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Agnaa

Agnaa

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Currently in a nadir of interest. Not reading my profile or notifications. If there's anything important, DM me.
    BestMGQScalerEver
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I know, it's every mathematically possible universe, rather than every logically possible universe. I believe this runs into the same issue. And that both of those also run into the same issue as "every universe people can imagine" or "every piece of fiction ever written".

    In fact, given that modal realism is stronger and further reaching than type 4 multiverses, the latter shouldn't land higher than the former.
    BestMGQScalerEver
    BestMGQScalerEver
    Wouldn't it be atleast High 3-A instead of 3-A typically? If not nigh-typically since 99% of verses have a "concept" of infinity especially with verses that use said idea.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Typically, yeah. I was talking about the zero context case. Infinity existing would bump it up to High 3-A, those universes being separate space-times would bump it up to 2-B (2-A with infinity existing), etc.
    DaMonkeMan
    I don't know if this is required but I heard other people do it before making a Staff Discussion thread so I wanted to ask, may I make a thread based on the rule addressed in this comment?
    It made me think that it should likely be removed, and that type of thing usually goes in a SD thread, thus I'm asking you for permission.
    I want to remove/address a couple other problems as well.
    ByArrow
    hi, i am trying to calculate one bullet catch feat and i am stuck somewhere can you help?

    The character does not start running as soon as the gun fires, but after a short while, he starts running.

    The elapsed time is not given, but during this time, there is a short conversation between the character and his friend.

    feat.

    How long should I assume this elapsed time?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Blech, there's some weird stuff in fiction about time spent talking not counting. It seems like it's meant to in this case, but it's unclear exactly how long.

    I'd do 3 seconds for a high-end (based on me reciting those lines to myself), and "the bullet is just off-screen" as a low-end.
    ImmortalDread
    I apologize. I did not mean that in a serious tone, it was simply a side joke, to change the environment's flow.
    You are not obligated to forgive me or anything. But I never knew, that this has been quickly escalated to the point of blocking someone for that reason, specially given the fact, it is harmless childish joke.
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    ImmortalDread
    ImmortalDread
    Shall we continue as always peaceful to each other and ignoring it completely, or you wish to block me forever?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Chill out. I said I'd block you for a day.

    No need to come trying to contact me publicly to bypass that, or to catastrophize things as if I'm blocking you forever.
    ImmortalDread
    ImmortalDread
    oh ok, I am chilled, but idk, u edited the message, made me worried. Alright, I will stop commenting here and in the Ant message wall.
    MrKerf
    Hey, Agnaa. Sorry to bother, but can you check this RWBY vs SAO vs thread. We are kinda stuck and you're the only staff member on both verses pages, although an opponent on one.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Lol, I'm an opponent on both. I haven't watched either of both to know enough about a match (I haven't actually watched any full RWBY episodes, and I haven't seen any full SAO episodes for about 8 years). I put myself down as an opponent since I dislike both series.
    MrKerf
    MrKerf
    Tbh I am probably an opponent too XD I just feel better about Volumes 1-3 and Aincrad arc, like most of the verses’ fans are, which is what we discussing, so I had to try.
    Thanks anyway.
    James_Plays_4_Games
    I have privately created a sequel to the Precognition update that happened in the following thread, because I thought of a good enhancement that can be made to the page. https://vsbattles.com/threads/analytical-prediction-should-have-its-own-page.151618/. When proposing the revision, should I make it a staff discussion thread or a content revision thread? The original thread was a staff discussion thread, but I'm not a staff member.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Non staff members can make staff discussion threads.

    I don't think it really matters much. You can post it as a content revision thread, and if people think it's getting too cluttered, it could be turned into a staff discussion thread.
    James_Plays_4_Games
    James_Plays_4_Games
    Thanks for your advice. 👍
    Gasper
    Hi, do you plan on updating unsong profiles in the future?
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    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    That doesn't sound like it establishes a different system of cause and effect, but idk the Acausality standards very well.

    I don't remember anything about God existing in Keter. From what I remember, God exists outside of the universe, and pours his Divine Light through the Tree of Life (including Keter), to sustain existence.

    I also don't remember anything about Keter being bigger than infinite timelines. Yetzirah, Briah, and Atziluth are all higher worlds, but they're simply more real/fundamental, not physically larger, and not containing multitudes of timelines.

