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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

PromptedElephant641 said:
Superman barely has legitimate regular 3d multiversal feats. His current rating is already quite generous. Attempting to try to scale him to 1A or above is literal insanity. He has NO possible way of reaching 1A power anyway. He is not like The Flash or other such beings who have 1A or above power sources. He is powered by sunlight.

In conclusion solar panels are 1A, Superman is a solar panel, humans can break solar panels. Therefore humans are above Superman and other Kryptonians.
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That masterpiece multiverse is shown to have 1-A realms?
And not every kryptonian will scale to this. It was extreme situation, sure. But it was destruction feat.
 
AyOgUyS said:
Franky. I’m confused on what you’re trying to argue. We have a whole note explaining why Superman’s level of power he displayed against the World Forger is a special circumstance. If you believe Superman has a canonical legitimate metaphysical connection to the very plot, why aren’t you using that as justification?
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Im not focusing about he punch world forger. But destruction feat.
 
Please stop spamming about the same topic in any case. 🙏
 
Franky. Superman was amped by a bunch of 6th Dimension Suns when he destroyed the World Forger's multiverse. That's not a level of power he can normally replicate. If you really want to argue 1-A Superman, instead of bringing up the same topic that's been thoroughly discussed, why not use your own accepted previous threads as evidence? You believe Superman has some kind of metaphysical connection to the very narrative of DC itself or something like that, no? Why are you not using that to justify Superman having a 1-A source?
 
AyOgUyS said:
Franky. Superman was amped by a bunch of 6th Dimension Suns when he destroyed the World Forger's multiverse. That's not a level of power he can normally replicate. If you really want to argue 1-A Superman, instead of bringing up the same topic that's been thoroughly discussed, why not use your own accepted previous threads as evidence? You believe Superman has some kind of metaphysical connection to the very narrative of DC itself or something like that, no? Why are you not using that to justify Superman having a 1-A source?
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Okay, i just thought destruction feat is absolute unlike chainscalling that can be outlier.
 
Frankky123 said:
Okay, i just thought destruction feat is absolute unlike chainscalling that can be outlier.
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Superman when he one shot the World Forger and cracked the Sixth Dimension was 1-A or 1-A+ or wherever that scales. However he did not retain that power nor is he able to tap into that power again. It's not about the feat being an outlier, its about the feat not being scalable to normal base Superman.
 
Damn bruh, what is happening?😭

-"Superman barely Multi" In the big 2026?🥀
-"Superman 1A" 🗿

This is truly our DC comics of all time🙏🙏🙏
 
Look, I love Superman when he is written properly, but he just hasn't been depicted as that powerful on his own. 🙏
 
Both of the wank and downplay presented have already been discussed on other threads

https://vsbattles.com/threads/superman-rebirth-2-a-removal.131771/ 16 pages 😭🙏🙏

Let's not do this again

Let's also not try and do some goofy ahh thing on barely scaling superman to "3D multiverse"

Idk what this even means, superman barely scales to infinite 3D spaces?🤨🗿

Scaling him below Goku is diabolical 🥀

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DC Comics - The Legendary DC Heralds Upgrade

How else to start the new year then unleashing hell itself? Any derailing will be deleted. You have been warned. Massive thanks to @Ehnkr2beboh, @LordTracer, @Amelia_Lonelyheart, @Confluctor and Highfather, Royals, and Era from Discord. I should note this only affects Post-Crisis and Rebirth...
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Anyway, To change topics

I realized that this thread
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DC Pre Crisis Cosmology

INTRODUCTION This CRT will attempt to be as comprehensive and direct as possible regarding the DC Universe in its old phase, seeking to go through the entire cosmology already well defined as the "pre-crisis", and then present the levels in an updated form. Much has been said recently about the...
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Is kinda getting active again

Problem that I have is that, let's say hypothetically this passes somehow

What would even pass?

Op of the post didn't suggest/mentioned tiers and it doesn't seem like he's gonna come back in a while

Is this thread now just OUR thing? We are taking care of it now? And we suggest tiers?
 
