also state that Qawsed recently discovered that one of the flavor lines about Boros (in the guidebook I believe?) described CSRC as an attack that would "scorch" the surface of the planet, which is explained elsewhere to be the crust. Given the nature of Boros's other attacks, statements like that and mathematical issues with a lowball, I think melting makes the most sense since it would involve destroying the earth's crust via 'scorching'.

    If that's a satisfactory justification, could you please choose an end for the calc? If not, I'll be happy to explain in a little more detail and find the statements in question. Thanks!
    Peter1129
    Hello sorry to bother you Ugarik, but DontTalk gave a recommendation saying that you might be able to calc this statement. The statement here is that Vacuumon a Nebula-like monster who swallowed the Big Dipper constellation in 10 days and parts of Cancer constellation has the ability to compress the Earth into the size of a sugar cube. So I was hoping to see if you could calc compressing the Earth into the size of a sugar cube.
    ZeedKZ
    Hello buddy, could you take a look at this simple calc? It's basically the old King Ghidorah sun absorbing feat, but now using energy per second as someone said to me it would be the most correct thing to use.
    Solacis
    Thanks for taking a look at my calc. I've made the necessary edits, so just in case you don't see the notification on the wiki, could you check it out one last time to see if it can be added?
    Ourosboros
    Hello again. I updated the sky folk calc and responded to your questions about the CSRC recalc. Let me know if the sky folk calc needs any more adjustments before it's useable.

    For CSRC, perhaps I could've explained my methodology later. The calc came about after a long debate about CSRC and the proper method. At first I suggested melting because Boros says he will shave the earth (crust specifically according to Qawsed) and I figured that it would be truer to form to calculate crustal destruction with the right method (Boros's normal method of attacking, which we agreed was melting in that thread).

    Plus I figured it would yield higher results than the planetwide explosion method, which happened to be true.

    But now, I have a few more reasons to support the recalc. Number 1- the ocean problem. It requires about 867 petatons to vaporize the oceans and expose the underlying oceanic crust, which is the majority of the planet's crust. Any attack that does not penetrate the depths of the ocean is not going to destroy the crust in its entirety, it may not even effect a majority of the crust. While 184 petatons might debatably destroy most of the crust without completely destroying the oceans, it seems simpler and surer to use my methods which would involve boiling away nearly all the ocean and devastating the overwhelming majority of the underlying upper crust (low end) or practically all the crust except the lower lithosphere (high end).

    Furthermore, Qawsed also discovered a recent translation that describes CSRC as scorching the crust, which fits melting pretty well. The guidebook describes CSRC as "The roar of despair that scorches the Earth". This is new information btw, Qawsed only discovered it a couple days ago.

    Between the problems 184 petatons might have in actually destroying the entirety of the earth's crust and the descriptors about "shaving the crust" (ask Qawsed for specifics about this one) and "scorching" said crust, with melting being Boros's only known energy attack method- I think it makes sense to A) replace the explosion calc and B) implement the melting calc.
    NotoriouSoda
    Hey sorry to ask but I was wondering if you could help with something Ugarik
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    Ugarik
    Ugarik
    Actually estimating the mass shouldn't be a big problem. Do you know the height of this bot and do you know the hright of that loader
    Ugarik
    Ugarik
    On a second though I'm not sure if this calc even meets our KE spandarts now. This just wheir regular movement, not an attack
    NotoriouSoda
    NotoriouSoda
    Actually 2 things (Sorry I couldn't respond in time irl stuff)

    1. Here is the size of a normal bot(if you scroll down to concept art you can see them next to a average height for a male) and for Saturn here is a good one

    2. The calc has been discussed before and was fine for multiple people, it scales to the durability of the Loader bots not an attack or movement.
    Hagane_no_Saiyajin
    I tried calcing a feat of 'burning down Arlong Park' and I got three results using this calc for Arlong Park: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...lue_Feats#Luffy_levels_Arlong_Park_-_High_8-C

    2062484000*25700 = 5.30058388E13 J - 7-C (flames vaporize Arlong Park)