    Given the similarity of Unsong's ending to an earlier short story of Scott's, Answer to Job, I wouldn't be surprised if God's vast garden of universes was intended to only have a finite number of timelines.
    Gasper
    Gasper
    I asked people if that qualities for Acausality type 5 and one of them said "that's half the requirements for type 5" and another said that does sound like possibly Acausality type 5.

    I meant to say he exists in Atziluth.
    And infinites i was referring to are from set theory mentioned in the verse. Which are accepted on his profile.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    As I said, he seems to exist outside of the universe, with Atziluth being a part of the universe.

    Ah, I thought you said infinite timelines, not infinite infinities.
    Stryker861
    Sup Agnaa, in the incredibly likely chance that no other CGM gets to this first could you add this to your eval list?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Aight; I've chucked it in.
    Stryker861
    Stryker861
    yo congrats on becoming an admin, well deserved
    PowerToScale
    What did the blue name say to the CGM..? can you please evaluate these calcs.

    If you have time could I get get your evaluate on these calcs. Thank you in advance.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I like the cut of your jib, kid.

    I currently have 11 calcs in my "to-evaluate" backlog, I've added these to the list, and will get to them eventually.
    PowerToScale
    PowerToScale
    No worries
    Expectro2000xxx
    Since you have evaluated recent Tokyo Revengers calcs I want to consult you about this recently approved calc, specifically the KE part as it give a result of 11.26 Megajoules despite the complete lack of damage to the impacted superficie (neither the manga nor the anime show any destruction at all to begin with), so I believe it isn't a valid result that could be used considering the wiki policies about KE and visuals (which I detailed in length in the comments).
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    Expectro2000xxx
    Expectro2000xxx
    I already mentioned it to @DMUA and he responded:
    Granted the KE rules also more talk about how a destruction calculation takes priority over a KE one if they contradict one another, and I don't care that much about disputing if this counts or not since it's very much the peak of the verse as far as I can tell
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    Which come from this section of the Kinetic Energy page:
    • There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
      • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.
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    Problem be, in this case there is literally zero destruction so even if wanted it isn't possible to make a destruction calculation.

    The argument used by the creater of the calc to justificate the lack of visual damage is this:
    Mikey lifts Taiju by the head and slams it to the ground with his kick. That's a localized damage area the size of Taiju's head; you can't expect anything more than ground fractures hidden by the rug underneath his head this is not an explosion.
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    No craters considering this isn't an explosion, also you can't expect the mangaka to draw fractures on the ground under a red carpet. He has drawn cracks for weaker characters in their younger days, so there is a reason why there won't be cracks on a carpet. The AOE fallacy does apply, especially when you are comparing a head to the size of a damn elephant. Yes that's 11.26 Megajoules on a couple of centimeters. The best that can be done given the circumstances is a massive bang.
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    Which seems ridiculously because as I showed the calculated energy is x90 times the energy of an elephant tackle and x4 times the absolute high end of a cannonball, so the damage caused should be quite noticeable instead of have zero visual representation.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Yeah that's silly.

    Sounds like DMUA sees an argument, but doesn't care about fighting the supporters over it, or smth.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Okay, I've left a message rejecting it.
    HammerStrikes219
    https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-5861404

    I just wake up too damn early, but here are my thoughts regarding topic bans should extend to sandboxes or blog posts.

    They should when they are complete and utter warranted.

    Also whatever it should been by default or not, I will think it typically varied as not all of us will use the sandboxs or you know actually know how to use it. Still that is not the case most of the time. Blog Posts are the other hand, if they still doing it in the verse they are topic banned from, then it completely still fairplay to assume the topic ban is in effect for that stuff.


    Regardless though, I also do think it is absolutely warranted in the case we have for Vapor over here.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Okay, I don't think that should be posted in the RVT though.
    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    Yeah, hence why I posted on your message wall given my non staff status (well obviously).