Rgerdeena said:
What about cc goku
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I have no idea cuz I'm not even surface level deep in those versions of db scaling

But taking from this wiki

Even if you equalize stats, I think those gokus outhaxes although I think some of the haxes are getting debunked because of obv reasons

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Time Power is not plot manipulation (DB games)

Just a quick one, removing something that is completely baseless and only used to argue DB has plot manipulation... Page - Time Power Verse - DB (Games) Removing this entire section from Time Power abilities and powers section. Time Power can affect beings like Arale, Gatchan who resist...
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Hecky2222 said:
it was 6D suns Loooool what else it can be?
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where was that even said???? did the 6D speed force also made flash nuke the entire city with his speed alone? did the 6D emotional spectrum made GL create unbreakable 6D constructs too? 6D belief and fate for wonder woman? @prompted already covered this
PromptedElephant641 said:
As I stated in one of my previous comments:

To put it in quantitative terms as is otherwise not possible due to the qualitative differences:

Say the normal universe has a tier value of X
Say Superman has a tier value of X * 100 which we will state is equal to multiverse level+ (2A)

When translated into the Sixth Dimension:
A Sixth Dimensional Universe now has a tier value of say γX
Superman now has a tier value of γX * 100

Superman has been scaled up in power in the Sixth Dimension; however, everything else is also scaled up as well. The difference between Superman and the universe he inhabits remains the same in the Sixth Dimension as it does in the regular universe. He has not gained any relative power. In this quantitative example the multiple of 100 remains the same in bother layers of reality so there is no difference. If you were scaled up to be a geometrically 5D being, but everything in the universe was also scaled up with you, then from your perspective nothing has changed at all.

This means that if we do concede that Superman destroyed the World Forger's multiverse in the Sixth Dimension, it is still only a 2A feat. Regardless, this does not matter as Superman already has 2A feats so this would change nothing just being more supporting evidence. The problem with putting this on his page, as previously stated, is it will cause too much confusion.
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TheBestBoi said:
where was that even said???? did the 6D speed force also made flash nuke the entire city with his speed alone? did the 6D emotional spectrum made GL create unbreakable 6D constructs too? 6D belief and fate for wonder woman? @prompted already covered this
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That multiverse isn't just orerry, but the map multiverse. Gven it has its own sphere of god(apokolips) and that multiverse was meant to replace the monitor sphere, since wf's goal here is to avoid the entire multiverse from source's judgement who is beyond the map of multiverse itself.

Im just saying how big is the multiverse that destroyed by Superman. Nothing else
 
DC Comics has overtaken Marvel Comics in marketshare.

I think that it is well-deserved, given Marvel's extreme focus on morbid and amoral darkness and horrible treatment of its artists. 🙏

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Comic Book Publisher Marketshare Chart For June 2026

The Comic Book Publisher Marketshare Chart For June 2026... as well as the first week of July
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"Absolute Linda"? 🙏
 
Stop sarcassing me gng😭

World Forger make a plan to erase Superman's existence and lock away his essence forever. But that could never happen. Like us from the very first time reading any story saying "Superman will die forever" such as the World Forger's plan, we already know it won't happen, even though we don't know the future or how it ends because we're not writer obviously. This self perpetuating idea in real life's human especially readers creates a Superman's story to continue across decade or Morrison called it indestructible.
 
Frankky123 said:
Stop sarcassing me gng😭

World Forger make a plan to erase Superman's existence and lock away his essence forever. But that could never happen. Like us from the very first time reading any story saying "Superman will die forever" such as the World Forger's plan, we already know it won't happen, even though we don't know the future or how it ends because we're not writer obviously. This self perpetuating idea in real life's human especially readers creates a Superman's story to continue across decade or Morrison called it indestructible.
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You already made thread about this and got this on haxs

I don't see the need/motive to argue this again
 
AyOgUyS said:
Franky. Superman was amped by a bunch of 6th Dimension Suns when he destroyed the World Forger's multiverse. That's not a level of power he can normally replicate. If you really want to argue 1-A Superman, instead of bringing up the same topic that's been thoroughly discussed, why not use your own accepted previous threads as evidence? You believe Superman has some kind of metaphysical connection to the very narrative of DC itself or something like that, no? Why are you not using that to justify Superman having a 1-A source?
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That's a good point, I reckon if Superman would ever get a 1-A key in this site it'd be from the story of superman being a fundamental integral idea to the DC universe. Dr. Manhattan elaborates on this idea a bit and how this force unfathomably makes Superman stronger to face whatever threat he faces, I'd have to recheck Doomsday Clock though since it's been a long while since I read it. But yeah, to get Superman into 1-A you'd have to jump into the metaphysical aspects of his character that are acknowledged within the comics themselves.
 
