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Paul_Frank

Paul_Frank

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  • Apex_Predator_GX
    Hi mate. So sorry to bother you, but can you please confirm if my translation of this short Japanese text is correct?

    Dorola

    It has two faces, which can be seen in front and behind, and side to side. He has a saw in his left hand and a suction cup in his right. When he breathes 4D gas from his mouth, the area around him becomes a 4D universe.
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    BreezeHM
    I want to ask a question about some abilities in FGO. Firstly, should composite servants qualify for High-Godly Regeneration and other godly abilties? I noticed that BB and Kiara has it but Meltlilith, Passionlip don't. They are composed of multiple gods so wouldn't they qualify for any of the abilities that a god gets by being a god? The reason why I'm asking is for Ashiya douman who is similar to them.

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    God243
    Can you debunk this PLS? i need this.This is because BB is assimilated with a device that DOES FUNCTION like that so that She can manage time through the perspective of the universe of record,

    not because She Become 4D or anything just that simple.

    again, there is some level of truth behind it in the case of BB, but even then, it is really stretching it as it falls under the difference between the Universe of Awareness and Universe of Observation

    or in simple terms, it is the same as how Merlin is disconnected from our(Human Order's) flow of time with him being in Avalon/Reverse Side, thereby seeing it all from an outside perspective like a picture and 'choose' a present as he is outside it. similarly, BB being from the Far Side, can just choose the points in time from the Near Side/Earth so not really "above dimensions" in the way you make it out to be it is just


    the location circumstances Dimension (T) just refers to the space/domain in which phenomenon like Time-Locks and Parallel Worlds exist within..s exist within..
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    God243
    God243
    What about Avalon? I would like to ask you some questions
    1)how does the Moon cell be 8D but at the same time be inside in a 3D universe
    2) it is said that a ray of Goetia's Ars Almadel Salomonis is equivalent to an excalibur and this site evaluates it from high6C to low6B and 6D to 8D due to the scaling of the moon Cell(but I could be wrong)
    3) have you Discord?
    Paul_Frank
    Paul_Frank
    1. It's not, the mooncell reproduces things copied from the outside, therefore it stands to reason that a wall which can cut through 8 dimensions is something contained outside too. We also already know the universe has higher dimensions in Nasu, given the multiple lines about them, so it was clearly never just 3d. Additionally if something higher d can exist somewhere, it's probably more reasonable to assume that that thing just, has enough dimensions to hold it, rather than being 3d (the universe is 4d at the minimum by almost all irl models btw, not 3d)

    2. Yes, each line of light in the sky has damage equivalent to Excalibur's.

    3. Yes
    God243
    God243
    bro i was having a debate about Ea could you debunk this

    1Nairove
    Hey hi I'm back and I'll have a few questions for you again lol, I hope I'm not boring you

    Why is Immortality type 9 in servant physiology not available? Is it because your servants can't send their avatars when they want because they're tied to the holy grail?

    And the type-moon site says that BB is a divine soul, so does BB need to have a general physiology of divine spirit (HG, Immo8, Aca4)?
    1Nairove
    hi paul, i have a question for you, fate gods have an immo8 reason in general "Gods can only die after all who remember them are gone" would it be enough for a character to have a god body for that?
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    Paul_Frank
    Paul_Frank
    Ah, no I believe it's for actual gods, since it's similar to the whole thing where they're the embodiment of whatever concept(s) they're a god of. Gilgamesh is just a demigod who is 2/3rds god so his body is more godly than mortal, but at the same time he isn't like, an actual god and abstract entity or whatever
    1Nairove
    1Nairove
    i have one more question, in fate grand order babylonia Gil is shown resurrecting after being shot by tiamat (from caster form to archer forum) will this give him low godly regen or immo4?
    Paul_Frank
    Paul_Frank
    He implies it was due to some properties of the underworld, so probably nothing for him specifically
    God243
    Bro What you think about This
    "without the proper context, it doesn't have to mean dimension as in spatial dimensions" they are talking about the 8D barrier
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    Paul_Frank
    Paul_Frank
    My thoughts on it are "okay and?" Earth has numerous explict protections against any sort of reality warping, especially large scale ones, that's the entire issue with trying to reach the root for instance, the planet notices, stops what you're doing, and erases you
    God243
    God243
    Since that you are very good in fate.I wanted to tell you what do you think about that the moon cell contains universes that are big as a solar system? due to the human order it is not that this matters much for the Higher dimensions...
    2) what do you think do ten Crowns EX Gilgamesh has it?
    Paul_Frank
    Paul_Frank
    There's no reason to think a universe is only the solar system, especially when we see that the mooncell has like, Andromeda and stuff