    Just want to formulate a opinion on the matter
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    Testarossa002
    Hi Agnaa

    I want to pick your brain on something calc related for a verse I'm working on

    There's this particular feat where "hundreds of miles around were turned to dust"
    But since it's a novel aka no visuals, I can't get anything regarding craters

    How do you suggest I should proceed?
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    Testarossa002
    Testarossa002
    Ohh I get

    It's omnidirectional

    Given that the radius is at least 200 miles, what do you think the crater should be?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I said the radius would be 100 miles, I'd assume that the crater would be a hemisphere with a radius of 100 miles.
    Testarossa002
    Testarossa002
    Alright

    Thanks
    Arnoldstone18
    Hey hey,

    i have a CGT that was made for me discussing which calc should be used. It’s about a meteor’s KE and each calc uses a different speed. My calc used a calculated initial speed and then got the final speed of the meteor as it accelerates due to gravity. Clover’s calc on the other hand only uses ablation speed of 3km/s. Also to find the mass I proposed a higher height the meteor descended with logical reasoning against an assumed mesosphere height of 85 km. This height affects the size and then the mass of the meteor.

    So may I have your input to discuss which calc is more reliable and the adjustments that could be made!
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I currently have 9 calcs in my "to-evaluate" backlog, I've added this to the list, and will get to it eventually.
    Arnoldstone18
    Arnoldstone18
    Nine!! Wow but thank you!
    speedster352
    Hi if you have time could you evaluate this?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I currently have 8 calcs in my "to-evaluate" backlog, I've added this to the list, and will get to it eventually.
    Expectro2000xxx
    Hello, I know you have various more things to do, but if possible would like for your input in any of these two calcs when you eventually have time. There is no particular rush for them as the revisions I plan for both verses still have various weeks/months left.
    HammerStrikes219
    Post in thread 'Rule Violation Reports (New forum)'
    https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-5857371

    I point out the irony in on them legitimately making this seems to being a unnecessary major issue. We literally let ppl edit pages and do some corrections when necessary.

    Yet somehow this doesn’t somehow counts as being a collaboration as well as being on the public domain. How many ppl have forgotten we are on the Public domain for a long time now?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Yeah, I'm about to make a post mentioning that.
    TheShape03
    Hello, could you evaluate this little CRT please? Since you get almost no support, I guess a staff member's approval would be enough to apply the changes, thanks.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I currently have 11 threads in my "to-evaluate" backlog, I've added this to the list, and will get to it eventually.
    Tanin_iver
    I would like your permission to comment on this Staff thread.
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    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Sorry, gotten sick so I'm spending a bit less time on the wiki.

    No offence, but I don't think your post actually brings up new points. It seems to just be agreeing with other people (mainly DT), with the one point of dissent being combinations of things other users have presented (Ultima's acceptance of vague "beyond the concept of dimensions" statements, my interpretation of qualifying statements as being 1-A).

    It also adds a suggestion to close the thread, which ig is new, but I don't think there'd be much productive done by saying it. You'll say that, then Ant or I (or both of us) will say "Lets wait to see what DT thinks just in case".

    If you think I'm missing stuff, feel free to ask other staff for permission (although it'd probably be best to link my reasons for not giving permission), or just send it to staff members whose minds you want to change on those topics in general, such as DT and Ultima. Simply to inform them, in lieu of posting it in the thread.
    Tanin_iver
    Tanin_iver
    Sorry, gotten sick so I'm spending a bit less time on the wiki
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    Ohh, well then take it slow. I wish u a speedy recovery.
    No offence, but I don't think your post actually brings up new points. It seems to just be agreeing with other people (mainly DT), with the one point of dissent being combinations of things other users have presented (Ultima's acceptance of vague "beyond the concept of dimensions" statements, my interpretation of qualifying statements as being 1-A).
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    Offence taken.
    I should have formulated it better. The post wasn't about bringing up new points, it was to directly answer the OP's queries. The OP had the wrong impression about two things, one being the creation of the new sub-tier Low 1-A would somehow change the ratings of the verses that are currently rated 1-A.
    But they won't be affected because as discussed in the Tiering System revision discussions (you can check the link, it is intended for reference and to show where it was discussed and accepted) they are defaulted to 1-A because of the assumption that they transcend real coordinate space due to scaling through some in-verse explanation. I only meant to show him what the standards are and why is it accepted.
    I also gave my own interpretations of the scenarios he stated and explained why I believe scenario 5 is the only one that may scale to 1-A while the others don't have enough context.
    The other thing he misunderstood was DT's explanations and comments regarding the need to transcend an infinite hierarchy to achieve Low 1-A or 1-A, which isn't the case as u corrected him yourself.