Tarcaver said:
That's a good point, I reckon if Superman would ever get a 1-A key in this site it'd be from the story of superman being a fundamental integral idea to the DC universe. Dr. Manhattan elaborates on this idea a bit and how this force unfathomably makes Superman stronger to face whatever threat he faces, I'd have to recheck Doomsday Clock though since it's been a long while since I read it. But yeah, to get Superman into 1-A you'd have to jump into the metaphysical aspects of his character that are acknowledged within the comics themselves.
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That's the best way I feel
 
Oh I just checked the discussion in the previous pages and yeah SBP's feat against TDK is 100% valid. I argued this months ago and the argumentation on it not counting as a feat has to be the most god awful reasoning in this wiki by far. There is zero and I repeat, ZERO, evidence that TDK was holding back against Prime. The fight itself both provided us statements and on-page feats that show Prime should scale. If your only avenue of evidence is that "Oh TDK is a trickster who lies all the time" then I'm sorry but that is not evidence, that is just your personal headcanon being enforced into the wiki.
 
What is "Absolute Linda"? 🙏
 
Tarcaver said:
That's a good point, I reckon if Superman would ever get a 1-A key in this site it'd be from the story of superman being a fundamental integral idea to the DC universe. Dr. Manhattan elaborates on this idea a bit and how this force unfathomably makes Superman stronger to face whatever threat he faces, I'd have to recheck Doomsday Clock though since it's been a long while since I read it. But yeah, to get Superman into 1-A you'd have to jump into the metaphysical aspects of his character that are acknowledged within the comics themselves.
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Fair enough. I really can’t think of any other possible way Supes can get 1-A (I’m not really arguing for any specific tier for Supes just spitballing ideas)
 
Okay. Thank you for the information. 🙏
 
I'm curious, has anyone done a CRT on Milk Wars? It's an intriguing event that mentions a metaphysical realm called final heaven, and I noticed that place isn't mentioned in the current DC cosmology page. In my quick research to the metaphysical aspects of Superman I learned some fascinating details that might help anyone who wishes to make a future CRT on the Story of Superman.

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Tarcaver said:
I'm curious, has anyone done a CRT on Milk Wars?
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they did
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So Let's Talk About Milk Wars

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it got deleted cus it's mostly a non-serious crossover
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Tier upgrade for The eonymous

I have already elaborated on this, actually. According to Gerard Way, Milk Wars is not strictly tied to the mainstream DCU and pretty much amounts to an Elseworld storyline, so I feel like it'd be a bad idea to scale anyone from the Eonymous. This is not stated anywhere, this event is very much...
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TheBestBoi said:
they did
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So Let's Talk About Milk Wars

About time someone made a discussion thread about that This thread contains links to ****************, so I suggest you make sure to use an AdBlock or Antivirus Program when clicking on them. Those kinds of sites tend to be really spoopy. Introductio So, to give you all a brief primer about...
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it got deleted cus it's mostly a non-serious crossover
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Tier upgrade for The eonymous

I have already elaborated on this, actually. According to Gerard Way, Milk Wars is not strictly tied to the mainstream DCU and pretty much amounts to an Elseworld storyline, so I feel like it'd be a bad idea to scale anyone from the Eonymous. This is not stated anywhere, this event is very much...
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Might be worth tackling again since these CRTs are extremely old and barely discuss it with just two pages.
 
Tarcaver said:
I'm curious, has anyone done a CRT on Milk Wars? It's an intriguing event that mentions a metaphysical realm called final heaven, and I noticed that place isn't mentioned in the current DC cosmology page. In my quick research to the metaphysical aspects of Superman I learned some fascinating details that might help anyone who wishes to make a future CRT on the Story of Superman.

18CTHj2.png
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Final heaven is merely the domain of Ahl The God of Heroes and the unexplored pantheon that he comes from in the same way that Apokolips is the domain of Darkseid or New Genesis for Highfather. There is lots of stuff that people used to wank to the nth degree from Milkwars when it came out such as Milkman Superman which is literally just a regular version of Superman but with a very weird origin story. People used to state that he was beyond fiction and beyond the though robot and the most powerful version of Superman ever when the guy has no feats whatsoever. It baffles me to this day why people were hyping him up when, as stated, the dude accomplished and does absolutely nothing of significance.
 
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