    2062484000*4358.9475 = 8.99025947559E12 J - Low 7-C (Flames melt Arlong Park, assuming it's granite)

    2062484000*214 = 4.41371576E11 J - 8-A (Flames pulverize Arlong Park)

    Which one is correct?
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    Ugarik
    Ugarik
    In can't melt it if the temperature is below melting point, and it can't vaporize it if the temperature is below boiling point. Aside from that it doesn't effect anything
    Hagane_no_Saiyajin
    Hagane_no_Saiyajin
    Let’s just say that the character can use flames that vaporize steel
    Ugarik
    Ugarik
    If thay can vaporize still they sure can vaporize stone as well. But if might take a real long time
    Dual_Binoculars
    Hi sorry to bother u so late, but could you help me with a question? If a character jumps off the moon and the force of the jump causes a gigantic crater then the person lands on a ship. The ship gets a small crater in it were the person landed, but for the most part the ship is intake. Does the ship's durability scale to the damage that person did on the moon? Or is the force reduced/dispersed before the person lands?
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    Ugarik
    Ugarik
    Well theoreticaly in the real world the damage done to the ship should be grater than the damage done to the Moon.

    Like if we have a fining cannon we can easily say that the kinetic energy of the bullet is bigger than the energy of the shockwave and the combustion after the shot. A gun doesn't get destroyed when it fires a bullet but the bullet can destroy another gun.
    Dual_Binoculars
    Dual_Binoculars
    Thanks for all the info you gave me and if I could ask a huge favor from you. Can you please take a look at this calc of Boros CSRC we have been waiting for months to get it fully evaluated we just need one of the ends to be chosen.
    Dual_Binoculars
    Dual_Binoculars
    I really appreciate that you took a look at the calc, but it seems you're not sure why melting was chosen. All of Boros' energy attacks come from the same source his "internal energy" the data book confirms this and CSRC is all of this energy used at once. His previous energy attacks set the metal of his ship on fire as seen here, here and some of the fires still going on through the fight here. We chose melting based off those panels and based on the anime, but based off your opinion would something like vaporization work better? As for the low and high ends we assumed that he would shave a portion of the crust off based on the translation from the data book “shave the crust”.
    Hello. I hope that you are doing well.

    To further elaborate on your question here - if we were taking Sniper's arrows as reference we would end up with goofy things such as Soldier's rockets barely moving at half the speed as RPG-7s do in real life despite TF2's technological advantage over the real world. Could you maybe comment on that blog again, mentioning if it is now good to go - it has been brought up here that you questioned some things of the speed calc and it would likely be preferable if we could be 100% sure if the calc is fair game.

    Thank you in advance and take all the time you need.
    Ugarik
    Ugarik
    Assuming that soldier's rockets move at 20 m/s seems less silly than assuming 1700 g gravity
    Schwxnz
    i appreciate the input but

    uh what

    look at this

    you mean to tell me that a country this advanced in 1850 utilizes rockets that move at 20 m/s, around 15x slower than rockets from the RPG-7? really?

    also, the gravity thing can just be handwaves as inconsistency or unusable without further proof. trying to use that as evidence for 20 m/s rockets being a thing is completely asinine
    KieranH10
    Hey, sorry to disturb.
    This MonsterVerse calc that you accepted has had a pretty big problem brought up with it. Would you mind commenting again to give you're opinion on the problem? Ant has asked for you to reply.
    1000TonsofFun
    Hello again. I have a question, how much energy would it take to fracture granite/granitic rock? I’m asking for a MUTO Prime calc I’m doing
    Ourosboros
    Hey Ugarik, so- Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon was recalced two months ago as melting instead of a generic explosion based on the discussion had here, as well as a translation by Qawsed: https://vsbattles.com/threads/crsc-...oo-scraping-the-surface-of-the-planet.109725/. Basically, the kanji comes out to mean that the surface/crust of the earth will be shaved/destroyed, and we decided that melting would be the most sensible method give Boros's shown feats.

    Anyways... the math was accepted but no end has been chosen yet. Could you take a look at it here:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ar_Roaring_Cannon:_Melting_the_Earth's_Crust?
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