    It also adds a suggestion to close the thread, which ig is new, but I don't think there'd be much productive done by saying it. You'll say that, then Ant or I (or both of us) will say "Lets wait to see what DT thinks just in case".
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    DT and Ultima are essentially discussing about changing standards and justifications for rating characters that are above notions of sizes and hierarchies in different ways. That is completely unrelated to what the OP is, which is to downgrade all the current 1-A verses to Low 1-A due to the OP's misunderstandings as I explained above. I feel I have sufficiently answered the OP's queries with the already accepted standards rather than waiting for Ultima and DT to make up new standards.

    For discussion of new standards preferably a new thread should be made with the OP discussing each person's qualms about the standards. So, I believe concluding and closing the current thread, whose original questions have already been answered and its purpose fulfilled is for the better, although we can still wait for a response from DT, since it is merely a suggestion for closure.

    If you think I'm missing stuff, feel free to ask other staff for permission (although it'd probably be best to link my reasons for not giving permission), or just send it to staff members whose minds you want to change on those topics in general, such as DT and Ultima. Simply to inform them, in lieu of posting it in the thread.
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    Yeah, I feel you should take your time and recover. I will ask other Staff if possible.
    I don't really think pinging either DT or Ultima is worth it now. Since, they are way too busy with other stuff and would take a long time to respond.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Yeah it's just we don't tend to allow non-staff posts in threads if they're not bringing up something new. If you think you can bring up a similar point in a way that's more likely to convince the OP, you can send it to them directly.

    The current thread has already gotten 98% of the way to implementing the new standards, so I think finishing it there is the best idea.
    Zefra3011
    Hi Agnaa, sorry for bothering you with this, I was wondering if you checked Tokyo Revengers calcs and what are your thoughts about them / the one you checked for now.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Haven't checked many, don't seem too good so far, but I've been too strapped for time recently (and will still be in the immediate future) to check 20 of them.
    Zefra3011
    Zefra3011
    I see, of course you can take all the time you need,
    Thanks for replying.
    Rikimarox2
    Ello! Been reading the anos thread and it kinda made me question some things about a verse I'm indexing, so I just gotta ask some simple questions if you don't mind:

    If a character applies the very concept of death, causing them to instantly die, and another character resists it, I assume we just list it as "Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation and Death Manipulation", and only assume he resists conceptual death manip, nothing else, right?

    Another thing is that I'm confused about, is if having normal resistance to death manip is enough to resist the conceptual part of the character above.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    If a character applies the very concept of death, causing them to instantly die, and another character resists it, I assume we just list it as "Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation and Death Manipulation"

    I'm not exactly sure what our general standard on writing it for profiles is. Either that or just listing "Resistance to Death Manipulation" may be fine.

    and only assume he resists conceptual death manip, nothing else, right?

    Ye.

    Another thing is that I'm confused about, is if having normal resistance to death manip is enough to resist the conceptual part of the character above.

    If it's resistance to death manip that is, for some reason, established to be general to all ways of applying it, yeah.

    Like, I know a series where vampires can regenerate from "death" being instantiated on them, and I'd expect that to work on concept-based death manip.

    ...Although that specific case would depend on the type of concept manip. Since type 1 is unaffected by the physical world, we wouldn't expect physical changes like "regenerated from it" to reflect the concept, and so it'd automatically apply again, probably incapping them.
    Rikimarox2
    Rikimarox2
    Aha alright, so it's kind of what I expected. It seems I'm gonna need to edit the justification a bit for the profile to emphasize that it's only death manip that the character resisted.

    Thank you for the response!
    EldemadeDityjon
    Hey Can I get the permission to comment in MGK staff thread. I had something to say.
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    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    That seems contradictory; you're both saying they shouldn't have been able to move, and that it doesn't impede movement.
    EldemadeDityjon
    EldemadeDityjon
    They shouldn't be able to move not in the sense of their body being paralyzed but in the sense of being restrained or a better description is being locked in place, not being free .
    As described, it's the concept and law of restraint and stagnation. When it was used on lightning being conducted through chains, the lightning stopped in place unnaturally and not as a result of manipulating the lightning. It's a river suddenly stops flowing while still being there.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    That still seems like it can be explained in other ways, i.e. Body Control, Electricity Manip, Water Manip.

    Note that Electricity Manip does not need to be granted by literally manipulating lightning; it's given for most feats involving doing stuff with lightning.
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