    As for Ten Crowns, yes, Rani says they append the ability to our servant
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    I noticed that Dumas, Prelati, and Berserker Jack AP are still listed as 9-B, i want to edit it but i dunno what justifications that i need write
    God243
    maybe I could bore you. But could you tell me the counter arguments of that post.
    I'm just curious.pls
    Paul_Frank
    Paul_Frank
    Essentially, given that the person who wrote the post outright admits the following
    At least, this is how i interpret it. Now this may seem like purposefully high downplay. Normally, this much evidence should be logically enough to get a character on a higher tier.
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    He himself even admits that its enough, but he disagrees with the higher d because of the following reasons he gives, so you'd expect those to be super hardcore debunks but like

    His arguments for debunking the higher d evidence that he already admits should be enough are "Amaterasu has a numerical value for her power level" "Goetia who rivals Amaterasu (not true btw) can incinerate the planet or destroy it" "Da Vinci says NPs can't planet bust" "The Alien God is third class planetary" and "Avalon is 6d but contained in the earth". None of which are really well, anti feats to disprove the higher d being real

    The Amaterasu one is just beyond meaningless, an author giving a numerical power level so you can compare characters doesn't really mean much, especially given that power level means almost nothing in universe too, its just a big number to show "wow, she's strong".
    The Goetia one is bad because it ignores the fact that AAS was never meant to be used for power, it was because it would let him time travel back to the beginning of the world and literally rewrite it conceptually from the start, something not even true magic or gods can do, because not only is time travel not normally possible, but events are literally locked in place so they can't be changed ordinarily, so somehow using that to disprove higher dimensions is weird.
    The Da Vinci statement is just, ignored by everyone who has ever touched Fate because its not only not referring to power, its also just straight up wrong. She meant that no NP had the ability to get around the defense systems of the planet and destroy it, not that they lack power, this is especially clear since Ea had been hyped up since Zero as being able to destroy the world, and that's to say nothing about Strange Fake or Extra, additionally we see later on in EoR that when there is no counterforce, its remarkably simple to planet bust, and doesn't need higher d stuff, and simply a big enough meteor shot fast enough at the planet.
    The Alien God one is also meaningless because like... what does that mean? We have 0 explanation of what this planetary class system for spirit origins is, and just have been given 3 different values for 3 different people
    The Avalon one just ignores that like maybe, just maybe, fiction doesn't need the planet to just be a 5-B ball of rock, and it can be weird and wacky like in numerous other verses, especially when in Avalon's case, its not really physically in the Earth as we know it, because outside of the actual human realm of understanding, physics isn't the end all be all. Merlin himself says that Avalon technically "shares coordinates" with Britain, but its also just not there, because its a weird higher dimensional space.

    That's the most simple reasons I can give for it being bad, there's more you can go in depth with like the misunderstanding of the multiverse structure he has given other posts, or how Space Ishtar being a galaxy is apparently the biggest power feat in his eyes despite the numerous universal things, or how physically higher d beings in Nasu are in fact, never physically interacted with by anyone who isn't on their level of power, or how he for some reasons links a sufficientvelocity and reddit thread as evidence despite never referencing either etc.
    HammerStrikes219
    Btw, when you replied to the set in stone thing in the Nasuverse’s continuity thread, I accidentally switch up continuity with cosmology as I am forgetting to edit my messages regarding that as I group continuity with cosmology of the Nasuverse’s to say the least.
    Kisaragi_Megumi
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